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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
I think the Big Ten would bend for Oklahoma. They are a football power in their own right and I'd guess not much different than Nebraska in the end (Nebraska did have AAU at the time though). Where I think they'd run into issues would be if Texas Tech or Oklahoma State had to be included. I don't think the conference would bend for either of them.

I still maintain the grant of rights are solid and any change is likely a long way off. Alignment would definitely be interesting though. Either a) two divisions, western division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and eastern with Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers or b) pods. I'd vote pods as teams wouldn't play each other often enough to feel like a conference even with 9 conference games in a 16 team league (only playing the other division 1/4 the time; granted that's still more than ACC/SEC now). Pods would be really hard to manage with 2 western teams though (unless you add in a locked crossover outside of the pod which kind of defeats the purpose.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 09:35 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas is feeling a bit bold as they just got recent legislation to keep the board of trustees from messing with the UT President. Rick Perry overstepped his reach

Slick Hair Perry is funny, as in, hilariously funny... Let me say it again, funny he is I said.07-coffee3
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:03 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I think the Big Ten would bend for Oklahoma. They are a football power in their own right and I'd guess not much different than Nebraska in the end (Nebraska did have AAU at the time though). Where I think they'd run into issues would be if Texas Tech or Oklahoma State had to be included. I don't think the conference would bend for either of them.

I still maintain the grant of rights are solid and any change is likely a long way off. Alignment would definitely be interesting though. Either a) two divisions, western division with Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern and eastern with Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Rutgers or b) pods. I'd vote pods as teams wouldn't play each other often enough to feel like a conference even with 9 conference games in a 16 team league (only playing the other division 1/4 the time; granted that's still more than ACC/SEC now). Pods would be really hard to manage with 2 western teams though (unless you add in a locked crossover outside of the pod which kind of defeats the purpose.

If the move was to 18 it would mean three divisions of 6.

Iowa Nebraska plus Texas, OU, KU, and either ISU or possibly MU. Then the core of each divisions schedule would be 5 games within their geographical grouping and two each rotated each year from the other two divisions.

In such a case Illinois, Michigan, Mich St., NW, Minn. & Wis. would make up the second and OSU, Ind., Pur., PSU, Md. and Rutgers the other.

When you think about it it does have a certain integrity to it.

Also, if the 4th were Iowa State it would only take 4 other Big 12 schools moving to void the GOR and dissolve the conference.

It would not be unlikely at all that the SEC would take West Virginia and Oklahoma State. Texas Tech might likely catch a look from the PAC and if T.C.U. went with them to deliver the DFW market to the PAC then you've got your 8.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
IF there is anything to all this then I am still of the opinion that there is a whole hell of a lot of collusion going on up at the top.

If Texas wants East Coast markets then their best bet truly is the ACC. Whether or not the LHN is going well...well are they really willing to give up on it? That's what joining the Big Ten means.

The ACC on the other hand would probably be willing to bend over backwards to help them with it as long as Texas is willing to sign on with the ACC and in turn that tanks the Big 12 which makes the ACC much more secure in the eyes of EVERYONE including the Networks.

Delany and crew want two programs. Let's throw everyone into a tizzy and get the rumor mill started about Texas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten. For a scenario to happen like the one I have been surmising on, people are going to have to be made to feel uncomfortable in order to be willing to go forward with such compromises.

IF it's true, its some shadowy stuff going on. The ACC suits the needs of Texas much more than the Big Ten does.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  IF there is anything to all this then I am still of the opinion that there is a whole hell of a lot of collusion going on up at the top.

If Texas wants East Coast markets then their best bet truly is the ACC. Whether or not the LHN is going well...well are they really willing to give up on it? That's what joining the Big Ten means.

The ACC on the other hand would probably be willing to bend over backwards to help them with it as long as Texas is willing to sign on with the ACC and in turn that tanks the Big 12 which makes the ACC much more secure in the eyes of EVERYONE including the Networks.

Delany and crew want two programs. Let's throw everyone into a tizzy and get the rumor mill started about Texas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten. For a scenario to happen like the one I have been surmising on, people are going to have to be made to feel uncomfortable in order to be willing to go forward with such compromises.

IF it's true, its some shadowy stuff going on. The ACC suits the needs of Texas much more than the Big Ten does.
Well let's just say that we agree on collusion if anything is happening. There is no way in this economy that any school is going to risk 275 million to make a move that could land them that kind of a loss either up front or in legal wranglings.

If Texas is indeed talking a move then somebody has coordinated at least 8 moves.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 10:41 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 10:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 10:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  If there is any truth to this, which in this case I doubt, then perhaps Dodds is trying to get some negotiating leverage with ESPN should a move in the future become necessary. Since ESPN holds the LHN, these discussions may be an attempt to gain that leverage, or perhaps as the result of ESPN's displeasure with an economic quagmire (LHN) and any suggestion they may have made to morph it into something more productive (like an ACCN).

I'm no fan of Texas but if they did move somewhere I would rather see them add strength to the ACC and insure stability there. It would be productive. The only thing that happens to a Texas cow when it is driven North is that it gets slaughtered around Chicago.

