(05-19-2013 12:32 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 12:16 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 12:02 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  "If ASU's history is mediocre....what is WKU's history? ASU has more success in FBS than WKU with conference championships, a bowl win, more bowl appearances and better attendance. WKU is from the EXACT SAME conference as ASU and ULL and WKU really struggled in it for a while. Their best years in that allegedly horrible, horrible, sucky conference were 7 wins, no championships, no bowl wins."


Missing just two things:
1. ASU has been FBS several more years than WKU , so we have not had as long to win bowl games and championships.

2. Maybe CUSA is glad to have WKU in because in addition to our FBS Football our basketball success is greater than any team that has ever been in CUSA minus Louisville. (not to mention our olympic sports)

This is a list of top Men's Division I college basketball teams ranked by the number of wins through the end of the 2012–13 season:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball


Seasons Wins Losses %
1 Kentucky 1903 110 2111 661 .762
2 Kansas 1899 115 2101 812 .721
3 North Car 1911 103 2090 745 .737
4 Duke 1906 108 2001 840 .704
5 Syracuse 1901 112 1874 832 .693
6 Temple 1895 117 1814 992 .646
7 St. John's 1908 106 1754 931 .653
8 UCLA 1920 94 1753 779 .692
9 Notre Dam 1898 108 1748 949 .648
10 Indiana 1901 113 1719 966 .640
11 Penn 1897 113 1706 1020 .626
12 Louisville 1912 99 1697 869 .661
13 BYU 1903 111 1690 1026 .622
14 Illinois 1906 108 1690 910 .650
15 Utah 1909 105 1685 936 .643
16 Wash 1896 111 1683 1095 .606
17 Texas 1906 107 1675 994 .628
18 WKU 1915 94 1675 844 .665

I was waiting for a WKU fan to take offense even though what I said shouldn't be taken as an offense and wasn't intended as one.

I haven't criticized CUSA's taking WKU and fully understand why they did.

I also praise WKU's transition to FBS. I also agree that WKU has fully paid its FBS dues. I also praise WKU football fans for having class during realignment.

My using WKU as an example was for the purpose of showing the ODU fan's double-standard.

I am not going to get into an argument with a WKU fan because WKU is legit and there is no need for argument.

He did not take offense to it. He just addressed the questions YOU raised. I think CUSA took wku for four reasons:

1: Budget, of the teams on the table, wku has the largest budget and supports the most sports. This increases our likelihood for success on the field through adequate support.

2: History of success. WKU has historically been a winner in many sports. Particularly in Men's and Women's basketball.

3: Rapid FBS Transition. Once we got on the field and broke our streak, we made a quick transition into bowl eligibility, then on to a bowl. We went from 0-12 to 7-6 in only four years. We have the ability and the potential to succeed at a high level.

4: Exceptional geographic fit. This is self explanatory as we helped to reduce some miles for Marshall and ODU. Not to mention holding on to the rivalry.

Again, I have zero argument with why CUSA took WKU.

The only drawback to WKU was that it caused some geographic alignment problems (or at least didn't help them)....but that is not something that WKU was in control of. In fact it should speak well that WKU was taken in spite of the geographic issue.

(05-19-2013 12:30 PM)workingodu Wrote:  While odu fans may be a lil over the top. We have been at the top of caa for a long time. Vcu and gmu were great teams who added allot to the caa. But I do think we are excited about our chances and left caa for good reasons. Odu has added some good assistants and we are gearing up to be one of the top in this conference too.

Just like our teams they aren't coming in quietly so neither are their fans. We want to play ball have a great time with visiting team fans when the whistles blows. When its over and done same thing. We carry pride for what has been accomplished in a few years and with basketball.

As I said, ODU has just as much opportunity to succeed in FBS as any other move-up has/will.

I wouldn't even have dropped into the thread for an ODU fan claiming they would have success in FBS.

What I did drop in for was negative commentary about ASU and ULL. That is far different than an ODU fan being positive about their program.

WKU/ODU/Charlotte are arguing with ASU/ULL. Eastern schools arguing about what would be adds to the west. It doesn't make sense. In fact, it's rather pointless. You are all arguing apples and oranges.

A move to 16 is all about C-USA West and UAB and USM. UAB and USM would probably love to add ASU/ULL so they can move East. (I'm just guessing here that USM would want to play Marshall every year and that UAB would want to play USM and MTSU).

My point is that C-USA East teams are arguing and bashing what would be C-USA West additions from the Sunbelt. Charlotte/WKU/ODU might as well bash C-USA West since we are so heavily divided. We get one cross-over game a year. Some years you are not going to get the cross-over game you want. Might as well chalk your cross-over game up as an OOC game (except that it counts in the conference record).

So, we really are two divisions that aren't as connected as we might like.

