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(09-05-2013 08:36 PM)texasorange Wrote:  I'm glad the new ACC has gotten off to such a great start, and as a fan base we are more unified than one can hope to be expected!!

Aside from a few bad apples here and there, I have been very impressed. I have a lot of good will for every ACC school and am excited to see everyone in action.
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I support the other ACC schools, and I don't understand who you wouldn't. Even if they suck, I want them to win. If you don't, then there's something wrong with you.

That's all I have to say!
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(09-05-2013 03:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Going forward:

FSU
Clemson
Louisville
VT
Miami

In time hopefully Pitt.

Don't forget GT. They just hung 70 easily on Elon. VT has them on a short week, so they're not a team you can overlook.
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(09-06-2013 08:16 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 03:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Going forward:

FSU
Clemson
Louisville
VT
Miami

In time hopefully Pitt.

Don't forget GT. They just hung 70 easily on Elon. VT has them on a short week, so they're not a team you can overlook.

Yes, I was thinking of them too. Pitt and GT could be in the top group. For the ACC, that would be the ultimate scenario.
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(09-05-2013 08:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
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(09-05-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  The more uniform interest there is in ACC sports in general, the better the conference will be situated. FSU/Clemson fans watching and caring about teams like BC and SU and visa versa is HUGE.

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I'm not naïve and I understand that in every conference there is a sizable group of fans who hate the rest of the conference, and the ACC is no exception. In fact, we have the added hurdle of being a conference that runs from the north to the south, and there is no shortage of anti-northern animus down south, which gets taken out on the northern schools (BC, SU, and Pitt).

But I don't care about those teams. If they aren't competing for the division title, I have almost ZERO interest in watching them. The only ACC teams I try to watch are VT, Miami, GT and Clemson. UNC, NC State, UVA, BC, Wake and Duke aren't usually good enough to warrant such attention. It's likely that Cuse and Pitt will fall into that latter group more often than not. And I think UL will have a tough go in the ACC early on for the same reason I think Cuse and Pitt will. They'll also likely be without Bridgewater when they join and that's a huge loss for that program even though Strong looks like a good coach. (Truth be told, I have my concerns about VT's staying power once Beamer leaves and Clemson's ability to remain near-elite once Boyd and Co. are gone and Morris gets a job elsewhere. I'm also not sure Golden is the guy to return Miami to the top, although he does appear to have stabilized the program after the Coker/Shannon years. GT will, imo, never be elite with Johnson even if they are 9-3/8-4 every year. I think after this year Fisher will have proven himself to be a very good coach and capable of keeping FSU near the top, having used multiple QBs, OCs and DCs. My only negative here is that unless FSU gets to the national title this year, he won't have proven he's capable of getting FSU back there, either, but I'd be ok with ACC Champs every other year and near-annual BCS/Playoff invites.

You have to be kidding me that the reason some of the fans of southern schools aren't big fans of the northern schools is because the south hates the north. That's about as ridiculous a thing as anyone's ever said on here. The best school from that northern/northeastern area isn't in the ACC. The other 3 northern schools in the ACC haven't been all that relevant the last 25 or so years outside of a nice run by Cuse in the 90's. That's just the way it is. BC was actually at the top of their game when they entered the ACC and look at them now. They are one of the dregs these last few years. A lot of people don't expect anything different from Pitt and Cuse.

Weird because you bring at least one of SU, BC, UL, and Pitt up in almost every post.

You brought them up first...remember? 07-coffee3

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(09-06-2013 09:15 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 08:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 08:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  The more uniform interest there is in ACC sports in general, the better the conference will be situated. FSU/Clemson fans watching and caring about teams like BC and SU and visa versa is HUGE.

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I'm not naïve and I understand that in every conference there is a sizable group of fans who hate the rest of the conference, and the ACC is no exception. In fact, we have the added hurdle of being a conference that runs from the north to the south, and there is no shortage of anti-northern animus down south, which gets taken out on the northern schools (BC, SU, and Pitt).

