(07-18-2013 07:19 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 07:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  SEC isn't going to take both OU and OSU.

There is just no way we spend two extremely valuable spots on one small market state with no fertile recruiting.

I think OU is way too tied down to both OSU and UT to ditch both to try for the SEC. (Not to mention that OU admin has no interest in the SEC because they know the fans expect a level of winning OU most likely won't have in the SEC)

IMO the fans might prefer SEC but the Texoma 4 to the PAC or staying in the B12 are really the only feasible options for them

I think they would take OSU if they couldn't get Texas to come along. I personally would like to keep the RRSO and ditch all other ties with the Longhorns.

If Texas went ACC you could have the RRSO every year as an OOC game. The same is true if they go to the PAC or Big 10.

(07-18-2013 07:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 07:19 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 07:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  SEC isn't going to take both OU and OSU.

There is just no way we spend two extremely valuable spots on one small market state with no fertile recruiting.

I think OU is way too tied down to both OSU and UT to ditch both to try for the SEC. (Not to mention that OU admin has no interest in the SEC because they know the fans expect a level of winning OU most likely won't have in the SEC)

IMO the fans might prefer SEC but the Texoma 4 to the PAC or staying in the B12 are really the only feasible options for them

I think they would take OSU if they couldn't get Texas to come along. I personally would like to keep the RRSO and ditch all other ties with the Longhorns.

If Texas went ACC you could have the RRSO every year as an OOC game. The same is true if they go to the PAC or Big 10.

I would like to keep that game, but the RRSO could be made up by adding rivals like Alabama, LSU and a border war with Arkansas. Let the Pac have Texas. All our AAU members left for the SEC anyway.

(07-18-2013 07:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 06:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 05:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 02:49 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 01:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I've debated this to death. But it boils down to culture, natural rivals and proximity. States like California and Arizona have college football. We are college football. Living in both regions, I can tell you firsthand that OU would lose its brand out west. Its natural rivals are its eastern next door neighbors.

Exactly. Oklahoma's future lies in its football past. Texas, OSU, and Arkansas are the 3 most prominent, maybe aTm. PAC12 and B1G would be huge mistakes, and the ACC make less sense than the SEC. If Texas and OU went separate ways, it'd be nice to see OU/OSU get an SEC invite. That's of course from an OU fan's perspective.

Who knows what will happen but I have played with many scenarios and the one that balances the SEC the best is this one (balance only now, not what is best for markets).

West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
South: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
North: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Why not just have a west and east?

To be able to play all of the schools in three years and have 1 permanent rival (which will still be essential we will need a 9 game conference schedule and 1/2 divisions (or pods) with a regular rotation.

Ah. I see now.

(07-18-2013 07:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  SEC isn't going to take both OU and OSU.

There is just no way we spend two extremely valuable spots on one small market state with no fertile recruiting.

I think OU is way too tied down to both OSU and UT to ditch both to try for the SEC. (Not to mention that OU admin has no interest in the SEC because they know the fans expect a level of winning OU most likely won't have in the SEC)

IMO the fans might prefer SEC but the Texoma 4 to the PAC or staying in the B12 are really the only feasible options for them

I understand why you are saying this, but there is a flip side. OU is a share leader in the DFW market. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are top 25 revenue generators. Right now outside of taking Texas there are no other pairs that would give the SEC two more top 25 revenue generators. OU of course is top 10. Only a pairing of North Carolina and Virginia Tech would be close, and only that tandem gives us better demographics. But I don't think that North Carolina is interested, or that the ACC will be poached again (in the foreseeable future anyway) so both of those are out. You tell me where outside of a pair of Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State we are going to find two teams that generate that much revenue for selections #15 & #16. In the end game if you can make two selections of teams in the top 25 money makers you've finished on a stellar note.

We've agreed that of the remaining non-ACC teams that the SEC would likely be interested in only these if we are stopping at 16: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Oklahoma State, West Virginia and if only to pick up another state if all else fails, Kansas State. Out of that lineup any combination of the top 3 is a coup, any combination of the one of the top 3 and one of the last three is a win, and any combination of the last 3 is a make do to 16. So, other than Kansas for a new state, Oklahoma / Oklahoma State is a great get. Oklahoma / West Virginia is a great get if Oklahoma and OSU can be split, but that's a big if.

Which is all good in theory, but it ignores the simple reality that in 10 years, the B12 GOR will expire. UT will talk with the PAC and then tell the B12 "meet this newest demand(s) of ours or we leave and destroy the conference.

