Cool by me. I have been advocating a "reverse boycott" by ND against the Big Ten for months now.

However, the Big Ten and the ACC are doing a basketball challenge and ND is playing three Big Ten schools (Indiana, Ohio State and Iowa) in basketball for ND's first year in the ACC next season.

So, the Big Ten "walk" does not seem to be equal to its "talk". Unfortunately, in my view.

(BTW, I believe that Purdue nixed the ND series, not the other way around.)

I would be very content if ND announced that they would never play a Big Ten member ever again in any sport.

As noted, ND has "lock down "games every year with Southern Cal, Stanford, Navy and five ACC schools.

Add in BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, throw in a game against Arizona once in a while, BYU, an Army game at Yankee Stadium, etc...ND would do just fine by never playing a Big Ten school ever again.

That would be cool but it likely won't happen. :(

(05-10-2013 09:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  According to Adam Rittenberg.



http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id...-nd-msu-nd

Quote:The buzz around much of the Big Ten is to cut ties with Notre Dame altogether. The Irish didn't want to be in the Big Ten. They got a deal from the ACC they'd NEVER get from the Big Ten. So why should Big Ten teams keep playing Notre Dame?

Reads to me like someone got their feelings hurt and now want to quit playing ND in every sport.

(05-10-2013 10:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think if the Big Ten were to do this, you would see a lot of those neutral site games held in places such as Chicago, Cincy, Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, etc. where ND would be able to maintain their midwest ties.

Plus six home games per year in South Bend, right in the heart of Big Ten country, an "island fortress" stubbornly flying a foreign flag right in the middle of Jim Delany's Empire.

Oh, freaking ditto. "The buzz around the Big Ten" could just as well be some idiot fans sounding off in a forum without thinking things through (some other sports forum, obviously) as something said by Athletic Directors. Its a fairly meaningless attention grabbing phrase to get more hits for the article.

The article makes it clear that the Notre Dame series is more important for Purdue than for MSU, and MSU / Notre Dame is four years on / two years off anyway. For instance, flipping that to two years on / four years off wouldn't actually be all that big of a change. But Purdue's preference would likely be to put the series on hiatus for one year to line the series up with their Big Ten 4 home / 5 home alternation, to be in South Bend when they have 5 conference home games and have ND at home when they have 4 conference home games.

(05-10-2013 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Cool by me. I have been advocating a "reverse boycott" by ND against the Big Ten for months now.

However, the Big Ten and the ACC are doing a basketball challenge and ND is playing three Big Ten schools (Indiana, Ohio State and Iowa) in basketball for ND's first year in the ACC next season.

So, the Big Ten "walk" does not seem to be equal to its "talk". Unfortunately, in my view.

(BTW, I believe that Purdue nixed the ND series, not the other way around.)

I would be very content if ND announced that they would never play a Big Ten member ever again in any sport.

As noted, ND has "lock down "games every year with Southern Cal, Stanford, Navy and five ACC schools.

Add in BYU, Texas, Oklahoma, throw in a game against Arizona once in a while, BYU, an Army game at Yankee Stadium, etc...ND would do just fine by never playing a Big Ten school ever again.

Terry, I think you mean "never again in any sport in the regular season".

Oh look, another Big Ten pile-on!!!



Twisting the intent of an article into some kind of slam against the B1G.

All PU and MSU are doing are trying to figure out what to do RE the new 9-game B1G schedule. Purdue hasn't 'nixed' anything.

This place is a joke.

(05-10-2013 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Cool by me. I have been advocating a "reverse boycott" by ND against the Big Ten for months now.

Months?

(05-10-2013 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Cool by me. I have been advocating a "reverse boycott" by ND against the Big Ten for months now.

Months?

(05-10-2013 12:03 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Cool by me. I have been advocating a "reverse boycott" by ND against the Big Ten for months now.

Months?

Decades?

SSDD. The Big 10 has had an on-again/off-again boycott of ND for over a century. It started off as an anti-Catholic thing (back when that sort of bigotry was common), but it's turned into more of a petty "you don't want to join us so I'll take my ball and go home" thing.

(05-10-2013 11:39 AM)Cleanface Wrote:  Oh look, another Big Ten pile-on!!!



Twisting the intent of an article into some kind of slam against the B1G.

All PU and MSU are doing are trying to figure out what to do RE the new 9-game B1G schedule. Purdue hasn't 'nixed' anything.

This place is a joke.

Post more. We never hear from B1G fans, so we do what you do on a message board... message.

(05-10-2013 12:31 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  SSDD. The Big 10 has had an on-again/off-again boycott of ND for over a century. It started off as an anti-Catholic thing (back when that sort of bigotry was common), but it's turned into more of a petty "you don't want to join us so I'll take my ball and go home" thing.