But I don't care about those teams. If they aren't competing for the division title, I have almost ZERO interest in watching them. The only ACC teams I try to watch are VT, Miami, GT and Clemson. UNC, NC State, UVA, BC, Wake and Duke aren't usually good enough to warrant such attention. It's likely that Cuse and Pitt will fall into that latter group more often than not. And I think UL will have a tough go in the ACC early on for the same reason I think Cuse and Pitt will. They'll also likely be without Bridgewater when they join and that's a huge loss for that program even though Strong looks like a good coach. (Truth be told, I have my concerns about VT's staying power once Beamer leaves and Clemson's ability to remain near-elite once Boyd and Co. are gone and Morris gets a job elsewhere. I'm also not sure Golden is the guy to return Miami to the top, although he does appear to have stabilized the program after the Coker/Shannon years. GT will, imo, never be elite with Johnson even if they are 9-3/8-4 every year. I think after this year Fisher will have proven himself to be a very good coach and capable of keeping FSU near the top, having used multiple QBs, OCs and DCs. My only negative here is that unless FSU gets to the national title this year, he won't have proven he's capable of getting FSU back there, either, but I'd be ok with ACC Champs every other year and near-annual BCS/Playoff invites.

You have to be kidding me that the reason some of the fans of southern schools aren't big fans of the northern schools is because the south hates the north. That's about as ridiculous a thing as anyone's ever said on here. The best school from that northern/northeastern area isn't in the ACC. The other 3 northern schools in the ACC haven't been all that relevant the last 25 or so years outside of a nice run by Cuse in the 90's. That's just the way it is. BC was actually at the top of their game when they entered the ACC and look at them now. They are one of the dregs these last few years. A lot of people don't expect anything different from Pitt and Cuse.

Weird because you bring at least one of SU, BC, UL, and Pitt up in almost every post.

You brought them up first...remember? 07-coffee3

Bad apples come in orange, too.

Yes, but I overtly care about them. That's why I talk about them. To pretend like this is the first thread that you have mentioned them is silly.

Anyway, no, bad apples only come in apples. Bad oranges are an entirely different fruit. It's literally apples and oranges.
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(09-06-2013 08:25 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 08:16 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 03:50 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Going forward:

FSU
Clemson
Louisville
VT
Miami

In time hopefully Pitt.

Don't forget GT. They just hung 70 easily on Elon. VT has them on a short week, so they're not a team you can overlook.

Yes, I was thinking of them too. Pitt and GT could be in the top group. For the ACC, that would be the ultimate scenario.

I'm actually kind of optimistic about Pitt too. Look at their OOC schedule next year...they are setting up for possibly a 9-win season or more.

One of our northeastern teams has to break out a little bit or it's just a waste. I don't hold much hope for Syracuse, who has a brutal Atlantic slate and insists on scheduling two OOC games every year. They'll beat some teams every year, but they're pretty much scheduling themselves into a 5-7 win max every year.

This conference could look a lot better if they just scheduled smart, and then would attract better athletes and coaches, which means they would be better as well as looking better.
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(09-06-2013 01:17 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  This conference could look a lot better if they just scheduled smart, and then would attract better athletes and coaches, which means they would be better as well as looking better.

Isn't it obvious that's what most teams in other conferences are doing? Big Ten only played 2 games last week vs P5 - Syracuse & California. Neither team figures to win their own conference. Big XII? again, 2 games - Miss. St and LSU. Even SEC mostly picks OOC games they can clearly count on winning (except for Georgia, but that's every year for them!)

Syracuse should schedule Rutgers & Purdue, not Penn State. Maryland is probably about right for them. Pitt is about right, given they play Notre Dame as 1 of their 4 OOC games. BC is a glutton for frequent flyer miles this year, @USC and @New Mexico. Virginia will get theirs when they return on BYU and Oregon...
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(09-06-2013 01:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 01:17 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  This conference could look a lot better if they just scheduled smart, and then would attract better athletes and coaches, which means they would be better as well as looking better.

Isn't it obvious that's what most teams in other conferences are doing? Big Ten only played 2 games last week vs P5 - Syracuse & California. Neither team figures to win their own conference. Big XII? again, 2 games - Miss. St and LSU. Even SEC mostly picks OOC games they can clearly count on winning (except for Georgia, but that's every year for them!)

Syracuse should schedule Rutgers & Purdue, not Penn State. Maryland is probably about right for them. Pitt is about right, given they play Notre Dame as 1 of their 4 OOC games. BC is a glutton for frequent flyer miles this year, @USC and @New Mexico. Virginia will get theirs when they return on BYU and Oregon...

