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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
Guess the guy should have a right to express his feelings.
We have too many people wanting to be too PC. Many
take the "high ground" instead because they are afraid to
support freedom of speech. Too controversial. Can go both
ways as well.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-07-2013 09:57 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Guess the guy should have a right to express his feelings.
We have too many people wanting to be too PC. Many
take the "high ground" instead because they are afraid to
support freedom of speech. Too controversial. Can go both
ways as well.

I think he was just trying to get attention. Everyone should have the right to free speech but don't the sponsors of the parade have the right to set the rules about what is displayed at their parade?
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
If a parade float had something about "Black History Month", would it have been racists? Of course not, but that's the double standard we live with today.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-07-2013 07:50 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 07:39 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I am new here, and I don't want to step on any toes, but how is this any more racist than having a Black history month, or Hispanic History month? How about politicians that openly talk about advancing their race?

Black history month isn't racist in my opinion. Seeing as the majority of history is white history given the role blacks had in society until after the civil war. Black history calls attention to accomplishments blacks have made that would not otherwise make it into a history lesson.

Frederick Douglas, MLK and Rosa Parks will make it into most any general history curriculum. But there are specifics about slavery and the civil rights movement that ought to be taught. Having a month dedicated to that ensures those contributions are known.

Talk about the revolution and it's George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and others. The civil war Abe Lincoln, REL, USG and others. WWI is Woodrow Wilson, The Kaiser, Black Jack Pershing. WWII is FDR, Eisenhower, Patton, Marshall, Bradley and Truman and others. Whites have dominated society, and as a result history, throughout the centuries. So most every aspect of history will be dominated by whites. Having black history month in recognition of those blacks who also made major contributions to our history is a good thing in my opinion. The intent isn't to elevate blacks over whites. Then it would be racist.

Well said.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If a parade float had something about "Black History Month", would it have been racists? Of course not, but that's the double standard we live with today.

I think a white guy on a tractor with a confederate flag on it, pulling a trailer of watermelons with a sign "Celebrate Black History month" would probably have come across as racist to many. 03-lmfao
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-07-2013 09:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I am not trying to be combative, but couldn't the same be said for having a white history month?

I would say no given the aforementioned fact that nearly all of our history is dominated by whites. And I don't think you're being combative, we're just having a discussion. 04-cheers

Quote:History is just that, history. For there to be true equality, we cannot grant certain groups special recognition and a pass to celebrate their heritage while denying another group that same right to recognition.

No one is "denying" anyone anything. The existence of black history month doesn't deny you the ability to celebrate white history. But my question still remains, if tomorrow you could establish white history month what would that look like? What is "white" heritage? What is "white" pride? Like I said I'm white and I have no idea how you would quantify that.

And I have no problem with special recognition being granted to black history month because doing so in no way takes away from me as a white person. I've never been much on participation trophies, so it doesn't bother me.

Quote: I just want to make it clear that IMO, being proud of your race and culture is not being racist until you try to use that to put down another race or culture.

I agree. And I would say black history month doesn't do that.

But we can agree to disagree. No issue with that.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 08:13 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If a parade float had something about "Black History Month", would it have been racists? Of course not, but that's the double standard we live with today.

I think a white guy on a tractor with a confederate flag on it, pulling a trailer of watermelons with a sign "Celebrate Black History month" would probably have come across as racist to many. 03-lmfao

Well, since you put it that way, I agree. Still, there is a double standard when it comes to these type things.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 08:27 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 08:13 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If a parade float had something about "Black History Month", would it have been racists? Of course not, but that's the double standard we live with today.

I think a white guy on a tractor with a confederate flag on it, pulling a trailer of watermelons with a sign "Celebrate Black History month" would probably have come across as racist to many. 03-lmfao

Well, since you put it that way, I agree. Still, there is a double standard when it comes to these type things.

Agree totally.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
Everyone that puts an exhibit into a parade is looking for attention.
Doesn't mean that that precludes someone making a statement also.
Attention could come in many ways, could be done verbally, this is just done
by exhibition.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 09:08 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Everyone that puts an exhibit into a parade is looking for attention.
Doesn't mean that that precludes someone making a statement also.
Attention could come in many ways, could be done verbally, this is just done
by exhibition.

