(07-28-2013 11:05 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(07-27-2013 02:37 PM)huskiesnyc Wrote:  "National championships mean nothing as the years go by."[/b] Huh? We win National Championships in multiple sports EVERY year, and yes they mean something. But I can understand why National Championships don't mean anything to a Houston fan.

Your missing the point. UConn hoops both men and women's is very relevant and valuable now. I disagree it is as valuable as you think but I agree it is of considerable monetary value.

My point that it seems needs to be further explained is such...

If say UConn goes Indy in hoops in addition to football and say that they fall on hard times and miss the tourney for say 10 years (before you go there I find it unlikely) but for the point I am trying to explain should you fall from the hard earned and well respected perch aming the best in college hoops you now hold time would not be on your side.

As I explained Army has mutiple Heismans and national championships in football. BYU has a Heisman and a national championship.

They do nothing for them in the current landscape of college sports.

San Francisco has two national championships in the NCAA tourney but are they on anyone's radar? Holy Cross won one as well. Yes they are more than 10 years ago but back to football...

When the first waves of conference realignment happened in the early 90's they were less than 10 years from BYU and their 84 national championship and it didn't save them.

As a fan of UH I can assure you relying on the past will not serve your future. It's a hard lesson we have learned and as has been mention we have 16 national championships among our other sports and nobody cares and the fact that they were some time ago does nothing for us.

Other than being a neat fact does anyone really care that we are 12-2-2 against Florida State? No because we haven't played them since 1978. If we had that type of record in the last 15-20 years that would be way more than a footnote.

The world of college sports now is a world of what have you done for me lately.

Don't assume anything. Don't think your national championships, though they are hard earned and of great pride for your school, don't mean less the farther we are distanced from them.

So, your point is that if UConn goes indy in hoops and IF they fall on hard times and IF they miss the tourney for 10 years . . .

1. Those are some pretty big IFs
2. No one is going to base their planning on those kinds of assumptions.
3. The whole point of going indy in the scenario presented in this thread is to better position the program for moving into the P5 with the hope that UConn will be in a P5 conference within the next 10 years
4. So, IF Uconn craps the bed for the next 10 years, they aren't getting into the P5 anyway, so the whole conversation becomes irrelevant.
5. Obviously UConn has to continue to be successful to upgrade the program, so your worst case scenarios are not the basis for any kind of planning, moving forward.

The point of looking at UConn's championships is that they ARE relevant RIGHT NOW. So, they ARE a useful tool in building relationships, in creating appeal for TV networks, and in setting up a powerful schedule.

Let's look at the other alternative, which is that UConn stays in the AAC. Unless they continue to win national championships, they WILL become irrelevant very quickly because winning the AAC will garner no respect the way that winning the Big East did.

So, the situation you pose about planning for 10 years from now begs the question. The challenge is RIGHT NOW. Upwardly mobile schools from the G5 have to figure out how to maximize their appeal so that they can be positioned for a move up when the next round of realignment comes. It simply is not about the long term security of a G5 conference because all that will guarantee is mediocrity.

The field is very competitive. Only 3 schools have managed to move up in realignment - Utah, TCU, and Louisville. UConn and the rest are all trying to figure out how to be the next to be able to do what those 3 did.

For UConn to be next in line, part of the plan MUST be capitalizing on their basketball success. Comparing them to San Francisco and Holy Cross is beyond absurd. Compare them to Louisville. That makes more sense Louisville was a basketball-first school until recently when they reaped the benefits of a long term program to build their football program into one that is relevant. But make no mistake about it. Basketball was part of Louisville's appeal to the ACC even though they couldn't have done it without football. Those 2 BCS wins were critical to the move up and that's what UConn must aspire to.

So, UConn has choices to make. It must develop a strategy. Winning AAC will not get them into the football playoffs all by itself any more. So, the question is whether they can forge a better path by winning as an independent. If they can use their basketball stature to negotiate football contracts with P5 schools, then that is a better route to relevance than buying into the "security" of the AAC because that is a train bound for nowhere.

