(09-26-2013 02:17 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  Ugh. I don't. want. to. get. roped. in. but. it's. so. hard.

"If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?"

Ummm. If you use this logic in any argument, you can't be defeated. If [insert unproven, likely false event] can be done, then [insert another totally unlikely event here] can also be done.

If I'm basing my argument from a Christian perspective, shouldn't I argue from that Christian perspective? Wouldn't it be counter-productive to argue from a non-religious standpoint for something religious?

And I'm still awaiting your argument.

(09-26-2013 02:13 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  [quote='stever20' pid='9772163' dateline='1380219572']
[quote='WKUApollo' pid='9772140' dateline='1380219278']
May be truth here. I heard WKU is backing out of moving to C-USA next year and staying in the SBC.


Yeah we are going to leave a million plus on the table and go
back and collect our 40k a year from the sun belt.

And then piss off all of us Alumni that loved the move to CUSA.

I DONT THINK SO.

I think this means he was kidding...

OK, stop the presses, and all JMU fans can go home. I have a very reliable source that says this is all BS. Nothing going on with C-USA and JMU.

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:38 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:34 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  You tell me when you get actual proof as well. The "science" you attest to has no proof either.

But if you really believe that matter can come from nothing (which goes against one law of science), you keep believing it. Until then, your institute of higher learning can keep teaching evolution and Big Bang. But I'd love, before you bash others beliefs, that you come back and shoot me a message with your actual proof. I have a feeling there won't be any.

OMG. Wow. Just wow. If you believe the earth was created in 6 days...we have nothing to discuss...you're not even a moron, you're a worse kind of species...you a southern, inbred, evangelical knuckle dragger that has no business walking among the rest of us. Go live with the other extremists in a cave somewhere.

(09-26-2013 01:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:34 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  You tell me when you get actual proof as well. The "science" you attest to has no proof either.

But if you really believe that matter can come from nothing (which goes against one law of science), you keep believing it. Until then, your institute of higher learning can keep teaching evolution and Big Bang. But I'd love, before you bash others beliefs, that you come back and shoot me a message with your actual proof. I have a feeling there won't be any.

oh, a religious nut! This should be good! Tell us more...

Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:38 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:34 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  You tell me when you get actual proof as well. The "science" you attest to has no proof either.

But if you really believe that matter can come from nothing (which goes against one law of science), you keep believing it. Until then, your institute of higher learning can keep teaching evolution and Big Bang. But I'd love, before you bash others beliefs, that you come back and shoot me a message with your actual proof. I have a feeling there won't be any.

OMG. Wow. Just wow. If you believe the earth was created in 6 days...we have nothing to discuss...you're not even a moron, you're a worse kind of species...you a southern, inbred, evangelical knuckle dragger that has no business walking among the rest of us. Go live with the other extremists in a cave somewhere.

(09-26-2013 01:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:34 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  You tell me when you get actual proof as well. The "science" you attest to has no proof either.

But if you really believe that matter can come from nothing (which goes against one law of science), you keep believing it. Until then, your institute of higher learning can keep teaching evolution and Big Bang. But I'd love, before you bash others beliefs, that you come back and shoot me a message with your actual proof. I have a feeling there won't be any.

oh, a religious nut! This should be good! Tell us more...

Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

OK fair enough, so the universe isn't really old it just looks old? Well guess what, it also looks like it started from a single point.

(09-26-2013 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:38 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  OMG. Wow. Just wow. If you believe the earth was created in 6 days...we have nothing to discuss...you're not even a moron, you're a worse kind of species...you a southern, inbred, evangelical knuckle dragger that has no business walking among the rest of us. Go live with the other extremists in a cave somewhere.

(09-26-2013 01:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:   oh, a religious nut! This should be good! Tell us more...

Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

OK fair enough, so the universe isn't really old it just looks old? Well guess what, it also looks like it started from a single point.

That point being God.

I can see truth in the positions held by both sides.

(09-26-2013 02:18 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  What dog do you have in this fight

None, but when your fans start rubbing it in others faces multiple times on this thread and start saying things like “your welcome” and lucky to have us because of academics and this and that I thought that maybe it needs to be pointed out. There are only a few FBS schools (you can just about count on one hand) that have missions similar to your University. You guys do that part well but you aren’t exactly joining most like minded universities in FBS in what all they offer their students.

