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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
(06-07-2013 04:59 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Randy Spetman went off on wanting to join the SEC and got slapped for it. And David Barron the President said they have asked about geographical divisions before. The articles are out there. You can google them. They clearly want the divisions changed.

All of my stuff read on it are insider articles that I can't copy.

Yeah Spetman spoke out of turn and how he's getting replaced. I know Barron has spoken about getting GT moved into the division to cut down on travel costs. However, I haven't heard him say anything since Louisville is coming in. I wonder if he prefers Louisville to GT.

I don't recall Spetman making any negative remarks. Not to say he didn't but I don't recall them. The two I vividly recall expressing FSU's unhappiness were BOT member Andy Haggard and football coach Jimbo Fisher.

And both of them focused solely on how bad the TV contract was and that too somehow "favored" the UNC schools.

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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
(06-07-2013 05:11 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:59 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Randy Spetman went off on wanting to join the SEC and got slapped for it. And David Barron the President said they have asked about geographical divisions before. The articles are out there. You can google them. They clearly want the divisions changed.

All of my stuff read on it are insider articles that I can't copy.

Yeah Spetman spoke out of turn and how he's getting replaced. I know Barron has spoken about getting GT moved into the division to cut down on travel costs. However, I haven't heard him say anything since Louisville is coming in. I wonder if he prefers Louisville to GT.

I don't recall Spetman making any negative remarks. Not to say he didn't but I don't recall them. The two I vividly recall expressing FSU's unhappiness were BOT member Andy Haggard and football coach Jimbo Fisher.

And both of them focused solely on how bad the TV contract was and that too somehow "favored" the UNC schools.

Cheers,
Neil

Spetman's comments were ill-timed. The ACC was in the cross-hairs with the B1G, SEC, and Big 12. The league was trying to build solidarity and he starts talking about wanting to be in the SEC.

I think there was an article on Warchant than Barron wanted GT in their division to cut down on travel. However, when Louisville joined the conference he stopped talking about it. I think FSU wants to be paired with Louisville.
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
i spoke to GT's old AD one time and he personally opposed being in FSU's divisions he felt along with VT they ould be more competitive in the Coastal division, I have yet to meet their new AD, but I heard he is a very big Basketball guy/
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All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.
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RE: Another Divisional Discussion
(06-07-2013 05:01 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:53 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They clearly have lower standards than they brag about then.

And you wonder why everyone complains about you. You ruin good thread after good thread by attacking individuals and trashing schools, when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Everything we talked about had to do with the divisions. It is his fault that all his points were proven wrong.

I don't care if people complain about me. It's a message board. You don't matter to me and I don't matter to you.
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RE: Another Divisional Discussion
(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

The league should be supporting all schools to get back on their feet. I noticed BC's 2014 recruiting and was a little surprised. I guess the new coach isn't playing around.
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(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

It's not about you existing. It is about FSU being stuck with BC. BC is fine for regional teams. They are never going to be an exciting matchup and they will never be a rivalry for FSU.

That is what some of you don't understand. College football is about regional rivalries. Are there are few historic national rivalries? Sure. ND vs USC is one. But the overwhelming majority of them are regional rivalries built from years of playing each other while being schools that are similar in some way.

So a private school in fricken Boston is about an unappealing of an annual game as you can get for a Florida school in college football.

Of course if they get good the games are better, but there will never be a rivalry.

4 x4 has and now jam have brought up that GT/FSU barely played before the ACC. Yet people talk on here how GT/VT is becoming a rivalry. They played ONCE before 2004 when VT joined the ACC. Virginia/GT is said to be one that needs protecting. They played 4 times before GT joined the ACC in 1980.

The people acting like GT/FSU can't grow into a great rivalry are out of their minds and it should happen. But the ACC is too stupid to maximize their football assets and want to let UNC/Duke/UVA control everything instead.
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
(06-07-2013 05:15 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:11 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:59 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Randy Spetman went off on wanting to join the SEC and got slapped for it. And David Barron the President said they have asked about geographical divisions before. The articles are out there. You can google them. They clearly want the divisions changed.