(07-28-2013 11:21 PM)FromTheInside Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i love uconn fans who act like their academics are on par with the b10.

i once asked a uconn fan who was adamant about uconn going to the b10 about the aau problem. his response was "well the b10 likes public schools and were the best public school in all of new england"

that was the funniest comment i ever heard

claiming to be the best public school in new england is like claiming to be the best private school in montana

If you list UConn academic stats of any category vs B1G schools thy almost never finish 15th on the list. Most times they are in the middle. What UConn lacks is high research dollars grant wise. That is what they lack to AAU status and grad school stats wise. UConn made some huge investment to that recently so they will quickly rise in that aspect of academics. Then your facts/stats less cheap shot will look ever more stupid. Get some facts and come back to me.

What is relevant today in terms of research dollars is what a school is doing in science. According to the National Science Foundation, UConn ranked #81 nationally in the most recent year reported (2011) in total R&D expenditures for science. See the data at:

http://webcaspar.nsf.gov/profiles/site;j...ce&ds=herd

That ranks UConn behind 10 of the 12 current B1G members but ahead of both Nebraska (85) and Indiana (106). So, they have put themselves in the Big Ten range even if at the lower end of it.

In terms of looking ahead, UConn will be taking a huge step forward as a result of a major initiative by the state to invest in Bioscience. Already underway, the project is partnering with The Jackson Laboratory for Genomic Medicine of Bar Harbor, Maine to build a major research center on the UConn Health Center campus, which will upon completion create 331 research jobs in this emerging 21st century field. This is a $1.1 billion project with $800 coming from federal and private grants funneled through the Jackson Lab, a private National Cancer Institute-designated Cancer Center with facilities in Maine and California. The building itself will be completed within the next 18 months.

The state is committed to making UConn one of the top public research universities in the country. With the highest per capita income in the country, connecticut has the resources to do this. The Jackson Lab project is a concrete step in this direction. Upon completion, it will result in UConn's research profile taking major steps forward.

The comparison to Montana's private schools is laughable. Connecticut is home to United Technologies and the university already has partnerships with them. UT is the leading researcher in the world in fuel cell development, another emerging 21st century technology. Being a center for research on the human genome AND fuel cells thrusts UConn into a position of prominence for forward looking 21st century projects which will increasingly attract grant dollars.

(07-28-2013 08:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i love uconn fans who act like their academics are on par with the b10.

i once asked a uconn fan who was adamant about uconn going to the b10 about the aau problem. his response was "well the b10 likes public schools and were the best public school in all of new england"

that was the funniest comment i ever heard

claiming to be the best public school in new england is like claiming to be the best private school in montana

It is far better to remain silent and have people wonder if you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

(07-29-2013 02:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  So, your point is that if UConn goes indy in hoops and IF they fall on hard times and IF they miss the tourney for 10 years . . .

1. Those are some pretty big IFs
2. No one is going to base their planning on those kinds of assumptions.
3. The whole point of going indy in the scenario presented in this thread is to better position the program for moving into the P5 with the hope that UConn will be in a P5 conference within the next 10 years
4. So, IF Uconn craps the bed for the next 10 years, they aren't getting into the P5 anyway, so the whole conversation becomes irrelevant.
5. Obviously UConn has to continue to be successful to upgrade the program, so your worst case scenarios are not the basis for any kind of planning, moving forward.

The point of looking at UConn's championships is that they ARE relevant RIGHT NOW. So, they ARE a useful tool in building relationships, in creating appeal for TV networks, and in setting up a powerful schedule.

Let's look at the other alternative, which is that UConn stays in the AAC. Unless they continue to win national championships, they WILL become irrelevant very quickly because winning the AAC will garner no respect the way that winning the Big East did.

So, the situation you pose about planning for 10 years from now begs the question. The challenge is RIGHT NOW. Upwardly mobile schools from the G5 have to figure out how to maximize their appeal so that they can be positioned for a move up when the next round of realignment comes. It simply is not about the long term security of a G5 conference because all that will guarantee is mediocrity.

