The only accurate thing in the article is that the ACC GoR has severely restricted the list of possible B12 expansion candidates IF the B12 considered expansion.

What it did not discuss is that it has been said many times in the media, citing conference sources, that the conference is happy at 10 teams, and no longer feels a need to expand.

The media has also reported that nobody from the Group of 5 moves the needle enough to make it worthwhile, to the B12, especially since the B12 has no conference network, and no plans to develop one.

(05-07-2013 06:57 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:53 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Pretty sure they have a plithera of Texas schools. Get cozy here cougars.

No way man, just like EVERYBODY else, we are looking for the first ticket out, to a P5 conference

You should be happy UH is even in a half decent league right now.

(05-07-2013 10:19 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:57 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:53 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Pretty sure they have a plithera of Texas schools. Get cozy here cougars.

No way man, just like EVERYBODY else, we are looking for the first ticket out, to a P5 conference

You should be happy UH is even in a half decent league right now.

I'm thankful that UH is on a platform of decent opportunity in the American, but to say that we should be happy would be foolish. If Louisville had just been 'happy' the past 10 years, they wouldn't have that football stadium, Coach Charlie Strong, Rick Pitino, YUM center, etc. Meaning, no ACC. Ask any Louisville fan what they would be 'happier' with, the American, or the ACC. Don't bother, we all the answer to that. My point is, that while UH has nothing but respect for our new league and all of the schools that are a part of it, being happy gets you left holding the bag. Trust me, we know. We're not building a new football stadium, renovating a basketball arena just so that we can go out and make $20 million less than our instate neighbors. They have more, we want more. Don't think there's anything wrong with that, as long as you respectfully go about your business. UH has done nothing but that from the time we annouced leaving CUSA until now.

(05-07-2013 06:26 PM)Cougar King Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:15 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:   EXACTLY The lack of reading comprehension on this board by some people is frustrating... This article is 100% pure speculation by someone who has no damn clue what the hell is going on in the Big 12 offices. Basically this is an article pointing out that if the Big 12 wanted to expand their options these days are mostly limited to AAC schools.

You're just saying that because nobody's talking about ECU.

Actually, he's saying it because it's true: Your thread title was misleading, because the article did not say the Big 12 was looking at certain schools for expansion, it said that IF the B12 wants to expand, these are the schools it would look at.

(05-07-2013 11:13 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 10:19 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:57 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:53 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Pretty sure they have a plithera of Texas schools. Get cozy here cougars.

No way man, just like EVERYBODY else, we are looking for the first ticket out, to a P5 conference

You should be happy UH is even in a half decent league right now.

I'm thankful that UH is on a platform of decent opportunity in the American, but to say that we should be happy would be foolish. If Louisville had just been 'happy' the past 10 years, they wouldn't have that football stadium, Coach Charlie Strong, Rick Pitino, YUM center, etc. Meaning, no ACC. Ask any Louisville fan what they would be 'happier' with, the American, or the ACC. Don't bother, we all the answer to that. My point is, that while UH has nothing but respect for our new league and all of the schools that are a part of it, being happy gets you left holding the bag. Trust me, we know. We're not building a new football stadium, renovating a basketball arena just so that we can go out and make $20 million less than our instate neighbors. They have more, we want more. Don't think there's anything wrong with that, as long as you respectfully go about your business. UH has done nothing but that from the time we annouced leaving CUSA until now.

100% This ^^^

I think Houston and UC are in roughly the same situations when it comes to the Big XII and the Big 10. In each case, the comparative league gains little to nothing by acquiring a school in a market they already dominate.

Maybe the B12 should take UC and the Big Ten should take Houston... It's a win-win-win-win situation for everyone involved! UC and UH end up in major conferences, the B12 gets an entry into Ohio and B10 land, and the B10 gets a foothold into Texas and the B12 territory.

And Super-DOUBLE-Bonus! UC and UH fans don't have to put up with each other and the rest of the AAC gets UC's exit fees that they've been griping over for the past three months! WOO HOO!

The Big 12 is definitely looking at UH and SMU. The problem is that they aren't just looking, but also pointing and laughing.

Come on people, so long as DeLoss Dodds is at UT, SMU and UH aren't going to be in a conference with UT

(05-07-2013 07:57 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:26 PM)Cougar King Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:15 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:   EXACTLY The lack of reading comprehension on this board by some people is frustrating... This article is 100% pure speculation by someone who has no damn clue what the hell is going on in the Big 12 offices. Basically this is an article pointing out that if the Big 12 wanted to expand their options these days are mostly limited to AAC schools.

You're just saying that because nobody's talking about ECU.

No, he's right. The thread title says that the Big 12 is looking at the schools listed. That would be an accurate title if this were a news article containing something along the lines of, "highly placed sources within the Big 12 have told me that the conference is in advance discussions with Houston & SMU about potentially joining in 2015." That's not what this is.