You would think someone had to approve this exhibition first.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
There would be no problem if this was a gay pride anything. The man has a right to his opinion, and though uncomfortable, it is his free speech right.

Such a non-issue and 50 responses. My gosh.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
People are looking for racism everywhere. Seems to be a national pastime.
Racism will always be with us. Always has been.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  If a parade float had something about "Black History Month", would it have been racists? Of course not, but that's the double standard we live with today.

Here's a southern white guy selling fried chicken. Is he a racist? One guy sells watermelons and with no other info an assumption is made that he might be an agitator and not a farmer. The double standard is huge.

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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 11:40 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here's a southern white guy selling fried chicken. Is he a racist? One guy sells watermelons and with no other info an assumption is made that he might be an agitator and not a farmer. The double standard is huge.

Actually there was some other info.

Quote:A picture snapped by a parade-goer shows a man on a tractor flying a confederate flag and pulling a wagon loaded with watermelons. A sign on the trailer read: "White History Month. Hug WTE PPL."

So, there were a few other details to be considered.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
It's not the type of pants you put on in the morning or the color of your skin
that makes you either a good person or a bad person. When I worked up
North I ran into more racists than I ever had anywhere, even overseas.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-08-2013 11:44 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:40 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here's a southern white guy selling fried chicken. Is he a racist? One guy sells watermelons and with no other info an assumption is made that he might be an agitator and not a farmer. The double standard is huge.

Actually there was some other info.

Quote:A picture snapped by a parade-goer shows a man on a tractor flying a confederate flag and pulling a wagon loaded with watermelons. A sign on the trailer read: "White History Month. Hug WTE PPL."

So, there were a few other details to be considered.

You're making the same argument Zman's prosecutor is; taking otherwise legal/unobjectionable actions and making them look worse than they are.
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(07-08-2013 11:50 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:44 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(07-08-2013 11:40 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here's a southern white guy selling fried chicken. Is he a racist? One guy sells watermelons and with no other info an assumption is made that he might be an agitator and not a farmer. The double standard is huge.

Actually there was some other info.

Quote:A picture snapped by a parade-goer shows a man on a tractor flying a confederate flag and pulling a wagon loaded with watermelons. A sign on the trailer read: "White History Month. Hug WTE PPL."

So, there were a few other details to be considered.

You're making the same argument Zman's prosecutor is; taking otherwise legal/unobjectionable actions and making them look worse than they are.

You asked for people's opinion smn did you not?

I never said what he did was illegal. "Unobjectionable" is a matter of opinion though. And I stated that I find it completely plausible it was done in ignorance not understanding the implications of what he was doing.

But the point remains, to say there was "no other" information, that it was just a guy pulling watermelons is not the case.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
(07-07-2013 07:24 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  This can't be racism, everybody else does it, right?

Quote:HOPE MILLS, N.C. (WTVD) -- A Fourth of July parade float is coming under fire after residents believe the message was offensive at a family oriented event.

People lined the streets of Hope Mills Thursday for the community's annual July 4th parade.

A picture snapped by a parade-goer shows a man on a tractor flying a confederate flag and pulling a wagon loaded with watermelons. A sign on the trailer read: "White History Month. Hug WTE PPL."

Town officials told ABC11 that farmer Donnie Spell applied for and received a parade permit. However, officials said Spell told them he would be pulling an antique tractor with a sign that read: "Watermelons for sale" at a nearby bank parking lot.

When ABC11 went to Spell's home, his gate was locked. A neighbor said he didn't think the man was trying to be vicious or funny.

But people that saw the float thought otherwise.

"This should be over, all that stuff should be over. I don't understand why people are still living like this," Hope Mills resident Suzanne Singletary said.

Town officials said they are considering making changes to the registration process so that this does not happen again.

Link to site with video

Racist, no. Prejudiced, yes.
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(07-08-2013 12:09 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Racist, no. Prejudiced, yes.

I think this is a good point to bring out. Racist indicates you know the guy's motivation for doing what he did. We don't so I it's not fair to say it was racist. I amend to say I think it was prejudiced.
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RE: Is this racism? If so, why?
Or he thinks that white people should have a history month if other races do
and figured a flag that many whites fought and died for was a symbol of that.
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