The field is very competitive. Only 3 schools have managed to move up in realignment - Utah, TCU, and Louisville. UConn and the rest are all trying to figure out how to be the next to be able to do what those 3 did.

For UConn to be next in line, part of the plan MUST be capitalizing on their basketball success. Comparing them to San Francisco and Holy Cross is beyond absurd. Compare them to Louisville. That makes more sense Louisville was a basketball-first school until recently when they reaped the benefits of a long term program to build their football program into one that is relevant. But make no mistake about it. Basketball was part of Louisville's appeal to the ACC even though they couldn't have done it without football. Those 2 BCS wins were critical to the move up and that's what UConn must aspire to.

So, UConn has choices to make. It must develop a strategy. Winning AAC will not get them into the football playoffs all by itself any more. So, the question is whether they can forge a better path by winning as an independent. If they can use their basketball stature to negotiate football contracts with P5 schools, then that is a better route to relevance than buying into the "security" of the AAC because that is a train bound for nowhere.

Missing the point yet again.......... The whole 10 year thing was an arbitrary number I pulled out of the air to have a benchmark to further illustrate my point. However since you seem to be harping on this one irrelevant number fine I will address.....

You have to think long term. So yes 10 years is a good benchmark to plan for. It’s far enough down the road but no so far off that it is impossible to prepare for.

Say UConn goes indy in basketball in 2014. Could they survive in 2014? By all means yes. Could they survive in 2015? Yes again.... It’s years like 4,5,6 down the road.... where the lack of a conference tournament and conference games can (and likely will) start to hurt your RPI.

There is exactly one D1 independent basketball program (New Jersey Institute of Technology) and they are not lighting up the world of men’s (or women’s) basketball.

Yes, you can pull together an impressive OOC slate and even translate that into a full season if you needed to now and in the short term but fortunes change. Contracts/Agreements can be bought out or voided for any number of reasons. No other school owes UConn anything they are not obligated to play you because it would be an intriguing matchup. Should you either maintain your high level of excellence (too difficult a matchup) or fall on hard times (not worth the time) you will get dropped like a bad habit.

You will still get the token game here and there (every school gets a few) but as for a full slate of around 30 (minus the few warm-ups everyone does) games of elite level competition good luck with that coming to fruition.

Don’t confuse my opposing view as anything negative towards UConn. They enjoy elite hoops and nobody paying the least amount of attention does see that. It’s just this old adage is very apt in this situation you are proposing…..

Hope for the best but plan for the worst.

You have to aspire (as we all do) for the best your university can be. Just be more realistic in your expectations be that the value of an independent contract in football and basketball or the schedule you can put together over the long haul. Realize that a conference tie is essential when it comes to the basketball tournament.

Just for one last example say in a bad year UConn went 12-18 but then won the conference tourney (of whatever conference they were in) then they get in and have a chance to win the NC and keep UConn basketball in the eyes of the fans across the country. An independent UConn going 12-18 would not make the tournament regardless of what slate you were able to put together.

By all means the Big East was a better basketball (and probably football) conference than the AAC. If UConn chose to go indy in FB and moved everything else to the Big East I think that would be very profitable for them not in the 25-30 million range but still considerably more than the AAC gets.

I hope this finally explains the point that still seems to be missed by everyone. Regardless of how it all goes down (even if that means that you do go indy in both sports) I wish UConn the best I have no ill will towards you. Just some words of advice from a school that was once on the “inside” and has lived on the outside for a while now.

(07-29-2013 01:58 AM)FromTheInside Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 01:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 11:36 PM)FromTheInside Wrote:  Since 2004 when UConn joined the Big East in football:

UConn is 30-38 vs p5 teams. Not great but this was its first fbs years. Meanwhile good ole boy Cuse during this time went 21-51. I included uconn as p5 for sake of argument. Cuse went 3-6 vs UConn in this stretch fwiw. Several beat downs on a good ole boy from a new team in the game.

Should I even bother to get Louisville or WVUs stats out?