Maryland is just right for Syracuse...but not when they already have Notre Dame. Maryland would be fine as one test game to go with three sure wins. Maryland will likely be favored in that game.

I'm ok with Penn State or Northwestern, not both.

You're exactly right, you can look around and see what works and what doesn't in today's landscape. It's not like I've cracked some code and I'm the only one who knows it. It's right there to be seen every single year.

As I posted on the OOC series thread, WVU was a crap team last year. Play out in your head what happens with the image of the Big 12 if they played say BYU/Oregon or PSU/Northwestern, or just followed through with the FSU game.

And then went in and beat Texas and Baylor. And then made Texas Tech look good and KSU look awesome.

If WVU comes into the Big 12 2-2, the entire image of that conference changes, and it has nothing to do with how good or bad WVU was. It's all in the scheduling.

Syracuse could be coming into the Clemson game 4-0 off a big bowl win last year. That could be a prime time game. And I'm saying "could" not in the sense that they "could" have beaten Penn State, it is something almost totally in their control.

Instead, they'll likely be 2-2 and a noon game on ESPNU. That's not quite the same when it comes to recruiting.

Look at NC State. They may not be much better than Syracuse, but they have an excellent chance to come into Tallahassee at the end of October ranked and with one loss. And if so, that's going to be a big game.

Helps them, helps FSU if FSU wins, helps the conference.

But no, I guess they should have opened with a tough game against BYU and then flown cross country to have Oregon beat their pants off. That makes sense.
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And look at Virginia's schedule. Off a very nice BYU win, look how the schedule would set up if they weren't going to Oregon. They'd have an excellent chance to win every game until November. Where would that put them? Pretty highly ranked going into a big showdown with Miami.

Instead, Oregon will annihilate them, and every ACC game they win will just make the conference look weaker.

If UVA schedules Mike London out of a job, I don't know who they're going to find to take that job.
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This is the Big 12 philosophy:

http://newsok.com/osu-football-mike-gund...le/3795489

Mike Gundy:

“Kind of the best way to look at it, if you just image a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, that being the BCS championship and Big 12 championship,” Gundy said. “You have a certain part of that road that never changes, and that’s called your conference. But before that, if your goal was to get there, you’d like to have a straight path. And anything you put in your way that could make it more difficult, just makes it more difficult. So you have a nice smooth highway all the way there, then you have to make a left or right turn based on where you have to go to follow your conference. Or you can go over hills and valleys and potholes and things like that and have issues getting there. I’d be for the easiest way to get to that one point before having to play conference play, within reason.”

But Coach, what about strength of schedule? Don’t you worry about?

“Not in this league,” Gundy said. “What is there seven teams in the top 25, top 30, as we speak. It’s just not ever been an issue in this league.”


Well you know why the Big 12 has so many ranked teams? BECAUSE THEY ALL FOLLOW THIS PHILOSOPHY. Oklahoma State has ridden this philosophy from a traditional dirt program to being a top 25 staple.
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No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.
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(09-06-2013 03:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.

Pickens is a huge benefactor of course. But they've scheduled soft as butter. They didn't get where they are by scheduling tough games out of conference. Gundy threw a fit about them scheduling Miss. St.
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(09-06-2013 11:02 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 09:15 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 08:49 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 08:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-05-2013 03:57 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  The more uniform interest there is in ACC sports in general, the better the conference will be situated. FSU/Clemson fans watching and caring about teams like BC and SU and visa versa is HUGE.

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I'm not naïve and I understand that in every conference there is a sizable group of fans who hate the rest of the conference, and the ACC is no exception. In fact, we have the added hurdle of being a conference that runs from the north to the south, and there is no shortage of anti-northern animus down south, which gets taken out on the northern schools (BC, SU, and Pitt).