All of my stuff read on it are insider articles that I can't copy.

Yeah Spetman spoke out of turn and how he's getting replaced. I know Barron has spoken about getting GT moved into the division to cut down on travel costs. However, I haven't heard him say anything since Louisville is coming in. I wonder if he prefers Louisville to GT.

I don't recall Spetman making any negative remarks. Not to say he didn't but I don't recall them. The two I vividly recall expressing FSU's unhappiness were BOT member Andy Haggard and football coach Jimbo Fisher.

And both of them focused solely on how bad the TV contract was and that too somehow "favored" the UNC schools.

Cheers,
Neil

Spetman's comments were ill-timed. The ACC was in the cross-hairs with the B1G, SEC, and Big 12. The league was trying to build solidarity and he starts talking about wanting to be in the SEC.

I think there was an article on Warchant than Barron wanted GT in their division to cut down on travel. However, when Louisville joined the conference he stopped talking about it. I think FSU wants to be paired with Louisville.

I read Warchant regularly and you can google Warchant articles.

Google Warchant Spetman and see what comes up.

Then google Warchant Haggard. That article comes up.

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1364755

The Fisher comments were in an Orlando Sentinel article:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...r-acc-s-tv

And both of those articles came out right after Spetman talked with the Orlando Sentinel about the rumors not being true.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...dy-spetman

As I understand it Spetman was a 'yes' man for Barron.

Again, not saying he didn't say something about FSU being unhappy in the ACC but I don't recall it and I can't seem to google it either.

Maybe someone else out there can find it?

Cheers,
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RE: Another Divisional Discussion
(06-07-2013 05:28 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:01 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:53 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They clearly have lower standards than they brag about then.

And you wonder why everyone complains about you. You ruin good thread after good thread by attacking individuals and trashing schools, when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Everything we talked about had to do with the divisions. It is his fault that all his points were proven wrong.

I don't care if people complain about me. It's a message board. You don't matter to me and I don't matter to you.

My fault? I'm not the one whining about things I can't change. And I don't think you proved me wrong at all.
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(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

It's not about you existing. It is about FSU being stuck with BC. BC is fine for regional teams. They are never going to be an exciting matchup and they will never be a rivalry for FSU.

That is what some of you don't understand. College football is about regional rivalries. Are there are few historic national rivalries? Sure. ND vs USC is one. But the overwhelming majority of them are regional rivalries built from years of playing each other while being schools that are similar in some way.

So a private school in fricken Boston is about an unappealing of an annual game as you can get for a Florida school in college football.

You just can't help being wrong. Last I checked, Miami is a Florida school and they like playing BC.
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RE: Another Divisional Discussion
(06-07-2013 05:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:28 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:01 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:53 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They clearly have lower standards than they brag about then.

And you wonder why everyone complains about you. You ruin good thread after good thread by attacking individuals and trashing schools, when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Everything we talked about had to do with the divisions. It is his fault that all his points were proven wrong.

I don't care if people complain about me. It's a message board. You don't matter to me and I don't matter to you.

My fault? I'm not the one whining about things I can't change. And I don't think you proved me wrong at all.

You said GT/FSU barely played before FSU got in the ACC. I showed you that GT/VA met half the times (4 to 8) before GT entered the ACC.

You said BC matters to FSU when they are good and pointed to the 80 K attendance in 2006. I said FSU has a lot of high attendance numbers. You defeated your own point when you cited BC from last year having around the same exact numbers . Has a lot more to do with FSU fans caring about FSU rather than BC.

Then you acted like BC and GT were similar opponents in regards to FSU which couldnt' be further from the truth. Again learn about regional rivalries in college football.

Yeah I'd say your points were shot down pretty good.
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
He never said they were unhappy. All he said was it would be nice to be in the SEC. Just didn't sound right with everything else going on.
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(06-07-2013 05:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

It's not about you existing. It is about FSU being stuck with BC. BC is fine for regional teams. They are never going to be an exciting matchup and they will never be a rivalry for FSU.

That is what some of you don't understand. College football is about regional rivalries. Are there are few historic national rivalries? Sure. ND vs USC is one. But the overwhelming majority of them are regional rivalries built from years of playing each other while being schools that are similar in some way.