Going to take your stats as correct (too late to check)...congrats you beat up on Cuse during our worst stretch in our history with Sh!tshow Gerg on the sidelines. BTW, that is also over...scoreboard said 40-10 Cuse over UConn last year. Maybe we'll meet in a bowl game in a few years...we'll compare notes then.

Nothing beats this. Make a excuse for 04-2011 and then cherry pick 2012 a win for Cuse and thump chest. Your not fooling anyone. Look up some scores and UConn thumped Cuse even worse several times.

I can play your game. Ready? 2012 was the worst stretch of football UConn has ever ever ever played. You beat us that one time when we were down. Dam coach. We will gazillion times murder you thump beat chest.


Facts don't lie. UConn is greater than Cuse. We head to head currently have you in football. Bball is a bloodbath. You dont play baseball. We kill you in things like girls bball and soccer. You win in lax. Congrats. The hartford-nh tv market is ranked #30. Where is the Cuse tv market ranked? We both touch NYC but recently a NYT article gave UConn a slight edge in football fan base size in NYC. Thats sad considering were 9 years old. We run the city in bball. We touch boston with a small presence. Our coach isn't famous for picking his nose. Ill stop.

Your a good guy mark. Don't let my efforts for. A party here get to you. Save the slapping for low level Cuse fans. I got the stats from ESPN schedules going back to 04 FYI.

First off in your exuberance you spew BS! UCONN has never beat Cuse by 30 pts! Not even once let alone your distortion of several times beating Cuse worse than the 30 point shellacking Cuse gave UConn last season.

Last year you finished 5-7 with an upset of Louisville...last year's team was not your worst team. You had three other teams with 4 or 5 wins since joining the Big East. Do you really think we are this stupid to believe your crap? UConn has had a few decent teams, backed into a BCS Bowl but 4 losing seasons since 2005 suggest UConn is not the brand leader all you Nutmeggers think you are.


Facts don't lie but do you?

I suggest everyone consider this kid's track record here of gross exaggerations and falsehoods.

(07-29-2013 03:21 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 11:21 PM)FromTheInside Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 08:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i love uconn fans who act like their academics are on par with the b10.

i once asked a uconn fan who was adamant about uconn going to the b10 about the aau problem. his response was "well the b10 likes public schools and were the best public school in all of new england"

that was the funniest comment i ever heard

claiming to be the best public school in new england is like claiming to be the best private school in montana

If you list UConn academic stats of any category vs B1G schools thy almost never finish 15th on the list. Most times they are in the middle. What UConn lacks is high research dollars grant wise. That is what they lack to AAU status and grad school stats wise. UConn made some huge investment to that recently so they will quickly rise in that aspect of academics. Then your facts/stats less cheap shot will look ever more stupid. Get some facts and come back to me.

What is relevant today in terms of research dollars is what a school is doing in science. According to the National Science Foundation, UConn ranked #81 nationally in the most recent year reported (2011) in total R&D expenditures for science. See the data at:

http://webcaspar.nsf.gov/profiles/site;j...ce&ds=herd

That ranks UConn behind 10 of the 12 current B1G members but ahead of both Nebraska (85) and Indiana (106). So, they have put themselves in the Big Ten range even if at the lower end of it.

In terms of looking ahead, UConn will be taking a huge step forward as a result of a major initiative by the state to invest in Bioscience. Already underway, the project is partnering with The Jackson Laboratory for Genomic Medicine of Bar Harbor, Maine to build a major research center on the UConn Health Center campus, which will upon completion create 331 research jobs in this emerging 21st century field. This is a $1.1 billion project with $800 coming from federal and private grants funneled through the Jackson Lab, a private National Cancer Institute-designated Cancer Center with facilities in Maine and California. The building itself will be completed within the next 18 months.

The state is committed to making UConn one of the top public research universities in the country. With the highest per capita income in the country, connecticut has the resources to do this. The Jackson Lab project is a concrete step in this direction. Upon completion, it will result in UConn's research profile taking major steps forward.

