(09-12-2013 12:04 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  obviously the above is hypothetical and has no basis in realty, but I'll play along.

If the AAC took UMass and Buffalo from the MAC the MAC would improve in the short term. Buffalo has had 1 winning season in 14 in the MAC, UMass has 1 win.

That would leave the MAC at an awkward 11 teams. Do they try to find a 12th, if so, where? Or do they drop a team and stay at a tight 10?

It would behoove the MAC to stay at 12 at a minimum and host a championship game.

Potential candidates for a MAC 12th:

1) Army. They are still officially on the table for the MAC and would put the MAC back into the NY market.

2) Marshall. Herd fans are cool to the idea of rejoining the MAC but CUSA has become very diluted.

3) Appalachian State. The school is about to embark on a transition from FCS to FBS with the Sun Belt Conference. They are kind of out there geographically from the MAC footprint but so was Buffalo.

4) Arkansas State. As the SBC continues to take hits in membership, AState would be a school potentially interested in a 12th position and more stability than the SBC. Louisiana is growing so fast they'll probably be next in line for a CUSA bid over AState so ASU may be receptive to the MAC.

Those are the only 4 from FBS that I think make any sense for the MAC at this time. Unless you want to dig into the FCS ranks which I know you are opposed to.

(09-12-2013 12:38 AM)The Turk Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 12:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:05 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:55 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  1.) UMass
2.) Connecticut
3.) Buffalo
4.) Army
5.) Temple
6.) Navy
7.) Old Dominion
8.) East Carolina

1.) Cincinnati
2.) Memphis
3.) Central Florida
4.) South Florida
5.) Tulane
6.) SMU
7.) Houston
8.) Tulsa

Where is the money in that?

Unreal, the lack of critical thinking that goes into your posts.

says the fan of Temple, UH and UCF named Big East Homer

enjoy your time in the Ack, best of luck

LOL! Thanks for the psych eval.

I will enjoy my time in the AAC just fine, thank you. I enjoy all of the teams, especially the 3 that have awarded my degrees.

please use them well, for the benefit of the internet.

Being a Doctor has its privileges.

(09-12-2013 04:49 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 12:38 AM)The Turk Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 12:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:05 PM)The Turk Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 09:55 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Where is the money in that?

Unreal, the lack of critical thinking that goes into your posts.

says the fan of Temple, UH and UCF named Big East Homer

enjoy your time in the Ack, best of luck

LOL! Thanks for the psych eval.

I will enjoy my time in the AAC just fine, thank you. I enjoy all of the teams, especially the 3 that have awarded my degrees.

please use them well, for the benefit of the internet.

Being a Doctor has its privileges.

(09-12-2013 04:49 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 12:38 AM)The Turk Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 12:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 11:05 PM)The Turk Wrote:  says the fan of Temple, UH and UCF named Big East Homer

enjoy your time in the Ack, best of luck

LOL! Thanks for the psych eval.

I will enjoy my time in the AAC just fine, thank you. I enjoy all of the teams, especially the 3 that have awarded my degrees.

please use them well, for the benefit of the internet.

Being a Doctor has its privileges.

Aren't you in enough trouble already, Mr. Bartlett?

I think UTSA could be a good addition for the AAC in the future.

UTSA could be great in the AAC. Imagine Dallas, Houston AND San Antonio. Talk about cementing the footprint. Not much pro competition there also, just the Spurs... I think they are going to do very well.

(09-12-2013 02:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potential candidates for a MAC 12th:

1) Army. They are still officially on the table for the MAC and would put the MAC back into the NY market.

2) Marshall. Herd fans are cool to the idea of rejoining the MAC but CUSA has become very diluted.

3) Appalachian State. The school is about to embark on a transition from FCS to FBS with the Sun Belt Conference. They are kind of out there geographically from the MAC footprint but so was Buffalo.

4) Arkansas State. As the SBC continues to take hits in membership, AState would be a school potentially interested in a 12th position and more stability than the SBC. Louisiana is growing so fast they'll probably be next in line for a CUSA bid over AState so ASU may be receptive to the MAC.

Those are the only 4 from FBS that I think make any sense for the MAC at this time. Unless you want to dig into the FCS ranks which I know you are opposed to.

Not sure about App State or Ark State. But Marshall fans seem 100% opposed to re-joining the MAC. And MAC fans seem to be 90% opposed.