Yes, there's the 85 games worth of unwillingness to play from Pursue, and the 75 games worth of unwillingness to play from MSU.

AFAIR, the big anti-catholic thing almost a century back when Notre Dame wanted to join "the Western Conference" was from that school up north, but there's quite a bit of old dusty history there ~ its hard to call that school up north playing Notre Dame 80%+ of the time since 1978 a "boycott".

The Big Ten is not going to unilaterally decide to cut games against Notre Dame for no benefit. Purdue/Michigan State might drop some games to free up their schedules a little (same with Notre Dame). They like the series though and there is no reason to drop it just because Notre Dame is not part of the Big Ten. The Big Ten for its part is guaranteed high profile games with the Irish, which is exactly what the conference has said it wants more of (fewer games against MAC teams and none vs. I-AA teams).

(05-10-2013 02:36 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  The Big Ten is not going to unilaterally decide to cut games against Notre Dame for no benefit.

First, the Big Ten as a conference is not going to make any such decision, because that's not how they roll. They are pushing members to restrict future scheduling to FBS division members, but that is to increase the media value of the BTN (in particular, since it gets the "left over") ~ it would not only be quite bizarre for the conference to boycott a particular school, but it would go against their strategy of the past ten years or more to boycott a school that improves their media value.

Quote: Purdue/Michigan State might drop some games to free up their schedules a little (same with Notre Dame).

More MSU than Purdue, though ... the Notre Dame game is how Purdue gets on national TV. They have a strong incentive to synchronize the game with their Big Ten Home/Away schedule, but that only requires a single year hiatus.

Quote: They like the series though and there is no reason to drop it just because Notre Dame is not part of the Big Ten.

Which makes it all the more likely that the "buzz" the sports writer is referring to is just badly thought through BS from t-shirt fans on some sports discussion forum.

Quote: The Big Ten for its part is guaranteed high profile games with the Irish, which is exactly what the conference has said it wants more of (fewer games against MAC teams and none vs. I-AA teams).

I don't think the Big Ten said anything about total Big Ten games against the MAC ~ what they said is they don't want teams with OOC schedules made up of nothing but MAC and FCS schools. If some teams trade up a game from a MAC school to a lower tier Power Five conference school, and others trade up a game from an FCS school to a MAC school, it could end up just about the same for the MAC ~ as the say in Oz, what the MAC loses on the swings it might gain on the roundabout.

(05-10-2013 09:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Reads to me like someone got their feelings hurt and now want to quit playing ND in every sport.

Blacklisting a team is always a temper tantrum. UMD is doing it with Georgetown over a basketball game, some ACC schools are threatening to do it to us.

It's petty and childish.

(05-11-2013 07:32 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Reads to me like someone got their feelings hurt and now want to quit playing ND in every sport.

Blacklisting a team is always a temper tantrum. UMD is doing it with Georgetown over a basketball game, some ACC schools are threatening to do it to us.

It's petty and childish.

You're right AL.
When South Carolina left the ACC, some teams refused to play them in any sport.
Clemson never stopped playing 'lil carolina, NC State IIRC has played them over 20 times in football and Carolina 10-12 times with future games scheduled in 2013, and 2015. Duke on the other hand.............

(05-10-2013 09:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Reads to me like someone got their feelings hurt and now want to quit playing ND in every sport.

I'll believe it when i see it, because this type of fuming talk boils out of the B1G every decade or so after ND rejects them yet again. E.g., after ND rejected B1G overtures in 1999, Ohio State football coach John Cooper said B1G schools should "boycott" Notre Dame. Cooper was soon out of his job and scheduling games with ND continued as usual.

(05-10-2013 09:51 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  If ND wants games in the Midwest, something tells me Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and even Ohio State would have a hard time passing up the big game. There is no way the B1G could get a conference-wide boycott to stick.

Or they could play a home game

(05-10-2013 10:13 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:42 AM)CK42NC Wrote:  THANK YOU BIG! eliminate games with ND and they back fill with ACC games, we may see ND as full member after all !?

I think ND and UConn/UC end up in the ACC at some point.

No.

*Well not for some time at least but I think WVU or Navy/Georgetown would be looked at ...and that's after Penn State or whatever top tier program would be discussed. ND joining would be a game changer much bigger than UConn/Cincy

(05-11-2013 07:32 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 09:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Reads to me like someone got their feelings hurt and now want to quit playing ND in every sport.

Blacklisting a team is always a temper tantrum. UMD is doing it with Georgetown over a basketball game, some ACC schools are threatening to do it to us.

It's petty and childish.

I guess it would be if the ACC was actually as secure as Swofford leads us to believe after you guys pulled a Baltimore Colts. What is it with your state?