(09-26-2013 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:38 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  OMG. Wow. Just wow. If you believe the earth was created in 6 days...we have nothing to discuss...you're not even a moron, you're a worse kind of species...you a southern, inbred, evangelical knuckle dragger that has no business walking among the rest of us. Go live with the other extremists in a cave somewhere.

(09-26-2013 01:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:   oh, a religious nut! This should be good! Tell us more...

Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

It's based on faith. And I'm saying that I could answer that question with my faith.

(09-26-2013 02:22 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

I've looked into science. I'm wanting to know if you have a different reason that I should believe science on these points. I have some points of science I completely believe. I'm not against science. I'm just against people defining stuff as definite fact and denying that it could be wrong, especially when it has VERY little evidence to support it.

And because I know it's coming, no that's not the same as religion. Religion is based on having faith. We admit that. Big Bang theorists can use this motion too, and I'll gladly let you hold to that. The Big Bang Theory is as much based on faith as is Christianity if not more. But it's far from a fact.

I'm not trying to come off as a hateful religious bigot. If I have, then I apologize sincerely. I just don't like when my religion gets attacked out of the blue with zero proof supporting their side. I'm just looking for proof.

(09-26-2013 02:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

OK fair enough, so the universe isn't really old it just looks old? Well guess what, it also looks like it started from a single point.

That point being God.

I can see truth in the positions held by both sides.

That point being God? NO, it's the flying spaghetti monster! Don't you know anything?!?!

Shouldn't all of this be moved to a pimping board?

(09-26-2013 02:25 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

OK fair enough, so the universe isn't really old it just looks old? Well guess what, it also looks like it started from a single point.

That point being God.

I can see truth in the positions held by both sides.

Well sure, but the question is was the time between then and now real or is God punking us and just made it look like that's what happened but really he just waved his hand and poof we're at the beginning of humankind? And if that's what you beleive then you have to ask why? Right?

Wow. This joke of a thread turned into a disaster.

(09-26-2013 02:29 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

It's based on faith. And I'm saying that I could answer that question with my faith.

(09-26-2013 02:22 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

I've looked into science. I'm wanting to know if you have a different reason that I should believe science on these points. I have some points of science I completely believe. I'm not against science. I'm just against people defining stuff as definite fact and denying that it could be wrong, especially when it has VERY little evidence to support it.

And because I know it's coming, no that's not the same as religion. Religion is based on having faith. We admit that. Big Bang theorists can use this motion too, and I'll gladly let you hold to that. The Big Bang Theory is as much based on faith as is Christianity if not more. But it's far from a fact.

I'm not trying to come off as a hateful religious bigot. If I have, then I apologize sincerely. I just don't like when my religion gets attacked out of the blue with zero proof supporting their side. I'm just looking for proof.

There's no evidence to suggest that the Bible is true... So what makes you have faith? Because you were told at a young age it's true and to fear everything else that tells you otherwise?

Can't believe I'm actually responding to the religion segment of this thread but:

Those who argue Science miss the whole point of the supernatural. The supernatural exists outside the laws of nature (thus..."supernatural") and thus can't be proven with science and does not abide by the laws of nature. That's the whole point.

Regardless, I'm not saying one or the other is right.

Moving on. I'm doubtful there's much fire behind this smoke out of the JMU message boards but what do I know?

(09-26-2013 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:38 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  OMG. Wow. Just wow. If you believe the earth was created in 6 days...we have nothing to discuss...you're not even a moron, you're a worse kind of species...you a southern, inbred, evangelical knuckle dragger that has no business walking among the rest of us. Go live with the other extremists in a cave somewhere.

(09-26-2013 01:41 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:   oh, a religious nut! This should be good! Tell us more...

Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

OK fair enough, so the universe isn't really old it just looks old? Well guess what, it also looks like it started from a single point.

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who spread out the earth by myself,
-Isaiah 44:24

The universe ever expands as God expands it.


Funny thing about the word "universe." It literally means "one simple sentence." One simple sentence...."And the LORD said 'Let there be light."

C'mon guys.

Take the theology elsewhere.