This is some random dude (who I'm sure is a very nice fellow) writing an opinion piece for his blog basically saying, "ACC signed a GOR, so I guess if B12 wanted to expand, which they might not even want to, here's a list I came up with of some schools that are still available, but I don't really know anything." I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but do you see the difference?

I only harp on this because inaccurate (and outright misleading) thread titles is a constant problem on these boards, and no one ever fixes them. Again, no offense intended.

My thoughts exactly, how can anyone reference to this "article" as news or facts?

(05-08-2013 11:41 AM)IAH Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 07:57 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:26 PM)Cougar King Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 06:15 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:   EXACTLY The lack of reading comprehension on this board by some people is frustrating... This article is 100% pure speculation by someone who has no damn clue what the hell is going on in the Big 12 offices. Basically this is an article pointing out that if the Big 12 wanted to expand their options these days are mostly limited to AAC schools.

You're just saying that because nobody's talking about ECU.

No, he's right. The thread title says that the Big 12 is looking at the schools listed. That would be an accurate title if this were a news article containing something along the lines of, "highly placed sources within the Big 12 have told me that the conference is in advance discussions with Houston & SMU about potentially joining in 2015." That's not what this is.

This is some random dude (who I'm sure is a very nice fellow) writing an opinion piece for his blog basically saying, "ACC signed a GOR, so I guess if B12 wanted to expand, which they might not even want to, here's a list I came up with of some schools that are still available, but I don't really know anything." I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but do you see the difference?

I only harp on this because inaccurate (and outright misleading) thread titles is a constant problem on these boards, and no one ever fixes them. Again, no offense intended.

My thoughts exactly, how can anyone reference to this "article" as news or facts?

It's just speculation like a lot of realignment info all over the internet. However, it gives those interested in the speculation something to discuss, which these two threads clearly prove:

(Currently at page 16) http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=632165&page=16

(Closed at page 15) http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=632164&page=15

Consequently, we have thirty-four pages (including this thread) so far of realignment rhetoric….

Another BS thread.
The facts are that ANY school in the AAC will be gone in an instant if the invite to Big12 came. Is it coming? Is one school more valuable than another? Well that we can go back and forth for millions of pages and at the end nothing will be resolved because none of us knows wether the Big12 will expand, when they will do it and who they will pick if they do.

One thing for sure is that ALL our schools will continue to work hard to improve their situations and that's good for the entire league.

So sit back enjoy your seasons, support your team and let the rest play out.

Lets pay ball.

(05-08-2013 11:06 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  Come on people, so long as DeLoss Dodds is at UT, SMU and UH aren't going to be in a conference with UT

This.

(05-08-2013 03:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Another BS thread.
The facts are that ANY school in the AAC will be gone in an instant if the invite to Big12 came. Is it coming? Is one school more valuable than another? Well that we can go back and forth for millions of pages and at the end nothing will be resolved because none of us knows wether the Big12 will expand, when they will do it and who they will pick if they do.

One thing for sure is that ALL our schools will continue to work hard to improve their situations and that's good for the entire league.

So sit back enjoy your seasons, support your team and let the rest play out.

Lets pay ball.

Here is a voice of reason shining through...

Repeating myself from the realignment board about the Big 12:

The Big 12 will wait for 2025 and try to reel in some big fish like FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, etc.

When that inevitably fails, they will make offers to some combination of Cincinnati, Louisville, and BYU. Apologies to USF/UCF fans, but the Big 12 does not want into Florida unless it is by Florida State. Slight chance USF could tag along with FSU, but don't count on it. Also, SMU fans know the Dallas market is Big 12 saturated, so, barring some kind of earth shattering conference implosion, they're going to be froze out for several more decades.

Louisville - Will likely turn down the Big 12 unless the ACC suffers other prior defections. Money difference is negligible and better fit in the Atlantic.

BYU - A cash grab, but not sure if this romance will ever come to fruition due to crazy demands. Also unsure if the rest of the Big 12 North want them.

Cincinnati - Marginal net positive but does give WVU a legitimate runningmate. Won't be the first invite issued, but Big 12 will need them at the end of the day.

Provided Louisville or BYU do not join, or if they do but a Big 12 team defects (my guess would be Kansas to the B1G), Houston will be looked at as a 12th member. Simply put, outside of UT, the Big 12 is getting murdered in Houston by the SEC. UH vs. Big 12 matchups brings substantial viewership in the 10th largest media market, as well as being a logistical and sentimental favorite. With their new facilities being built, provided they haven't driven their program into a ditch by 2025, they will garner serious consideration provided the Northern alternatives do not pan out.

Now... let's all get comfortable and play inspired ball for the next 10 years while we wait for contracts to expire.

Thank you Big 12 commish.