The comparison to Montana's private schools is laughable. Connecticut is home to United Technologies and the university already has partnerships with them. UT is the leading researcher in the world in fuel cell development, another emerging 21st century technology. Being a center for research on the human genome AND fuel cells thrusts UConn into a position of prominence for forward looking 21st century projects which will increasingly attract grant dollars.

What really matters is federal R&D obligations, particularly in science & engineering. There UConn ($141 million) falls in at #83, but that's behind all of the Big Ten, including Nebraska ($197 million), as well as Oregon State, NCSU, LSU, New Mexico, Tennessee, Wake Forest, Kentucky, Buffalo, ASU, Virginia Tech, Hawaii, USF, Miami, Colorado State....

UConn is not really doing that much more that isn't going on at other places.

FYI, UConn:Farmington :: UNL:Omaha = irrelevant to the AAU.

(07-29-2013 10:27 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 01:58 AM)FromTheInside Wrote:  

(07-29-2013 01:00 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-28-2013 11:36 PM)FromTheInside Wrote:  Since 2004 when UConn joined the Big East in football:

UConn is 30-38 vs p5 teams. Not great but this was its first fbs years. Meanwhile good ole boy Cuse during this time went 21-51. I included uconn as p5 for sake of argument. Cuse went 3-6 vs UConn in this stretch fwiw. Several beat downs on a good ole boy from a new team in the game.

Should I even bother to get Louisville or WVUs stats out?

Going to take your stats as correct (too late to check)...congrats you beat up on Cuse during our worst stretch in our history with Sh!tshow Gerg on the sidelines. BTW, that is also over...scoreboard said 40-10 Cuse over UConn last year. Maybe we'll meet in a bowl game in a few years...we'll compare notes then.

Nothing beats this. Make a excuse for 04-2011 and then cherry pick 2012 a win for Cuse and thump chest. Your not fooling anyone. Look up some scores and UConn thumped Cuse even worse several times.

I can play your game. Ready? 2012 was the worst stretch of football UConn has ever ever ever played. You beat us that one time when we were down. Dam coach. We will gazillion times murder you thump beat chest.


Facts don't lie. UConn is greater than Cuse. We head to head currently have you in football. Bball is a bloodbath. You dont play baseball. We kill you in things like girls bball and soccer. You win in lax. Congrats. The hartford-nh tv market is ranked #30. Where is the Cuse tv market ranked? We both touch NYC but recently a NYT article gave UConn a slight edge in football fan base size in NYC. Thats sad considering were 9 years old. We run the city in bball. We touch boston with a small presence. Our coach isn't famous for picking his nose. Ill stop.

Your a good guy mark. Don't let my efforts for. A party here get to you. Save the slapping for low level Cuse fans. I got the stats from ESPN schedules going back to 04 FYI.

First off in your exuberance you spew BS! UCONN has never beat Cuse by 30 pts! Not even once let alone your distortion of several times beating Cuse worse than the 30 point shellacking Cuse gave UConn last season.

Last year you finished 5-7 with an upset of Louisville...last year's team was not your worst team. You had three other teams with 4 or 5 wins since joining the Big East. Do you really think we are this stupid to believe your crap? UConn has had a few decent teams, backed into a BCS Bowl but 4 losing seasons since 2005 suggest UConn is not the brand leader all you Nutmeggers think you are.


Facts don't lie but do you?

I suggest everyone consider this kid's track record here of gross exaggerations and falsehoods.

Fun facts:
BASKETBALL
Syracuse 54 wins
UCONN 37 wins*
*Won most recent game
http://www.orangehoops.org/SyracuseAllTimeSeries.htm

BASEBALL
na - SU doesn't play

LACROSSE
na - UCONN doesn't play

FOOTBALL**
Syracuse 3 wins (all-time winning percentage: 58% <-- always at the highest level)***
UCONN 6 losses (all-time winning percentage: 49% <-- includes fcs)
**No good Syracuse team has ever played UCONN because UCONN was literally in a division below Syracuse
***Won most recent game
http://www.collegefootball.bz/syracuse/o...onnecticut

Given that our big three sports 1. made a FF in basketball, 2. won a bowl game in football, and 3. made it to the national championship game in lacrosse, whereas UCONN 1. was DQ'd from post season play in basketball, didn't qualify for a bowl game, and 3. didn't go anywhere in baseball (won 1 game and lost 2), the thought of UCONN passing Syracuse is pretty funny.