(09-26-2013 02:29 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 01:54 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  Give me your proof. Your ad hominem arguments just make you look like the immature person here. Quite frankly, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe came from nothing then some stuff came from somewhere(no explanation as to where), was about the size of a period on this page, then spun fast enough and exploded into the universe we have now. And that doesn't even go into the other half of the Big Bang Theory where a closed universe, such as the one we live in, not only expands, but contracts. Heads up ladies and gentlemen! We don't have to worry about global warming. We need to worry about global squishing!

It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

It's based on faith. And I'm saying that I could answer that question with my faith.

(09-26-2013 02:22 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

I've looked into science. I'm wanting to know if you have a different reason that I should believe science on these points. I have some points of science I completely believe. I'm not against science. I'm just against people defining stuff as definite fact and denying that it could be wrong, especially when it has VERY little evidence to support it.

And because I know it's coming, no that's not the same as religion. Religion is based on having faith. We admit that. Big Bang theorists can use this motion too, and I'll gladly let you hold to that. The Big Bang Theory is as much based on faith as is Christianity if not more. But it's far from a fact.

I'm not trying to come off as a hateful religious bigot. If I have, then I apologize sincerely. I just don't like when my religion gets attacked out of the blue with zero proof supporting their side. I'm just looking for proof.

Faith isn't an answer...Science says "I can prove..." Faith says "I believe..."

I'll always choose what can be proven, over what someone believes.

(09-26-2013 02:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:29 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

It's based on faith. And I'm saying that I could answer that question with my faith.

(09-26-2013 02:22 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

I've looked into science. I'm wanting to know if you have a different reason that I should believe science on these points. I have some points of science I completely believe. I'm not against science. I'm just against people defining stuff as definite fact and denying that it could be wrong, especially when it has VERY little evidence to support it.

And because I know it's coming, no that's not the same as religion. Religion is based on having faith. We admit that. Big Bang theorists can use this motion too, and I'll gladly let you hold to that. The Big Bang Theory is as much based on faith as is Christianity if not more. But it's far from a fact.

I'm not trying to come off as a hateful religious bigot. If I have, then I apologize sincerely. I just don't like when my religion gets attacked out of the blue with zero proof supporting their side. I'm just looking for proof.

I'll always choose what can be proven, over what someone believes.

Good for you. Thanks for your opinion that no one cares about.

(09-26-2013 02:32 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:29 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:15 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(09-26-2013 02:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  It's called carbon dating...the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

If God can make a mature Adam, what stops Him from making a mature earth?

Prove he made Adam and I'll consider it...science has hard evidence in carbon dating and radiometric dating.

It's based on faith. And I'm saying that I could answer that question with my faith.

(09-26-2013 02:22 PM)JMUSkinsfan Wrote:  What am I supposed to argue? If you don't believe in science, nothing I say is going to convince you. I'm not wasting my time on it. If you wanted to understand scientific principles and discoveries you would look into it on your own and give it some credence, but clearly you refuse to do that.

Science/Research > a book that was written 300 years after the events of said book and been manipulated over past 1,800 yards by hundreds of influencers.

Never Mind. Not sure why i'm even saying anything

I've looked into science. I'm wanting to know if you have a different reason that I should believe science on these points. I have some points of science I completely believe. I'm not against science. I'm just against people defining stuff as definite fact and denying that it could be wrong, especially when it has VERY little evidence to support it.

And because I know it's coming, no that's not the same as religion. Religion is based on having faith. We admit that. Big Bang theorists can use this motion too, and I'll gladly let you hold to that. The Big Bang Theory is as much based on faith as is Christianity if not more. But it's far from a fact.

I'm not trying to come off as a hateful religious bigot. If I have, then I apologize sincerely. I just don't like when my religion gets attacked out of the blue with zero proof supporting their side. I'm just looking for proof.

There's no evidence to suggest that the Bible is true... So what makes you have faith? Because you were told at a young age it's true and to fear everything else that tells you otherwise?

I mean sure I was raised to be a Christian. But if I left it at that, my faith would have died off years ago. I had to make my faith my own. You don't go through a Liberal Arts college like Southern Miss and make it out with faith if you don't make your faith your own. My faith matured as I grew and as God worked in my life.

And there's a lot of evidence of the Bible's legitimacy. Sure, there are areas that require a lot of faith. But others have plenty of primary sources backing up exactly what was said and done.