(05-09-2013 05:31 PM)DonnyMost Wrote:  Repeating myself from the realignment board about the Big 12:

The Big 12 will wait for 2025 and try to reel in some big fish like FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, etc.

When that inevitably fails, they will make offers to some combination of Cincinnati, Louisville, and BYU. Apologies to USF/UCF fans, but the Big 12 does not want into Florida unless it is by Florida State. Slight chance USF could tag along with FSU, but don't count on it. Also, SMU fans know the Dallas market is Big 12 saturated, so, barring some kind of earth shattering conference implosion, they're going to be froze out for several more decades.

Louisville - Will likely turn down the Big 12 unless the ACC suffers other prior defections. Money difference is negligible and better fit in the Atlantic.

BYU - A cash grab, but not sure if this romance will ever come to fruition due to crazy demands. Also unsure if the rest of the Big 12 North want them.

Cincinnati - Marginal net positive but does give WVU a legitimate runningmate. Won't be the first invite issued, but Big 12 will need them at the end of the day.

Provided Louisville or BYU do not join, or if they do but a Big 12 team defects (my guess would be Kansas to the B1G), Houston will be looked at as a 12th member. Simply put, outside of UT, the Big 12 is getting murdered in Houston by the SEC. UH vs. Big 12 matchups brings substantial viewership in the 10th largest media market, as well as being a logistical and sentimental favorite. With their new facilities being built, provided they haven't driven their program into a ditch by 2025, they will garner serious consideration provided the Northern alternatives do not pan out.

Now... let's all get comfortable and play inspired ball for the next 10 years while we wait for contracts to expire.

USF, UCF, UConn, Cincy and Memphis will all have something to say about it. All have been raising more money than UH, pay their football staff more, larger attendance, a larger season ticket base, and all are in markets the Big 12 has no presence in. Writing them off is premature as you can make a good argument that they are as well or better positioned for success than UH is from a support standpoint.

Dark horses are ECU and Tulane. ECU has the fan support and revenue support on their side and Tulane has their market, additional recruiting exposure, and is just now financially competing and has raised their football budget by 45% in four years with more on the way.

UH will have a shot but I really feel you overvalue having a team "in" Houston. The Big 12 already gets favorable tv windows there and while the SEC is gaining ground in the relative tv ratings I am not convinced that UH will reverse that or at least reverse it enough to overcome adding outside our region.

I would include Temple but IIRC they have had budget/financial support issues as well as CSU, Nevada, or UNLV.

Cuban,

What's with the attitude?

If you think I claim to know something you guys don't, that's on you, not me.

Guesses based on what has happened so far. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If waiting for the best options to come up had any realistic value in prediction the PAC 12 wouldn't have added Colorado and Utah, the sec wouldn't have added Mizzou and the big ten wouldn't have added Maryland and Rutgers. This isn't a slam to the respective schools it just means there are more "popular" schools that have more perceived value. Donny your argument although logical is a fallacy, realignment is more chaotic.

Oh, I'm well aware it's chaotic. Tons of things can change between now and then.

And Cuban, jfc man. Not everything needs to be moved to the realignment board. There's already a thread on this here. Chill.

Quote:they have had budget/financial support issues as well as CSU, Nevada, or UNLV...

Sammy, you da man, and I need to offer a correction on Colorado State. Our athletics budget has always been small, due to small thinking by previous administrations over decades. Before our current athletic director we had a pretty good AD who insisted on balancing the budget every year. Good man. However, he had no plan to grow the department or get State's programs back to winning conference titles and the like.

Enter our new AD, who has raised the athletics budget by $5M in just over one year (~20% increase). He's hired new coaches in several sports (FB, MBB, WBB, Golf), and each of them is a proven big-time winning coach. He's spearheaded the construction of a new $250M on-campus multi-use stadium, and he's currently meeting with the deep-pocketed donors to secure 50% of construction costs by 2014.

Our president understands that State is about to get left behind forever unless we raise the athletics to match the high quality and standards of our academics, and he's not been shy about promoting the school's future to the success of both arenas. Both he and the AD are forward-thinking pragmatists who will get their goals accomplished.

Also, State is one of only 17 D1 schools to have never received an NCAA sanction. Both of these gentlemen expect (demand) that State will continue this standard while reaching its full potential.

That said, Nevada and UNLV do have issues with financial support, tho UNLV has a cash cow in their T&M facility. Their state gub-mint is even more cash-strapped than Colorado's, and NV is beholden to the casinos for revenue.

Quote: USF, UCF, UConn, Cincy and Memphis will all have something to say about it.

What they will have to say about it is whatever change has happened to their media value as a result of their performance in the meantime.

Those are things that take years to have an impact, so it wouldn't be all that surprising if (1) the Big12 moves well before the GOR expires and (2) well after "everyone" who got addicted to conference realignment discussions have concluded that the Big12 isn't going to expand after all.