(06-26-2013 06:53 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  1. $88 million of that is just for the building. Big whoop.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-hock...10aaa.html

2. The weakest program doesn't define a conference. Merrimack is a division 2 school who had to play in division 1 since there's no such thing as division 2 hockey. They seem to be fine.

3. Who gives a ****, they'll never play each other outside the Frozen Four. College lax really? I forget who exactly lost power status? Are you making this statement because Duke won a couple of titles? Ebb and flow here as teams don't stay on top forever.

1. You missed the point. I don't claim that PSU allocated $100 million to hockey on a yearly basis (read my other posts if you don't believe me). My point is that they can throw down $100 million in a year and not blink. Can Vermont? Can Maine? Can BU? Can Prov.? Can UMASS (either Lowell or Amherst)? Can Northeastern? Will over 100,000 people show up to any of those games? Depending on who you ask, Michigan got between 104,173 and 113,411 to show up to a game against Michigan State. Wisconsin and Minnesota has a game with over 50,000 against Minnesota and over 40,000 against Ohio State. Penn State has about 45,000 students in State College, and another 55,000 students system-wide. Which Hockey East school can match that? Ohio State has about 55,000 people in Columbus. Remind me which Hockey Easy school has over 50,000 students? This is sad, but it's true. I bet most Americans couldn't tell you where Vermont was on the map (admittedly a lot of them would mix it up with New Hampshire), and the overwhelming majority of Americans (even in the northeast) couldn't tell you the mascot of either Vermont or New Hampshire. How many people do you think don't know who Ohio State is? Michigan? Michigan State? Penn State? Wisconsin? Minnesota? Take BC and ND out of Hockey East and fan support seems to drop fast when compared to the Midwestern monoliths that makeup the BIG TEN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ice...attendance

2. Pick a school. Without saying either "ND" or "BC," who is going to matchup favorably with Michigan, MSU, OSU, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Penn State over the long run?

3. That's like fielding a football team and saying "we're OK, because we won't have to play any B1G or SEC teams." That isn't a good thing and very much my point. And no, I'm not talking about Duke. I'm talking more about the fact that SU missed a FF after making 22 straight and almost graduated a class who had never been to a FF for the first time in something like over 30 years. I'm talking about UVA, who didn't even make the tourney this year. I'm talking about JH who went from absolutely dominant to fighting for #3, and was even forced to join the B1G. That isn't exactly "ebb and flow." But to answer your question about losing power status, arguably Princeton lost power status. To pretend like smaller schools won't get brushed aside with increased competition is naïve. There's nothing that any of the smaller Hockey East schools have that Cornell, Colgate, Pratt, and countless others didn't also have.

(06-26-2013 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Thank god for Syracuse you don't have anything to do with running their university. Astonishingly stupid is right. Believe what you want, it isn't getting you an ACC hockey league, ever.

Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

(06-26-2013 11:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 09:36 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Wake has the fourth most conference championships in men's basketball and baseball in the ACC. We also have the same number of football titles as Virginia.

Who cares that we have not racked up 20+ titles in sports like swimming, wrestling, track and cross country like other schools in the ACC? When was the last time NC State won an ACC title in anything? 1993?

BTW, Wake Forest has more national championships than Florida State, Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Georgia Tech or Virginia Tech (more than BC, State, GT and VT combined).

I don't want to turn this into a me bashing Wake thread, because I have nothing against Wake. However, to pretend like Wake has a history of having an exceptionally competitive athletic department is a little much. WF has (at least arguably) the 12th worst football program in the country and under half the ACC championships of the next lowest of the original members, excluding USCarolina for obvious reasons. Those are facts.

Like I said, I have nothing against Wake and I hope that they do well, but just like Syracuse football isn't on the same level as Alabama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame football, WF isn't the cream of the ACC crop.

They have done admirably well give their circumstances, but they are fighting an uphill battle because of their size. To say that they aren't is foolish.

(06-26-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Thank god for Syracuse you don't have anything to do with running their university. Astonishingly stupid is right. Believe what you want, it isn't getting you an ACC hockey league, ever.

Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

I'm done with you. I've already touched on it above. You are the one that has said zero of substance or in any basis of reality. Anyone that dismisses the cost of scholarships clearly doesn't know what the hell they are talking about and has no experience in higher education.

(06-26-2013 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Thank god for Syracuse you don't have anything to do with running their university. Astonishingly stupid is right. Believe what you want, it isn't getting you an ACC hockey league, ever.

Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

I'm done with you. I've already touched on it above. You are the one that has said zero of substance or in any basis of reality. Anyone that dismisses the cost of scholarships clearly doesn't know what you are talking about and has no experience in higher education.

Yup. Once again, nothing of substance and more insults.

Moving money from my right hand to my left hand doesn't make me any richer or poorer. That's a fact.

(06-26-2013 04:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Thank god for Syracuse you don't have anything to do with running their university. Astonishingly stupid is right. Believe what you want, it isn't getting you an ACC hockey league, ever.

Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

I'm done with you. I've already touched on it above. You are the one that has said zero of substance or in any basis of reality. Anyone that dismisses the cost of scholarships clearly doesn't know what you are talking about and has no experience in higher education.

Yup. Once again, nothing of substance and more insults.

Moving money from my right hand to my left hand doesn't make me any richer or poorer. That's a fact.

You are adding expenses by adding student-athletes, dumb ass. They don't get educated at no cost. You are treading in the world of B12 kooks. Congratulations. Syracuse can print gazillions based on accounting. Please let me know what accounting firm you work for so I am sure to avoid it.

(06-26-2013 04:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Thank god for Syracuse you don't have anything to do with running their university. Astonishingly stupid is right. Believe what you want, it isn't getting you an ACC hockey league, ever.

Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

I'm done with you. I've already touched on it above. You are the one that has said zero of substance or in any basis of reality. Anyone that dismisses the cost of scholarships clearly doesn't know what you are talking about and has no experience in higher education.

Yup. Once again, nothing of substance and more insults.

Moving money from my right hand to my left hand doesn't make me any richer or poorer. That's a fact.

You are adding expenses by adding students, dumb ass. You are treading in the world of B12 kooks. Congratulations. Syracuse can print gazillions based on accounting. Please let me know what accounting firm you work for so I am sure to avoid it.

Once again, more insults. Stop throwing insults and show me the error of my ways if you're so confident. Transaction costs aside, how is money lost at an organizational level when money is shifted from one department to another department within the same organization.

(06-26-2013 04:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:15 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:13 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 04:11 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Like I said, you hurl insults but you can't say anything substantive. Elaborate on how moving money from one department in an organization to another department in an organization costs the overall organization money (transaction costs aside). Also, you still haven't even attempted to show how non-main sports cost $15 million/yr.

I challenge you to say anything of substance. Honestly, say anything.

I'm done with you. I've already touched on it above. You are the one that has said zero of substance or in any basis of reality. Anyone that dismisses the cost of scholarships clearly doesn't know what you are talking about and has no experience in higher education.

Yup. Once again, nothing of substance and more insults.

Moving money from my right hand to my left hand doesn't make me any richer or poorer. That's a fact.

You are adding expenses by adding students, dumb ass. You are treading in the world of B12 kooks. Congratulations. Syracuse can print gazillions based on accounting. Please let me know what accounting firm you work for so I am sure to avoid it.

Once again, more insults. Stop throwing insults and show me the error of my ways if you're so confident. Transaction costs aside, how is money lost at an organizational level when money is shifted from one department to another department within the same organization.

Show you what? You aren't dealing with any reality found in this world. Why don't you show me where the money to pay for the faculty and staff salaries, for support services, the overhead, supplies, and infrastructure come from to educate all these extra students you want to add to play hockey...and the reality is it is a lot more expensive to add student athletes which require additional support than you typical joe scmoe Rhodes Scholar candidate that gets a full ride. If it doesn't come from the AD's revenues, or subsidies from the school's general fund, then where does it come from? If you are adding a million in subsidies that university supplies to the AD for these scholarships, than what else has to get cut in your world? I guess no academic department is going to complain if their budget gets chopped in order to move money to a hockey program. Are you going to raise tuition and fees to cover it? You think that is going to go down well when tuition inflation nationally is already around 5%. Maybe you will, but no university in the country, that is at all fiscally healthy, operates in the manner you are supposing by simply zeroing out scholarship expenses. My lord.

(06-25-2013 04:43 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Syracuse already has an on-campus practice arena (where our women's team plays) and is located about 3 blocks from a city-owned ice rink that is about to be rebuilt/undergo major renovations (where the local minor league teams plays).

War Memorial is actually owned by the county, not the city. Where did you hear it was going to undergo "major renovations" though?? I'm not in Syracuse, so a bit out of the loop, but that would shock me if true.