But I don't care about those teams. If they aren't competing for the division title, I have almost ZERO interest in watching them. The only ACC teams I try to watch are VT, Miami, GT and Clemson. UNC, NC State, UVA, BC, Wake and Duke aren't usually good enough to warrant such attention. It's likely that Cuse and Pitt will fall into that latter group more often than not. And I think UL will have a tough go in the ACC early on for the same reason I think Cuse and Pitt will. They'll also likely be without Bridgewater when they join and that's a huge loss for that program even though Strong looks like a good coach. (Truth be told, I have my concerns about VT's staying power once Beamer leaves and Clemson's ability to remain near-elite once Boyd and Co. are gone and Morris gets a job elsewhere. I'm also not sure Golden is the guy to return Miami to the top, although he does appear to have stabilized the program after the Coker/Shannon years. GT will, imo, never be elite with Johnson even if they are 9-3/8-4 every year. I think after this year Fisher will have proven himself to be a very good coach and capable of keeping FSU near the top, having used multiple QBs, OCs and DCs. My only negative here is that unless FSU gets to the national title this year, he won't have proven he's capable of getting FSU back there, either, but I'd be ok with ACC Champs every other year and near-annual BCS/Playoff invites.

You have to be kidding me that the reason some of the fans of southern schools aren't big fans of the northern schools is because the south hates the north. That's about as ridiculous a thing as anyone's ever said on here. The best school from that northern/northeastern area isn't in the ACC. The other 3 northern schools in the ACC haven't been all that relevant the last 25 or so years outside of a nice run by Cuse in the 90's. That's just the way it is. BC was actually at the top of their game when they entered the ACC and look at them now. They are one of the dregs these last few years. A lot of people don't expect anything different from Pitt and Cuse.

Weird because you bring at least one of SU, BC, UL, and Pitt up in almost every post.

You brought them up first...remember? 07-coffee3

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Yes, but I overtly care about them. That's why I talk about them. To pretend like this is the first thread that you have mentioned them is silly.

Anyway, no, bad apples only come in apples. Bad oranges are an entirely different fruit. It's literally apples and oranges.

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I think that the ENTIRE ACC needs to get more serious about winning in football. Obviously we're counting on Clemson, Miami, and FSU to represent us up top, but the middle programs like Pitt, VT, GT, and SU all need to make substantial improvements. I honestly think that SU is committed to improving, but I don't think that we have the right mindset yet. I'll be the first to say that right now we're trying to be good, whereas we need to be trying to be great. However, to be fair to us, that's worlds better than what we were in the mid/late '00's where we were trying to be mediocre. So, we are edging closer to the right mindset.

I know BC is down right now, but they have performed well in the ACC and Duke, WF, UNC, and UL have all shown a desire to improve their situation and do well in recent years, and I think that the rest of the conference should follow their lead. We have the potential to be an excellent athletic and academic conference.

I think that the ACC should continue to work to develop a sense of solidarity, but each school should be responsible for carrying its own weight and not look to the conference (i.e. SU should stop waiting for an ACC bump and create our own bump, and FSU/Clemson should stop blaming losses to UF/USC on the ACC).
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(09-06-2013 03:57 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.

Pickens is a huge benefactor of course. But they've scheduled soft as butter. They didn't get where they are by scheduling tough games out of conference. Gundy threw a fit about them scheduling Miss. St.

So then they went out and scheduled FSU?
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(09-06-2013 04:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:57 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.

Pickens is a huge benefactor of course. But they've scheduled soft as butter. They didn't get where they are by scheduling tough games out of conference. Gundy threw a fit about them scheduling Miss. St.

So then they went out and scheduled FSU?

FSU will WEAR OUT Oklahoma State next year.
and that'll be the end of that little experiment.

As for scheduling, how much sense does it make to have Syracuse & UVa with way tougher schedules than FSU? Clemson is about right, FSU would've been tougher if not for cancellations (next year will be great!), but I have to agree w/ Lou C - some ACC teams are in over their heads (including my Hokies in week 1).
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(09-06-2013 04:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 04:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:57 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.

Pickens is a huge benefactor of course. But they've scheduled soft as butter. They didn't get where they are by scheduling tough games out of conference. Gundy threw a fit about them scheduling Miss. St.

So then they went out and scheduled FSU?

FSU will WEAR OUT Oklahoma State next year.
and that'll be the end of that little experiment.

As for scheduling, how much sense does it make to have Syracuse & UVa with way tougher schedules than FSU? Clemson is about right, FSU would've been tougher if not for cancellations (next year will be great!), but I have to agree w/ Lou C - some ACC teams are in over their heads (including my Hokies in week 1).

