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RE: PAC 12 to expand?
(11-16-2013 11:43 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:30 AM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 12:27 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(11-15-2013 10:33 PM)FreshPrinceOfDarkness Wrote:  
(11-15-2013 09:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This thread is so painful to read through.

January cannot come soon enough in regards to this.

You're an Iowa and Rutgers fan...03-yawn

And you have no idea what I was even talking about yet you are so prone to being defensive, you think I was talking about Tech and the unliklihood of them being invited to the PAC.

If you weren't so ignorant, you would know I feel otherwise.

Continue on though. As I said....painful. 07-coffee3

Yup, my last few posts were fueled by "happy hour" and a Tech fan's natural defensiveness to perceived insult. 03-lmfao Sorry about that. 04-cheers

It's all good. I am actually impressed that you did not get defensive over my usage of the term ignorant. Most folks ignorantly get defensive over being called ignorant. You did not.

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It's all good. 04-cheers

No worries. I've been called much, much worse! 04-cheers
11-18-2013 03:22 PM
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RE: PAC 12 to expand?
(11-16-2013 06:34 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:04 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 08:50 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(11-15-2013 08:43 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  The PAC dropped the ball by purposely shutting out Baylor and taking Colorado when they could have had the entire Big 12 South including A&M. If A&M turned it down they could have offered Colorado then and no one would even be having these conversations.

A&M was not going to the PAC under any circumstances. The addition of Baylor certainly wouldn't have been a motivation. Besides, UT has no intention of going anywhere as long as they can keep the Big 12 going in some form or another.

The PAC's targets were UT and CU and have been since about 1990. Scott only ran with the idea of 16 after Delaney shot his mouth off about the B1G going to 16.

Let's assume UT goes to the ACC. Which Texas schools does the PAC 12 take to get into a market that it wants so bad?

The P12 will not expand without Texas - it takes Texas to make the deal worth the trouble. Now OU will more than pay for itself, but no one else generates additional income for P12 teams. The P12 is under no pressure to expand, they are the only major conference without major conference competition. The Rocky Mountain buffer allows them to remain in a manageable size.

I think Larry Scott might disagree with you on one point, it appears he thinks Kansas (basketball revenue) would pay for itself.
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11-18-2013 03:28 PM
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RE: PAC 12 to expand?
The PAC 12 will stay put at 12. The only way they expand is if Nevada and UNLV grow in stature over the next few years (Example: Arizona and Arizona State)
11-18-2013 04:30 PM
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(11-18-2013 04:30 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The PAC 12 will stay put at 12. The only way they expand is if Nevada and UNLV grow in stature over the next few years (Example: Arizona and Arizona State)

The potential problem that the PAC 12 has overlooked is the possibility of the B12 becoming proactive (like the ACC) by dismantling the MWC and adding BYU while voting out WV. The B16 could be:

West Division: Air force/ C St (if Air Force doesn’t join), Boise St, BYU, Fresno St, NM, SD St, TT, UNLV

East Division: Baylor, Iowa St, KU, K St, OU, OSU, TCU, UT

The B12 could offer the MWC schools 3 to 4 mil each plus other incentives (the total is close to what WV would eventually make). BYU gets to keep some form of its network and basically pays for itself. If this were to happen, the PAC 12 would have very few (if any) expansion options....
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11-19-2013 11:28 AM
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RE: PAC 12 to expand?
If the Pac 12 expands again, it will be from the Big 12 carcass. They would like to get into Texas if possible.
11-19-2013 11:32 AM
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(11-19-2013 11:32 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the Pac 12 expands again, it will be from the Big 12 carcass. They would like to get into Texas if possible.

If the B12 dies, SECond to none is seated first at the B12 Buffet. Once the SEC is done, B1Greed is seated next. The best the PAC 12 could do is third. If UT decides to take Baylor and TCU with it to the ACC, the PAC 12 would get nothing....
11-19-2013 11:39 AM
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(11-19-2013 11:39 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:32 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the Pac 12 expands again, it will be from the Big 12 carcass. They would like to get into Texas if possible.

