In another thread I linked an article by David Teal discussing divisional realignment.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...full.story

In it he discussed the N/S alignment, his own alignment, and one developed by Adam Gold.

It's this third model I'd like to get posters' views on.

ATLANTIC---------COASTAL

Syracuse----------Boston College

Georgia Tech------Louisville

Pittsburgh---------Virginia

N. Carolina St.-----North Carolina

Wake Forest-------Duke

Florida State-------Miami

Clemson-----------Virginia Tech

While I still favor the N/S model with Miami in the North to counter the BiG's recent restructured East Division, I thought the above was a reasonable compromise.

But I wanted to get your thoughts on this as well.

Cheers,
Neil

I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

So he swapped BC and LVille for Pitt and GT. So the rationale is to split BC and Syracuse. If BC was wining like they were in the early 2000s would people still feel that way?

Second, I would want Pitt to play VT every year as a replacement for WV. UVA isn't a serious enough at football but VT is.

Overall, I like it.

(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

(06-07-2013 02:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  So he swapped BC and LVille for Pitt and GT. So the rationale is to split BC and Syracuse. If BC was wining like they were in the early 2000s would people still feel that way?

Second, I would want Pitt to play VT every year as a replacement for WV. UVA isn't a serious enough at football but VT is.

Overall, I like it.

For the good of the ACC I hope BC starts winning again like they were from 2001-2008. And also for SU winning again like they were from 1987-1998.

It's the best way for the northeastern strategy to work. And if it were to happen I don't think it really matters which model it was happening under, the current one, the N/S one, or this compromise one.

Just my thoughts on that aspect of it.

Cheers,
Neil

I like David Teel's the best of the three because it keeps the Virginia Tech-Pitt game which I think has the potential to turn into a decent rivalry if not the primary one for either team.

I still think the best is to swap Georgia Tech and Louisville and then just plug in Georgia Tech-Virginia and Louisville-Clemson as the cross-overs. It makes Florida State happy, keeps the divisions relatively balanced and allows Louisville to play most of the schools they are closest with including Virginia Tech and Pitt. Would Virginia Tech, UNC, Duke etc. care that much about losing a game in Atlanta to pick up a game with a rising program? I don't know the answer but it seems like a logical switch.

(06-07-2013 02:53 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  I like David Teel's the best of the three because it keeps the Virginia Tech-Pitt game which I think has the potential to turn into a decent rivalry if not the primary one for either team.

I still think the best is to swap Georgia Tech and Louisville and then just plug in Georgia Tech-Virginia and Louisville-Clemson as the cross-overs. It makes Florida State happy, keeps the divisions relatively balanced and allows Louisville to play most of the schools they are closest with including Virginia Tech and Pitt. Would Virginia Tech, UNC, Duke etc. care that much about losing a game in Atlanta to pick up a game with a rising program? I don't know the answer but it seems like a logical switch.

Duke probably wouldn't but I think UNC would. Most fans would want Atlanta over L'ville.

The divisions are fine, but the cross-overs need tweaking:

ATLANTIC---------COASTAL
Syracuse----------Boston College
Georgia Tech------Virginia
Pittsburgh---------Virginia Tech
N. Carolina St.-----North Carolina
Wake Forest-------Duke
Florida State-------Miami
Clemson-----------Louisville

This might fly, IMO. It keeps GT & VA together (though it breaks up GT/UNC) and it seems fairly balanced to me... it's almost West vs. East (with UL out of place).

(06-07-2013 02:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

Yes it is. BC was never a desired opponent for FSU. The schools have nothing in common at all.

(06-07-2013 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

Yes it is. BC was never a desired opponent for FSU. The schools have nothing in common at all.

You didn't have anything common with GT. You barely played them before you joined the ACC. FSU just wants to play good teams. If BC is good and it helps the SOS, then it all works out.

(06-07-2013 03:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The divisions are fine, but the cross-overs need tweaking:

ATLANTIC---------COASTAL
Syracuse----------Boston College
Georgia Tech------Virginia
Pittsburgh---------Virginia Tech
N. Carolina St.-----North Carolina
Wake Forest-------Duke
Florida State-------Miami
Clemson-----------Louisville

This might fly, IMO. It keeps GT & VA together (though it breaks up GT/UNC) and it seems fairly balanced to me... it's almost West vs. East (with UL out of place).

I like this too. I prefer the current set-up because I like Pitt playing Miami instead of Florida State/Clemson because of the history but this seems to be very fair for all the schools.

(06-07-2013 03:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The divisions are fine, but the cross-overs need tweaking:

ATLANTIC---------COASTAL
Syracuse----------Boston College
Georgia Tech------Virginia
Pittsburgh---------Virginia Tech
N. Carolina St.-----North Carolina
Wake Forest-------Duke
Florida State-------Miami
Clemson-----------Louisville

This might fly, IMO. It keeps GT & VA together (though it breaks up GT/UNC) and it seems fairly balanced to me... it's almost West vs. East (with UL out of place).

Nice. Gold's thinking I suppose with Clemson/VT crossover was more in line with giving the conference another regular marquee football match-up but Clemson/Louisville fills the bill as well and if Pitt turns it around, VT/Pitt could be an exciting match-up although from the Old Big East days it would be hard to top Miami-VT, VT-WVU, and VT-SU. VT-Pitt just didn't do much back then until SU started fade.