So a private school in fricken Boston is about an unappealing of an annual game as you can get for a Florida school in college football.

You just can't help being wrong. Last I checked, Miami is a Florida school and they like playing BC.

Miami is a NE school housed in Florida. Again you really need to start following college football because you are really not knowledgable at all. Miami has a huge alumni base in the NE part of the US (like Boston/NY).

Miami is New York with warm weather. It isn't the deep South like FSU. 2 different cultures.
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
(06-07-2013 04:59 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:51 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Randy Spetman went off on wanting to join the SEC and got slapped for it. And David Barron the President said they have asked about geographical divisions before. The articles are out there. You can google them. They clearly want the divisions changed.

All of my stuff read on it are insider articles that I can't copy.

Yeah Spetman spoke out of turn and how he's getting replaced. I know Barron has spoken about getting GT moved into the division to cut down on travel costs. However, I haven't heard him say anything since Louisville is coming in. I wonder if he prefers Louisville to GT.

Like I said, you need to learn about college football. Your knowledge is so poor that you should really research before you post.

In those comments Barron made about GT he said he wanted them in division and they have talked about geographical divisions multiple times. And he said each time that the VA schools shoot them down.

So yes we know who the power brokers are in the ACC. FSU clearly doesn't want these divisions.
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(06-07-2013 05:35 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:28 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:01 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 04:53 PM)Ragu Wrote:  They clearly have lower standards than they brag about then.

And you wonder why everyone complains about you. You ruin good thread after good thread by attacking individuals and trashing schools, when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Everything we talked about had to do with the divisions. It is his fault that all his points were proven wrong.

I don't care if people complain about me. It's a message board. You don't matter to me and I don't matter to you.

My fault? I'm not the one whining about things I can't change. And I don't think you proved me wrong at all.

You said GT/FSU barely played before FSU got in the ACC. I showed you that GT/VA met half the times (4 to 8) before GT entered the ACC.

You said BC matters to FSU when they are good and pointed to the 80 K attendance in 2006. I said FSU has a lot of high attendance numbers. You defeated your own point when you cited BC from last year having around the same exact numbers . Has a lot more to do with FSU fans caring about FSU rather than BC.

Then you acted like BC and GT were similar opponents in regards to FSU which couldnt' be further from the truth. Again learn about regional rivalries in college football.

Yeah I'd say your points were shot down pretty good.

I only brought up GT/FSU because you make it sound like there's some historical rivalry that the ACC isn't allowing to happen. The fact of the matter is there is no rivalry.

You said FSU has high numbers and I showed you additional games where they didn't. BC even outdrew Clemson one year. Please FSU isn't selling out all their home games. When BC is good sellout. When they are not good, not a sellout but still pretty high.

Any administrator at FSU opposed to playing BC? No.
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RE: Another Divisional Discussion
(06-07-2013 05:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

It's not about you existing. It is about FSU being stuck with BC. BC is fine for regional teams. They are never going to be an exciting matchup and they will never be a rivalry for FSU.

That is what some of you don't understand. College football is about regional rivalries. Are there are few historic national rivalries? Sure. ND vs USC is one. But the overwhelming majority of them are regional rivalries built from years of playing each other while being schools that are similar in some way.

So a private school in fricken Boston is about an unappealing of an annual game as you can get for a Florida school in college football.

You just can't help being wrong. Last I checked, Miami is a Florida school and they like playing BC.

BC would love to play Miami more, but, that's life in a conference. BC is losing a lot of games with Notre Dame to accommodate the rotating schedule. Pitt/BC games will be a rarity in the future; there were 28 games between the 2 schools from 1970 - 2004. The simple fact is....you can't get everything you want when there's compromise. I do feel for FSU fans not being able to play their closest conference rival, but, it's not like FSU is the only school making sacrifices to participate in the ACC.
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(06-07-2013 05:37 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:30 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:24 PM)jmc79er Wrote:  All I can say, Ragu, is sorry we exist. Takes mighty thick skin to come on this site sometimes as a BC fan....very little love coming our way.