If Army-football wants to join a conference, they would probably want to join the conference in which Navy-football is a member.

(09-13-2013 09:48 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think UTSA could be a good addition for the AAC in the future.

I think UTSA would be too. But I see that program as more of a back fill if Houston and/or SMU were to leave (Big 12, MWC, ACC, newly formed conference, whatever).

But hey, I didn't think the Big East would have picked up ECU, Tulane and Tulsa either. So who knows, UTSA may be announced tomorrow!

(09-13-2013 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potential candidates for a MAC 12th:

1) Army. They are still officially on the table for the MAC and would put the MAC back into the NY market.

If Army-football wants to join a conference, they would probably want to join the conference in which Navy-football is a member.

I agree with you NG. I think Army is the key for the American Conference.

The football isn't any good, but the prestige and nationwide market it attracts are more valuable than most of the current members and more than some of the members combined. Get Army and the AAC may have a shot at Air Force.

You guys get Army and Air Force, expect your next TV contract numbers to improve noticeably come renegotiation time. Nothing even close to the P5 but a separator from the rest of the G5 for sure.

Army has won its last national championship in football. But there's no inherent reason why they have to suck forever.

(09-13-2013 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potential candidates for a MAC 12th:

1) Army. They are still officially on the table for the MAC and would put the MAC back into the NY market.

2) Marshall. Herd fans are cool to the idea of rejoining the MAC but CUSA has become very diluted.

3) Appalachian State. The school is about to embark on a transition from FCS to FBS with the Sun Belt Conference. They are kind of out there geographically from the MAC footprint but so was Buffalo.

4) Arkansas State. As the SBC continues to take hits in membership, AState would be a school potentially interested in a 12th position and more stability than the SBC. Louisiana is growing so fast they'll probably be next in line for a CUSA bid over AState so ASU may be receptive to the MAC.

Those are the only 4 from FBS that I think make any sense for the MAC at this time. Unless you want to dig into the FCS ranks which I know you are opposed to.

Not sure about App State or Ark State. But Marshall fans seem 100% opposed to re-joining the MAC. And MAC fans seem to be 90% opposed.

If Army-football wants to join a conference, they would probably want to join the conference in which Navy-football is a member.

Marshall has a better chance of joining the AAC if it is raided again over returning to the MAC. If neither materializes Marshall is basically where they need to be and should be.

(09-13-2013 10:30 AM)Bull Wrote:  UTSA could be great in the AAC. Imagine Dallas, Houston AND San Antonio. Talk about cementing the footprint. Not much pro competition there also, just the Spurs... I think they are going to do very well.

With 7 teams in the East and 5 in the West currently for the AAC I have though it makes the most sense to look West for an additional member at this time.

All Sports:

AAC West: UTSA, Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa
AAC East: UConn, Temple Cinncy, ECU, USF, UCF

The football divisions could place Army in with the East schools and Navy in with the West.

(09-13-2013 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 02:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Potential candidates for a MAC 12th:

1) Army. They are still officially on the table for the MAC and would put the MAC back into the NY market.

2) Marshall. Herd fans are cool to the idea of rejoining the MAC but CUSA has become very diluted.

3) Appalachian State. The school is about to embark on a transition from FCS to FBS with the Sun Belt Conference. They are kind of out there geographically from the MAC footprint but so was Buffalo.

4) Arkansas State. As the SBC continues to take hits in membership, AState would be a school potentially interested in a 12th position and more stability than the SBC. Louisiana is growing so fast they'll probably be next in line for a CUSA bid over AState so ASU may be receptive to the MAC.

Those are the only 4 from FBS that I think make any sense for the MAC at this time. Unless you want to dig into the FCS ranks which I know you are opposed to.

Not sure about App State or Ark State. But Marshall fans seem 100% opposed to re-joining the MAC. And MAC fans seem to be 90% opposed.

If Army-football wants to join a conference, they would probably want to join the conference in which Navy-football is a member.

I know. I'm just listing who is potentially available in order of desirability.

Out of all those candidates the most likely for mutual interest is Appalachian State since the MAC would be a more stable situation than the SBC. The SBC due to the D4 thing may see a few members move down to FCS.