We are playing 8 conference games to most team's 9. There is very little down side to playing a team like Alabama. Nobody is going to be hard on you for losing if you play respectably. We are already getting praise on how amazing the defense was. I think you are way off base complaining about the scheduling so much.

Also, only people who didn't watch the game throw Logan under the bus as often as you do. By all accounts from people that broke down the game tape, he didn't play badly. The receivers have to catch balls that hit them in the hands. We are very thin at receiver and losing the starting TE didn't help that.
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RE: Is ACC football on the verge of greatness?
This is a good thread and an interesting read. I've never thought the ACC was that down. If I were Swofford, however, I would want the Georgia / Georgia Tech, Clemson / South Carolina, and Florida State / Florida game moved to the opening week of the season. Those three SEC schools may not win their divisions every year but they are usually at least 8 win teams at worst and 10 win teams at best. Those are tough games for everyone in good years. When Georgia Tech is down all it takes is for the SEC to win one of the other two and that is the last impression those teams are going to leave in the minds of the pollsters, BCS committee members, and bowl representatives. And it is there that this perception persists.

By moving those games to the beginning of the season even if the ACC loses those games the rest of the schedule builds them back into contention. The Clemson / Georgia game is a huge shot in the arm for Clemson's national perception. But, those in the know already realized that this Clemson team had a great chance for a special year. Now two things can happen to diminish that great win. If South Carolina beats Georgia by 10 or more points the big win is diminished. Or, if Georgia beats South Carolina and then Clemson has to end the year in Columbia and they lose that game it will be too late in the year to recover even if it is a 1 point loss. If South Carolina becomes that first game of the year instead of Auburn or Georgia then all the Tigers have to do is keep it close. If they win it's a huge boost. If they lose a close one, particularly on the road, it doesn't hurt them that much. Playing these big OOC rivalry games at the end of the year doesn't really benefit the ACC or the SEC that much and needs to be reconsidered. And I might add they take away from conference championship runs because of their intensity. One reason I think that Florida, Georgia and South Carolina have trouble in Atlanta in the championship game is because they have to focus so hard on an OOC opponent right before the championship game. Preparation for a conference opponent, even a rival, is easier because you have a lot more points of comparison and you see them in much of the film you study for other opponents. It simply takes a lot longer to get ready for an OOC tough foe. It may even be a factor as to why there have been so many upsets in the ACC CCG. I'm not sure, but it is a suspicion.

Every year the ACC has at least 6 teams that can hang with the middle to upper end of the SEC. The placement of these games hurts you. It unfortunately also conflicts with the opening of basketball season which diverts part of the conference's attention away from these games and the conclusion of football season (a problem that no contending SEC team has). Because of this I think the ACC should schedule other ACC versus SEC games to open the season. If there were 6 such games the odds of breaking even or at least going 2 -4 or 4 -2 would be greatly enhanced. Let Virginia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, etc. be in the mix and have them vary their SEC opponents and the perception war won't be so lopsided. I've not posted here before and am not likely to do it very often, but I've held these views for this topic for a long time. JR

Forgive me, but I had one other observation. SEC teams tend to play a patsy the week before they play a big rival (whether in conference or not). That gives them a two week preparation period for these games. The SEC also tends to be deeper on the bench than many ACC teams. So by playing these games at the end of the year the SEC teams' depth comes more into play as an advantage. It's a perfect storm that favors our scheduling and depth.
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RE: Is ACC football on the verge of greatness?
(09-06-2013 04:00 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:57 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(09-06-2013 03:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  No, OK State has T Boone Pickens. They've been growing the last decade and are a respectable top 25 team these days. I think they could've and would've knocked off LSU the year Bama snuck in despite not winning their division.

Pickens is a huge benefactor of course. But they've scheduled soft as butter. They didn't get where they are by scheduling tough games out of conference. Gundy threw a fit about them scheduling Miss. St.

So then they went out and scheduled FSU?

Yep, and Gundy is not happy about it. It was rumored to be one of the reasons he seriously considered the Tennessee job.

But when you've been a top 25 team for five years, then you can bite off more. When Syracuse, Virginia, or BC puts together a run like Oklahoma State has had, then I'll have nothing to say about them scheduling a tough game. They still shouldn't schedule two.
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