Cheers,
Neil

More from #UVa AD Craig Littlepage on #ACC divisions: "I like the competitive balance ... that has always been a guiding principle."
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#UVa AD Craig Littlepage just now via email on #ACC divisions: "We've discussed the current alignment, and it is a non-issue."

(06-07-2013 03:30 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More from #UVa AD Craig Littlepage on #ACC divisions: "I like the competitive balance ... that has always been a guiding principle."
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#UVa AD Craig Littlepage just now via email on #ACC divisions: "We've discussed the current alignment, and it is a non-issue."

Well, of course he thinks it's a non-issue. He doesn't want to wind up in a N/S alignment.

Cheers,
Neil

They went with competitive balance over fan friendly match ups. Maybe some rivalries and good match ups will result from this.

(06-07-2013 03:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  They went with competitive balance over fan friendly match ups. Maybe some rivalries and good match ups will result from this.

at this and the UVA AD. Of course it is a non issue to UNC/UVA fans and admins. They picked their divisions and got everything they wanted out of them. There are way better divisions than this for rivalries to be enhanced and the football product to be improved.

The fact that this ahole AD calls its a non issue just screams arrogance. And it gives further credence to the fact that UVA/Duke/UNC run this conference and just tell everyone what to do.

And the football program won't be maximized as long as basketball schools are running the show.

(06-07-2013 03:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

Yes it is. BC was never a desired opponent for FSU. The schools have nothing in common at all.

You didn't have anything common with GT. You barely played them before you joined the ACC. FSU just wants to play good teams. If BC is good and it helps the SOS, then it all works out.

We barely played many of the teams before playing in the ACC.

GT is a football school
They have won a national title
They are in the deep South and are the closest school to FSU.
They have a huge alumni base in ATL from FSU

Yeah but they have nothing in common just like BC. I swear you don't know very much about college football at all.

You really think a private school from fricken Boston offers the same to Florida State as Georgia Tech? Even when good, BC is not an exciting game. Learn about college football and how regional rivalries are built. The ACC needs to learn that too.

I actually agree with you that GTech should be in the same division with FSU...I understand travel and fan and alumni bases.

(06-07-2013 04:06 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:29 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I am for any division that gets us Clemson/Georgia Tech and divides Syracuse/BC (or sends both to the other division). Of course I wouldn't want 3 of Cuse/BC/Wake/Duke either and that is the case now

If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

Yes it is. BC was never a desired opponent for FSU. The schools have nothing in common at all.

You didn't have anything common with GT. You barely played them before you joined the ACC. FSU just wants to play good teams. If BC is good and it helps the SOS, then it all works out.

We barely played many of the teams before playing in the ACC.

GT is a football school
They have won a national title
They are in the deep South and are the closest school to FSU.
They have a huge alumni base in ATL from FSU

Yeah but they have nothing in common just like BC. I swear you don't know very much about college football at all.

You really think a private school from fricken Boston offers the same to Florida State as Georgia Tech? Even when good, BC is not an exciting game. Learn about college football and how regional rivalries are built. The ACC needs to learn that too.

You make it sound like they have this bubbling rivalry and yet I don't hear anyone at either school dying to get the game.

Is Boston College not a football school? Like I said before, BC is not an exciting game to you. When BC is good, they do get some attention. 2006 BC at FSU...attendance 83,043. FSU wasn't even that good that year. BC was ranked.

(06-07-2013 04:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:06 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If BC performed like they did a few years ago when they were in the ACCCG (2 years in a row), this conversation isn't happening.

Yes it is. BC was never a desired opponent for FSU. The schools have nothing in common at all.

You didn't have anything common with GT. You barely played them before you joined the ACC. FSU just wants to play good teams. If BC is good and it helps the SOS, then it all works out.

We barely played many of the teams before playing in the ACC.

GT is a football school
They have won a national title
They are in the deep South and are the closest school to FSU.
They have a huge alumni base in ATL from FSU

Yeah but they have nothing in common just like BC. I swear you don't know very much about college football at all.

You really think a private school from fricken Boston offers the same to Florida State as Georgia Tech? Even when good, BC is not an exciting game. Learn about college football and how regional rivalries are built. The ACC needs to learn that too.

You make it sound like they have this bubbling rivalry and yet I don't hear anyone at either school dying to get the game.

Is Boston College not a football school? Like I said before, BC is not an exciting game to you. When BC is good, they do get some attention. 2006 BC at FSU...attendance 83,043. FSU wasn't even that good that year. BC was ranked.

FSU has high attendance at a lot of their games. That shows nothing.

Again, you have very little knowledge of college football if you haven't seen many at FSU wanting this game.

Let's put it this way. How about we take NC State, Duke or Virginia from you guys. Then you can play BC and Syracuse every year instead. I am sure you would be fine with that right ?

Also you know how many times GT played UNC before joining the ACC in 1980?

15 times.

But thanks to the ACC GT/FSU will never be a good rivalry because they will barely ever play.

Also Va Tech played GT 1 time before entering the ACC ONCE. But many say that is already a rivalry that is growing.....