If the B12 dies, SECond to none is seated first at the B12 Buffet. Once the SEC is done, B1Greed is seated next. The best the PAC 12 could do is third. If UT decides to take Baylor and TCU with it to the ACC, the PAC 12 would get nothing....

Actually 'Dog, when that time comes, Mom(FOX) and Dad(ESPN) will be on the ones carving the turducken (B12) for the kids.(remaining P4)
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(11-19-2013 12:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:39 AM)Underdog Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:32 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  If the Pac 12 expands again, it will be from the Big 12 carcass. They would like to get into Texas if possible.

If the B12 dies, SECond to none is seated first at the B12 Buffet. Once the SEC is done, B1Greed is seated next. The best the PAC 12 could do is third. If UT decides to take Baylor and TCU with it to the ACC, the PAC 12 would get nothing....

Actually 'Dog, when that time comes, Mom(FOX) and Dad(ESPN) will be on the ones carving the turducken (B12) for the kids.(remaining P4)

If the time is after the GOR expires, the networks will have only so much power. SECond to none will take any school in the B12 it wants except for UT (it will not follow A&M). B1Greed could get KU and Iowa St, but I see KU following OU into SECond Heaven. UT has stated it would rather go east. Nevertheless, the SEC could take any other Texas schools it wants. My point: After the GOR, the SEC will get whichever schools it wants except for UT while the B10 gets sloppy seconds. If UT goes east, the PAC gets the back....
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(11-19-2013 11:28 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The potential problem that the PAC 12 has overlooked is the possibility of the B12 becoming proactive (like the ACC) by dismantling the MWC and adding BYU while voting out WV. The B16 could be:

West Division: Air force/ C St (if Air Force doesn’t join), Boise St, BYU, Fresno St, NM, SD St, TT, UNLV

East Division: Baylor, Iowa St, KU, K St, OU, OSU, TCU, UT

The B12 could offer the MWC schools 3 to 4 mil each plus other incentives (the total is close to what WV would eventually make). BYU gets to keep some form of its network and basically pays for itself. If this were to happen, the PAC 12 would have very few (if any) expansion options....

Every single school in your West division would ditch the B12 for the PAC in a heartbeat if given the invite. It might actually be better for the PAC if the B12 threw money at programs like NM and UNLV to improve their programs to the point where they're more attractive for the PAC.

BSU, BYU, and the Cal States are non-starters for the PAC, unfortunately.
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(11-19-2013 01:10 PM)TomThumb Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 11:28 AM)Underdog Wrote:  The potential problem that the PAC 12 has overlooked is the possibility of the B12 becoming proactive (like the ACC) by dismantling the MWC and adding BYU while voting out WV. The B16 could be:

West Division: Air force/ C St (if Air Force doesn’t join), Boise St, BYU, Fresno St, NM, SD St, TT, UNLV

East Division: Baylor, Iowa St, KU, K St, OU, OSU, TCU, UT

The B12 could offer the MWC schools 3 to 4 mil each plus other incentives (the total is close to what WV would eventually make). BYU gets to keep some form of its network and basically pays for itself. If this were to happen, the PAC 12 would have very few (if any) expansion options....

Every single school in your West division would ditch the B12 for the PAC in a heartbeat if given the invite. It might actually be better for the PAC if the B12 threw money at programs like NM and UNLV to improve their programs to the point where they're more attractive for the PAC.

BSU, BYU, and the Cal States are non-starters for the PAC, unfortunately.

The B12 GOR keeps everybody in place. Maybe the PAC 12 tries to cut in after the GOR expires....
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(11-19-2013 01:15 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The B12 GOR keeps everybody in place. Maybe the PAC 12 tries to cut in after the GOR expires....

Sure, why not. B12 takes a bunch of MWC schools and throws money at them. PAC waits out the GOR to see if these programs improve enough to invite.
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