It's also worth noting that UCONN's 2 DI football coaches were Randy Edsall and Paul Pasqualoni. Randy Edsall is a Syracuse grad and Coach P was a former Syracuse coach who was fired for not performing to Syracuse's standards.

Academics are not what left UConn on the outside looking in. The Huskies failed the following questions:

- Which NE schools best deliver the NYC market for the B1G and Fox, UConn or Rutgers?

- Which schools would provide the ACC with the most stability, UConn or Loiusville?

If the choice was up the UNC, the Huskies would already be in. But the 'Heels value being the big dog in their conference as much if not more so than the ACC's academic selectively. After picking up Pitt, 'Cuse and associate member ND, Swofford felt that their was enough accumulated academic cache that the next selection didn't need to meet that particular requirement.

The question I think UConn needs to ask themselves is; how valuable is CFB to them? Short term planning to be 15 or 16 if the ACC or B1G decide to expand again is fine. but what if they aren't one of those teams or what if this is the end of conference expansion? Is it worth keeping MBB and WBB in the AAC just to prop up the football. What is the value of dropping CFB and putting its hoops programs in the Big East? How long do you wait?

(07-30-2013 07:45 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Academics are not what left UConn on the outside looking in. The Huskies failed the following questions:

- Which NE schools best deliver the NYC market for the B1G and Fox, UConn or Rutgers?

- Which schools would provide the ACC with the most stability, UConn or Loiusville?

If the choice was up the UNC, the Huskies would already be in. But the 'Heels value being the big dog in their conference as much if not more so than the ACC's academic selectively. After picking up Pitt, 'Cuse and associate member ND, Swofford felt that their was enough accumulated academic cache that the next selection didn't need to meet that particular requirement.

The question I think UConn needs to ask themselves is; how valuable is CFB to them? Short term planning to be 15 or 16 if the ACC or B1G decide to expand again is fine. but what if they aren't one of those teams or what if this is the end of conference expansion? Is it worth keeping MBB and WBB in the AAC just to prop up the football. What is the value of dropping CFB and putting its hoops programs in the Big East? How long do you wait?

I think UCONN is in a bind either way. I do not believe that their FB team will ever be able to get off the ground well enough to be a consistently good program. A lot of that has to do with location, where the New England does not value HS FB as much as other sports. So how do you preserve their BB. That's really the number one reason why UCONN jumped at the chance to bring their FB up in the BE - to preserve BB. It's the same reason why Memphis begged for a BE invite for years - to preserve BB. However, it looks like realignment is - at a minimum - 6 years out from possibly starting up again, and that will be based on whether Texas and Okla wants to leave the Big12. I strongly suspect that Texas will prefer to be the king of a decent sized kingdom than be a duke in a huge kingdom. They make plenty of money now to be able to compete with the top level athletics programs now, so there is zero incentive for UT to leave. With that assumption in mind, does UCONN think it can wait around for 10+ years in the AAC in the hopes of another expansion? I don't see it happening because the FB program will wither on the vine in 10 years of G5 competition. So the question becomes is UCONN's athletics dept better off with closing down FB and joining up with the BE to rub elbows with GT, Nova and St Johns or is it better off having weak FB but still having BB peers in Cincy and Memphis? My suspicion tells me that if the BigXII wants to expand, UC and Memphis would be ahead of UCONN, so this may become an even bigger disaster for them.

Is there any news on these developments?

Read the entire first post before checking the date. Was wondering how in the world this got 15 pages of posts without me noticing when I check this site at least once a day.

(12-07-2016 04:20 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Is there any news on these developments?

What are your sources telling you?