This is what I think as well, JR. Can't see them wanting to go North. I do think they are responding to ESPN's notice about LHN not working as well as A&M's rising threat and the need to do something to offset their growth. I did see on the OSU insider's post that Texas was desirous of Eastern's markets, markets that the B1G could get them. That's the part that didn't jive for me. I think if they want Eastern markets they go ACC and get into VA, NC, SC, GA and FLA, not New Jersey and Maryland. After all, what would they gain by being there? The thing about it that does make sense, the part that gives me pause and the thing that makes me believe it's a real possibility, is the sick amount of money that would be produced by a BTN with OSU, Michigan, Penn State, OK and Texas. I wish, like you, that ND and TX would be in the ACC and balance the equation. Two major finanical juggernauts in every conference that way.

I'm not going all in on the "Texas to B16" train again...but...

Population is not in GA, NC, TN, AL, and the such. Population is in the NE. So, when you talk about Texas being associated with Eastern markets, throw "recruiting areas" and "growing areas" out the window. The eyeballs are all in the Big Ten footprint (and the northern ACC footprint). Is that slowly changing...is that area decreasing? Sure. But it's not a catastrophic movement. It's like calling Rosanne Barr skinny for losing 2 pounds and Cate Blanchett fat for gaining 1 pound.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 11:20 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  IF there is anything to all this then I am still of the opinion that there is a whole hell of a lot of collusion going on up at the top.

If Texas wants East Coast markets then their best bet truly is the ACC. Whether or not the LHN is going well...well are they really willing to give up on it? That's what joining the Big Ten means.

The ACC on the other hand would probably be willing to bend over backwards to help them with it as long as Texas is willing to sign on with the ACC and in turn that tanks the Big 12 which makes the ACC much more secure in the eyes of EVERYONE including the Networks.

Delany and crew want two programs. Let's throw everyone into a tizzy and get the rumor mill started about Texas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten. For a scenario to happen like the one I have been surmising on, people are going to have to be made to feel uncomfortable in order to be willing to go forward with such compromises.

IF it's true, its some shadowy stuff going on. The ACC suits the needs of Texas much more than the Big Ten does.
Well let's just say that we agree on collusion if anything is happening. There is no way in this economy that any school is going to risk 275 million to make a move that could land them that kind of a loss either up front or in legal wranglings.

If Texas is indeed talking a move then somebody has coordinated at least 8 moves.

Absolutely.

At least 8 moves but more likely 10 moves and four different landing spots all having to come to some kind of compromise. If that actually happens, I will be very surprised despite the fact that I am one of a very few people who list it as the only possible way we have more expansion at the top.
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To talk about collusion and stuff...

If the Big Ten wants/gets Mizzou from the SEC and Texas (and maybe two more?) from that region of the country (Kansas, OU?)...the SEC MUST (yes, MUST) move with three teams of its own and quickly. Getting poached (Mizzou) and sitting at 13 while the Big Ten has 16 or 18 is a PR NIGHTMARE for the SEC. (Yes, I realize how ridiculous that sounds to football minds...but it is.)

If the ACC is impenetrable....then the SEC has to go for a Texas school or two...Kansas State...West Virginia...and/or Oklahoma State for sure. The SEC wouldn't make out too badly. And five/six/seven schools bailing on the Big 12 would make the GOR nothing.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 09:35 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Texas is feeling a bit bold as they just got recent legislation to keep the board of trustees from messing with the UT President. Rick Perry overstepped his reach

Texas did so with the political help from some schools that might surprise some people.
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(08-03-2013 10:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If Texas wasn't willing to share the limelight with USC in the Pac-12, why would it be willing to share attention with Michigan and Ohio State in the Big 10?

Sure the Big 10 would love to add the Longhorns but in the end I think Texas will always prefer to be the biggest fish in its own pond.

You don't really understand the arrogance of Texas. They likely expect that they will run the Big-10.
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Is this the same moron citing "The Dude" on the 247 sports board?

Quote:buckeye9595

**BREAKING TEXAS TO B1G TALKS**

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 11m
It doesn’t make me happy to say it, but Texas has something up Dodd’s 10-gallon hat. Texas thinks it can get out of the GoR. I HOPE NOT.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 7m
@JakeBumgarner B1G. This is real and it scares the **** out of me

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 4m
The B1G & Dodd believe Texas can challenge the GoR due to the amount of $ Horns would bring to BTN.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 3m
Vandy & Mizzo are NOT in play but another B12 school is.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 10:29 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If Texas wasn't willing to share the limelight with USC in the Pac-12, why would it be willing to share attention with Michigan and Ohio State in the Big 10?

Sure the Big 10 would love to add the Longhorns but in the end I think Texas will always prefer to be the biggest fish in its own pond.

You don't really understand the arrogance of Texas. They likely expect that they will run the Big-10.

LOL. Good point. I didn't look at it that way.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  To talk about collusion and stuff...

If the Big Ten wants/gets Mizzou from the SEC and Texas (and maybe two more?) from that region of the country (Kansas, OU?)...the SEC MUST (yes, MUST) move with three teams of its own and quickly. Getting poached (Mizzou) and sitting at 13 while the Big Ten has 16 or 18 is a PR NIGHTMARE for the SEC. (Yes, I realize how ridiculous that sounds to football minds...but it is.)