People are arguing about what the other division may or may not add, and who's worth more than the other teams, and which schools' programs are better than the others. It's a pointless argument because the teams added in the East were added for many reasons, but a good portion of it is that they are, in fact, East. I don't think the Eastern schools in C-USA were focused on any Western schools because it's the Eastern schools that had to get filled in from losses to AAC.

We are just waiting to see if another shoe drops and we fill in schools in the West. And if C-USA does, I'm sure they will be looking at teams that would geographically fit in the West. I think UAB and USM have the most interest in all of this, and I'm sure that whatever they want is where the conference will go (with respect to them moving East or not). I'm also pretty confident that La Tech will have a say as if a school in Louisiana is put forth as an add. (Which is why I don't think they would sign-off on another Louisiana team and MSU would be looked at heavily). But it requires finding two teams for the west and not just one team. If the C-USA presidents can't come to an agreement on both teams, then there will be no move to 16. I'm guessing there is a disagreement about who the second team should be and that's why there hasn't been an announcement.

But as to which school is better and which schools are not, it's a moot point because in the eyes of C-USA realignment you are all equal. It's just that some are in the East, and some are in the West.

So you guys in the East fight about what you want in the East. Let the West schools (especially LaTech/UAB/USM) fight about what we want in the West.

Otherwise we might as well watch the ACC argue about the PAC additions.

But as for UTSA, I only wish we could talk smack here on the C-USA board. Someday we can. But not until we win. I look forward to that day!

(05-19-2013 01:02 PM)slow-runner Wrote:  WKU/ODU/Charlotte are arguing with ASU/ULL. Eastern schools arguing about what would be adds to the west. It doesn't make sense. In fact, it's rather pointless. You are all arguing apples and oranges.

A move to 16 is all about C-USA West and UAB and USM. UAB and USM would probably love to add ASU/ULL so they can move East. (I'm just guessing here that USM would want to play Marshall every year and that UAB would want to play USM and MTSU).

My point is that C-USA East teams are arguing and bashing what would be C-USA West additions from the Sunbelt. Charlotte/WKU/ODU might as well bash C-USA West since we are so heavily divided. We get one cross-over game a year. Some years you are not going to get the cross-over game you want. Might as well chalk your cross-over game up as an OOC game (except that it counts in the conference record).

So, we really are two divisions that aren't as connected as we might like.

People are arguing about what the other division may or may not add, and who's worth more than the other teams, and which schools' programs are better than the others. It's a pointless argument because the teams added in the East were added for many reasons, but a good portion of it is that they are, in fact, East. I don't think the Eastern schools in C-USA were focused on any Western schools because it's the Eastern schools that had to get filled in from losses to AAC.

We are just waiting to see if another shoe drops and we fill in schools in the West. And if C-USA does, I'm sure they will be looking at teams that would geographically fit in the West. I think UAB and USM have the most interest in all of this, and I'm sure that whatever they want is where the conference will go (with respect to them moving East or not). I'm also pretty confident that La Tech will have a say as if a school in Louisiana is put forth as an add. (Which is why I don't think they would sign-off on another Louisiana team and MSU would be looked at heavily). But it requires finding two teams for the west and not just one team. If the C-USA presidents can't come to an agreement on both teams, then there will be no move to 16. I'm guessing there is a disagreement about who the second team should be and that's why there hasn't been an announcement.

But as to which school is better and which schools are not, it's a moot point because in the eyes of C-USA realignment you are all equal. It's just that some are in the East, and some are in the West.

So you guys in the East fight about what you want in the East. Let the West schools (especially LaTech/UAB/USM) fight about what we want in the West.

Otherwise we might as well watch the ACC argue about the PAC additions.

But as for UTSA, I only wish we could talk smack here on the C-USA board. Someday we can. But not until we win. I look forward to that day!

Two adds would only move UAB east. USM would stay. I believe that several UAB fans are happy with being WEST in football, just want something different for olympics. Not sure though, i will let them speak for themselves on that.

(05-18-2013 09:57 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  ODU has SKippy as AD, that is all you need!

I like that guy...ODU made a good choice in an AD.

All CUSA has to do is not add, and expansion might actually die down for a little bit. If you guys add, it becomes a 16 team league, and the SBC has to pick up 2-3 more. We have enough move ups now as it is.

Take one for the team. (Or just add JMU and Delaware...whichever you prefer)

I'd just as soon realignment die down and the focus go back to sports.

How long has this round of realignment been going on...seems like years.

The best years of basketball the Sunbelt had, Old Dominion was part of that, along with VCU, WKU, Charlotte and UAB. That's was the golden age of the Sunbelt, we're just trying to get the old band back together.

(05-19-2013 07:59 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  The best years of basketball the Sunbelt had, Old Dominion was part of that, along with VCU, WKU, Charlotte and UAB. That's was the golden age of the Sunbelt, we're just trying to get the old band back together.

Wouldn't argue that.