By the way, BC is a football-first school. Now, football-first from a New England perspective is a bit different than the Southern definition, but, make no mistake about it....football is the #1 priority at BC.

Granted, we have SUCKED the last few years, but, I think that's mostly due to an arrogant AD who couldn't admit a mistake in hiring Spaz. Our recruiting thus far this year has been very strong so maybe we won't be down long. Thus far, BC is ranked #15 in Rivals; 13 overall commitments with 1 4* and 11 3*. I know that's not great from an FSU perspective, but, is very competitive nationally.

It's not about you existing. It is about FSU being stuck with BC. BC is fine for regional teams. They are never going to be an exciting matchup and they will never be a rivalry for FSU.

That is what some of you don't understand. College football is about regional rivalries. Are there are few historic national rivalries? Sure. ND vs USC is one. But the overwhelming majority of them are regional rivalries built from years of playing each other while being schools that are similar in some way.

So a private school in fricken Boston is about an unappealing of an annual game as you can get for a Florida school in college football.

You just can't help being wrong. Last I checked, Miami is a Florida school and they like playing BC.

Miami is a NE school housed in Florida. Again you really need to start following college football because you are really not knowledgable at all. Miami has a huge alumni base in the NE part of the US (like Boston/NY).

Miami is New York with warm weather. It isn't the deep South like FSU. 2 different cultures.

You said Florida school. Miami is a school in Florida. I don't care if they like playing NE schools.

Just get over your issues. BC is staying on the schedule and it looks like alot of FSU fans are completely fine with it
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
Here is the link to an article on Warchant from summer of 2012. It may not work though because it may be insider. But I can copy the first paragraph because they do that on previews anyways...

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1373740

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SARASOTA - Florida State President Eric Barron suggested that playing higher profile out of conference football games, winning more in the Atlantic Coast Conference, realigning the ACC divisions and keeping a close eye on the pending BCS playoff format are "keys to success" for FSU in the future during a conference realignment presentation to the FSU Board of Trustees on Thursday. "
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(06-07-2013 05:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:35 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:28 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(06-07-2013 05:01 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  And you wonder why everyone complains about you. You ruin good thread after good thread by attacking individuals and trashing schools, when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

Everything we talked about had to do with the divisions. It is his fault that all his points were proven wrong.

I don't care if people complain about me. It's a message board. You don't matter to me and I don't matter to you.

My fault? I'm not the one whining about things I can't change. And I don't think you proved me wrong at all.

You said GT/FSU barely played before FSU got in the ACC. I showed you that GT/VA met half the times (4 to 8) before GT entered the ACC.

You said BC matters to FSU when they are good and pointed to the 80 K attendance in 2006. I said FSU has a lot of high attendance numbers. You defeated your own point when you cited BC from last year having around the same exact numbers . Has a lot more to do with FSU fans caring about FSU rather than BC.

Then you acted like BC and GT were similar opponents in regards to FSU which couldnt' be further from the truth. Again learn about regional rivalries in college football.

Yeah I'd say your points were shot down pretty good.

I only brought up GT/FSU because you make it sound like there's some historical rivalry that the ACC isn't allowing to happen. The fact of the matter is there is no rivalry.

You said FSU has high numbers and I showed you additional games where they didn't. BC even outdrew Clemson one year. Please FSU isn't selling out all their home games. When BC is good sellout. When they are not good, not a sellout but still pretty high.

Any administrator at FSU opposed to playing BC? No.

The difference was like 2k for the 2 BC games you brought up!

GT/UVA wasn't a historical rivalry either. Now it is. They played half the times that FSU/GT played before becoming conference mates. And VT played GT once before 2004. People say that already is looking like a brewing rivalry. Gee do you think FSU/GT could become a rivalry too. Of course.
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RE: UVA AD: Current ACC divisions a non- issue
So let me get this straight, FSU will raise a stink about looking at different conferences because of media contracts, making more money, stronger football conference, yada yada yada. It's all over the news and everyone's talking about it. Yet they have this supposed big issue with the divisions are there's hardly a peep about it and they aren't saying anything now. Yeah right.....
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