If the ACC is impenetrable....then the SEC has to go for a Texas school or two...Kansas State...West Virginia...and/or Oklahoma State for sure. The SEC wouldn't make out too badly. And five/six/seven schools bailing on the Big 12 would make the GOR nothing.

If MU left at this juncture then (a) they would have to want to and (b) Jim Delany and Slive will have talked. There are legal entanglements. So that means that there would have been cooperation on the move and everyone will know who they are getting ahead of time. It won't be a matter of who someone has to grab, but rather a we'll take these if you take those kind of arrangement. Besides, if they are going to work together to get their own division the won't sacrifice the bigger prize while fighting over the pieces left on the table.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Is this the same moron citing "The Dude" on the 247 sports board?

Quote:buckeye9595

**BREAKING TEXAS TO B1G TALKS**

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 11m
It doesn’t make me happy to say it, but Texas has something up Dodd’s 10-gallon hat. Texas thinks it can get out of the GoR. I HOPE NOT.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 7m
@JakeBumgarner B1G. This is real and it scares the **** out of me

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 4m
The B1G & Dodd believe Texas can challenge the GoR due to the amount of $ Horns would bring to BTN.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 3m
Vandy & Mizzo are NOT in play but another B12 school is.

I thought the Dud of West Virginia said he was quitting realignment talk for getting everything wrong?
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Is this the same moron citing "The Dude" on the 247 sports board?

Quote:buckeye9595

**BREAKING TEXAS TO B1G TALKS**

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 11m
It doesn’t make me happy to say it, but Texas has something up Dodd’s 10-gallon hat. Texas thinks it can get out of the GoR. I HOPE NOT.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 7m
@JakeBumgarner B1G. This is real and it scares the **** out of me

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 4m
The B1G & Dodd believe Texas can challenge the GoR due to the amount of $ Horns would bring to BTN.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 3m
Vandy & Mizzo are NOT in play but another B12 school is.

I saw that stuff two days ago. I think what the other board is citing is the source out of which the Dude made up his tweets. It is supposedly a big OSU booster who is the actual source.
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(08-03-2013 11:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  To talk about collusion and stuff...

If the Big Ten wants/gets Mizzou from the SEC and Texas (and maybe two more?) from that region of the country (Kansas, OU?)...the SEC MUST (yes, MUST) move with three teams of its own and quickly. Getting poached (Mizzou) and sitting at 13 while the Big Ten has 16 or 18 is a PR NIGHTMARE for the SEC. (Yes, I realize how ridiculous that sounds to football minds...but it is.)

If the ACC is impenetrable....then the SEC has to go for a Texas school or two...Kansas State...West Virginia...and/or Oklahoma State for sure. The SEC wouldn't make out too badly. And five/six/seven schools bailing on the Big 12 would make the GOR nothing.

The PAC will have to be involved too. Will take 8 dissolution votes within the Big 12 and very likely none of them are willing to do it without all ten at least grudgingly going along with it.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:53 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  
(08-03-2013 11:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Is this the same moron citing "The Dude" on the 247 sports board?

Quote:buckeye9595

**BREAKING TEXAS TO B1G TALKS**

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 11m
It doesn’t make me happy to say it, but Texas has something up Dodd’s 10-gallon hat. Texas thinks it can get out of the GoR. I HOPE NOT.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 7m
@JakeBumgarner B1G. This is real and it scares the **** out of me

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 4m
The B1G & Dodd believe Texas can challenge the GoR due to the amount of $ Horns would bring to BTN.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 3m
Vandy & Mizzo are NOT in play but another B12 school is.

I thought the Dud of West Virginia said he was quitting realignment talk for getting everything wrong?

No chance. He's a publicity addict rifling through the days news for his next fix.
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RE: SIAP: Ohio State board on FIRE as insider claims that B1G and Texas in talks
(08-03-2013 11:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Is this the same moron citing "The Dude" on the 247 sports board?

Quote:buckeye9595

**BREAKING TEXAS TO B1G TALKS**

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 11m
It doesn’t make me happy to say it, but Texas has something up Dodd’s 10-gallon hat. Texas thinks it can get out of the GoR. I HOPE NOT.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 7m
@JakeBumgarner B1G. This is real and it scares the **** out of me

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 4m
The B1G & Dodd believe Texas can challenge the GoR due to the amount of $ Horns would bring to BTN.

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV 3m
Vandy & Mizzo are NOT in play but another B12 school is.

The stuff from the Ohio State board comes from their pay Insider board, not the public board.

Just saw over on the WVU board the name of the guy stating all this, its not buckeye9595
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Also, the Dud shouldn't be worried. If this goes down the two big candidates for ACC inclusion would be West Virginia and Connecticut.
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(08-03-2013 11:57 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Also, the Dud shouldn't be worried. If this goes down the two big candidates for ACC inclusion would be West Virginia and Connecticut.

Wrong geographical direction. WVU wouldn't have anything to worry about though.
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