Whatever UT ends up doing, OU/OSU/TTU will follow along.

(07-18-2013 08:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Which is all good in theory, but it ignores the simple reality that in 10 years, the B12 GOR will expire. UT will talk with the PAC and then tell the B12 "meet this newest demand(s) of ours or we leave and destroy the conference.

Whatever UT ends up doing, OU/OSU/TTU will follow along.

Click your heels Dorothy. Obviously you'd sell the PAC12 theory as it keeps the schools that dominated aTM in the Big12 from joining the SEC. LOL

(07-18-2013 08:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Which is all good in theory, but it ignores the simple reality that in 10 years, the B12 GOR will expire. UT will talk with the PAC and then tell the B12 "meet this newest demand(s) of ours or we leave and destroy the conference.

Whatever UT ends up doing, OU/OSU/TTU will follow along.

Good god don't string JML along

Dude, it's no secret A&M will vote HELL the EFF NO on any B12 team. Why surrender a recruiting advantage?

But it's not just us, the SEC West will not vote to turn itself into the old B12 South on steroids. There are too many schools used to winning that would not tolerate the losing seasons that came from facing all those powers every year.

UT and OU want to dominate the B12 or PAC east and have no interest in joining the meat grinder of the SEC.

So yeah, pretty confident we don't have to worry about sharing the SEC goodness

(07-18-2013 08:19 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Which is all good in theory, but it ignores the simple reality that in 10 years, the B12 GOR will expire. UT will talk with the PAC and then tell the B12 "meet this newest demand(s) of ours or we leave and destroy the conference.

Whatever UT ends up doing, OU/OSU/TTU will follow along.

Mmm, I'm not so sure about that anymore. Especially with Texas now being irrelevant in football. Boren took a huge slap in the face from fans for looking like Texas' beotch.

If OU ever decides to entertain an offer from Slive and it is profitable for OU to enter the SEC, Texas can pound sand.

They probably would also take OSU. They are a top 25 and the Bedlam game racks up quite a bit of viewership. Not to mention their new found rivals in the SEC.

We'll find out in 12 years I suppose

(07-18-2013 09:20 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  We'll find out in 12 years I suppose

I doubt the Big 12 can last 12 years.

I think it will last to the end of the GOR but past that...anybody's guess

(07-18-2013 10:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it will last to the end of the GOR but past that...anybody's guess

I suspect the GOR will be challenged, prior to its expiration. Which will be interesting if the GOR is negated, especially with how that would affect the ACC GOR, and possible ACC pilfering by other conferences. Could open a real can of worms.

(07-19-2013 10:38 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-18-2013 10:27 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it will last to the end of the GOR but past that...anybody's guess

I suspect the GOR will be challenged, prior to its expiration. Which will be interesting if the GOR is negated, especially with how that would affect the ACC GOR, and possible ACC pilfering by other conferences. Could open a real can of worms.

I agree.

Any thoughts on who challenges first?

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Any thoughts on who challenges first?

Texas, of course.

(07-19-2013 02:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Any thoughts on who challenges first?

Texas, of course.

Makes the most sense.

(07-19-2013 03:44 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 02:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Any thoughts on who challenges first?

Texas, of course.

Makes the most sense.

It's in their nature.

(07-19-2013 04:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:44 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 02:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Any thoughts on who challenges first?

Texas, of course.

Makes the most sense.

It's in their nature.

If Texas did leave the B12 by themselves, would you favor trying to keep the 9 members of the B12 together or migrate to another conference?

Would adding Cincy, USF and/ or UCF and thereby the recruiting areas of Florida & Ohio to the B12 be of interest and be enough to keep the B12 going or would Texas leaving make dissolving the conference inevitable.

(07-19-2013 05:11 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 04:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 03:44 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 02:05 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(07-19-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Any thoughts on who challenges first?

Texas, of course.

Makes the most sense.

It's in their nature.

If Texas did leave the B12 by themselves, would you favor trying to keep the 9 members of the B12 together or migrate to another conference?

Would adding Cincy, USF and/ or UCF and thereby the recruiting areas of Florida & Ohio to the B12 be of interest and be enough to keep the B12 going or would Texas leaving make dissolving the conference inevitable.

I don't see how it could survive without an OU/Texas combo. I would be for the SEC absorbing Oklahoma, OSU, WVU and anyone else they wanted from the conference.