There was a plan 18 months ago to bring App, JMU and ODU all into the MAC to go to 16 for football but ODU decided to take CUSA's offer. Once that happened the MAC was less interested in expanding into the Piedmont region.

I don't think Arkansas State would consider the MAC just because of composition of the league changes.

Arkansas State would be more likely to consider such a shift for internal league operations reasons. The league has changed the bowl revenue model. Previously you kept what you sold and if you were going to a remote destination the league would send you enough money to take up the slack on your sales to keep you from losing too much money.

The league has changed that. Now you keep half and half goes into a pool that is used to cover the bowl expenses. Last year A-State sent half its bowl revenue to the league and then the league sent most of it back giving ASU a small profit. Louisiana saw most of its half sent to the league going to subsidize WKU's trip to Detroit

The league is pushing to give Ark-LR and Tex-Arlington a significant portion of the CFP revenue.

(09-09-2013 08:35 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is the shot here because they are trying to push attendance up to 30k, and the endowment is now close to 700 million (tops in the MAC) after the last fundraising drive.

I still believe the cash in the AAC needs to more upfront and also have the conference build some tradition by winning a few CFP bowls before we'll be more comfortable with the idea.

Ohio had some interest in CUSA pre-realigment but after all the moves to that conference its rendered a move there obsolete.

Wait what?

Ohio's endowment is $409 million, Buffalo's is $736.3 million. Ohio's enrollment is 25,300 and UB's is 29,500.

I mean there are a ton of reasons to say Ohio rather than UB, they mostly have to do with, you know, athletics. But you're way off on the numbers.

(09-11-2013 10:13 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  UMass hasn't been to the NCAA tournament for 15 years.

And that's when they were sitting in a league that usually puts what 2 or three teams in?

(09-11-2013 02:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-11-2013 01:34 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Funny how this guy thinks he speaks for Ohio University. He even gets trashed by other MAC fans for his ignorance.

MAC fans on here are a mixed bag.

Some just don't like what I have to say about Ohio setting the MAC revenue record this year and leading the conference in attendance both sports.

I can tell you that I've had more conversations with the upper level of Ohio's leadership on athletics than anyone else on this board. That doesn't mean everything with regard to talking about Ohio that I have all their thinking but I understand a lot of it.

The idea that Ohio isn't desperate to automatically jump in for the AAC like any CUSA school doesn't sit well with some AAC fans. The school likes being in a regional conference that is going to be around more than 10-15 years. I know it sounds a lot like Tallgrass Pollyanna but we do know the AAC is higher ground for Tulsa over CUSA.

Other schools like UMass or Buffalo I could understand wanting to jump at the AAC when offered since their travel costs are higher than an Ohio MAC school. UMass, Buffalo and NIU could all leave for the AAC and the MAC can reload with UDel, JMU and Illinois State without skipping a beat.

Honestly as a Buffalo fan I'd be on the fence. I like the macs stability and think the next TV contract will be in the AAC neighborhood.

For me it's the fact that UB's Alumni are mostly in NYC and on the east coast. The footprint of the AAC fits that better.

(09-13-2013 10:38 AM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:48 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think UTSA could be a good addition for the AAC in the future.

I think UTSA would be too. But I see that program as more of a back fill if Houston and/or SMU were to leave (Big 12, MWC, ACC, newly formed conference, whatever).

But hey, I didn't think the Big East would have picked up ECU, Tulane and Tulsa either. So who knows, UTSA may be announced tomorrow!

We put 41K in the stands against Oklahoma St. We are hoping for similar numbers when we host Houston in two weeks.

CUSA is probably the best Conference for us while we grow and develop. Nice regional teams with west friendly bowl-tie ins. CUSA offers us the same opportunity for BCS busting as AAC.

The league needs to get away from football only schools, basketball only schools. That was one of the problems with the Big East, two divisions of schools, those that play certain sports and those that don't. It's a bad trap to fall into. If a certain school wants only football, we should not accept them. So I'm not for Navy, Air Force or any football only admission to the AAC. If we are going to get any schools, I would look at the MAC conference such as:

1) Toledo
2) Ohio University
3) Marshall
4) Buffalo

BYU and Air Force football only or it's not worth it:

West: SMU, Houston, BYU, Air Force, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa

East: UC, UConn, USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, Temple

Right now, there is not enough value to add existing Eastern based schools. The only brands available are AF and BYU.