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RE: How is Souther Miss 0-10??
Ace, I've considered you an insider and therefore biased for quite a while now. But if what you posted is true (and I think that is indeed likely) then I think we should drop football. The sport has become nothing but an expensive embarrassment for the university as a whole. Every time we're mentioned, it's as the 0-24 team, or the team that got kicked out of the conference it helped found, etc. No one is going to the games. No one is watching. What purpose does football serve?
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(11-18-2013 10:28 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Ace, I've considered you an insider and therefore biased for quite a while now. But if what you posted is true (and I think that is indeed likely) then I think we should drop football. The sport has become nothing but an expensive embarrassment for the university as a whole. Every time we're mentioned, it's as the 0-24 team, or the team that got kicked out of the conference it helped found, etc. No one is going to the games. No one is watching. What purpose does football serve?

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(11-17-2013 07:15 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 04:50 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:06 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 08:55 PM)10miners Wrote:  what happened?

Coach Bower was fired.

We won 12 games four years after firing Bower. We never would've won that many under Bower. Firing him wasn't the problem.

True (12 games) but I contend that there is no way USM would be looking at back to back seasons without a win if Bower was still the coach at USM.

I'd rather have big win seasons and suffer through some bad seasons rather than be consistently just above mediocre.
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(11-16-2013 09:06 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 08:55 PM)10miners Wrote:  what happened?

Coach Bower was fired.

Yep. You nailed it.
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(11-18-2013 11:48 PM)EagleX Wrote:  
(11-18-2013 10:28 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Ace, I've considered you an insider and therefore biased for quite a while now. But if what you posted is true (and I think that is indeed likely) then I think we should drop football. The sport has become nothing but an expensive embarrassment for the university as a whole. Every time we're mentioned, it's as the 0-24 team, or the team that got kicked out of the conference it helped found, etc. No one is going to the games. No one is watching. What purpose does football serve?

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I agree with you EagleX.

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(11-19-2013 12:29 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 07:15 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 04:50 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:06 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 08:55 PM)10miners Wrote:  what happened?

Coach Bower was fired.

We won 12 games four years after firing Bower. We never would've won that many under Bower. Firing him wasn't the problem.

True (12 games) but I contend that there is no way USM would be looking at back to back seasons without a win if Bower was still the coach at USM.

I'd rather have big win seasons and suffer through some bad seasons rather than be consistently just above mediocre.

Your nuts. no way I would trade 12-2 for 0-12, 0-12, 0-........

Firing Jeff Bower was a mistake
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(11-19-2013 10:43 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 12:29 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 07:15 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 04:50 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:06 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  Coach Bower was fired.

We won 12 games four years after firing Bower. We never would've won that many under Bower. Firing him wasn't the problem.

True (12 games) but I contend that there is no way USM would be looking at back to back seasons without a win if Bower was still the coach at USM.

I'd rather have big win seasons and suffer through some bad seasons rather than be consistently just above mediocre.

Your nuts. no way I would trade 12-2 for 0-12, 0-12, 0-........

Firing Jeff Bower was a mistake

A lot of USM fans would disagree with you and a lot of USM fans would agree with you. I agree but it does not matter as that is well into the past. Coach Bower is doing well with his new grandson, spending time with his family and friends and enjoying life. He usually attends the home football games so he is around the campus often.

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From football scoop today.. Don't know if this is first of many to come..

Southern Miss: Offensive line coach Petey Perot is no longer with the staff.
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(11-19-2013 02:27 PM)owl40 Wrote:  From football scoop today.. Don't know if this is first of many to come..

Southern Miss: Offensive line coach Petey Perot is no longer with the staff.

Yep, he's gone.
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USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

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(11-16-2013 08:55 PM)10miners Wrote:  I haven't been following c-usa or even much of college football this season,since Utep is doing bad. But wow Southern Miss is even worst than UTEP?? What did I miss? Do they have some major injuries,, what happened?

This thread got well off topic, but let me see if I can answer this question for you:

Going into the season, we were reliant on a transfer QB who only set foot on campus at the beginning of August. We had experience at running back, but were very short on experience at receiver and especially on offensive line. On defense, we had a number of starters back, but we were very thin on depth. This was especially true in the secondary.

We, as fans, were not entirely unaware of our potential plight. A number of pointed to the inexperience of the coaching staff and the thin depth chart before the season even began. However, we all felt that enough would go right for us to win some football games.

What has happened is that nothing has gone right. Not necessarily horribly wrong as it did in 2012, but not right at all.

First, the QB simply didn't turn out as we hoped he would. Bridgford is terrible. That leaves us starting a true freshman. As any of our opponents can attest to, he tends to play a whole lot like a kid who was in high school five months ago. In other words, he will follow up a few nice plays where he makes something happen with the ugliest most ill-timed turnover you have ever seen. We have been knocked out of more games early on this year because of pick sixes and red zone turnovers than I think I have seen us knocked out of in all the previous years of Southern Miss football that I have seen, combined.

Next, the receivers and offensive line have simply not progressed the way we hoped they would. Specifically, the offensive line has gotten better at putting a hat on a hat, but they are still not getting hardly any push at all, and the inability of the true freshmen receivers we are relying on to create separation combines with this to create breakdowns in protection far too quickly. When it works, the line holds long enough, the receivers get open enough, and Mullens can throw a nice ball. The problem is it never works long enough for us to score points.

I can't say this enough: We have a sophomore snapping the ball to a true freshman, who can then hand the ball off to his choice of underclassmen (and one senior who does not start) or throw it to his choice of true freshmen, all behind a line full of first and second year players...and the second string is in even worse shape than the first.

This is not the result of injury. We are in this situation partly because of natural attrition from a 12-2 team but moreso because of the poor recruiting and forced attrition attributable to back-to-back-to-back coaching changes.

Defense, on the other hand, is directly the result of injury. We had eight starters back from last year, and pretty much all of them except Khyri Thornton (DT) have missed significant playing time because of injury. What has been most devastating is that the worst injuries seem to have hit the best players on this unit. For example, Deron Wilson, on the Thorpe watch list to begin the season, won't play a down this year because of a foot injury. With a thin two deep, even one of these injuries would have been tough to overcome. As it is, the defense is in the same position right now as the offense: burning redshirts as far as the eye can see.

Special teams has been no better off: Acosta hasn't been very good, but we have no one to replace him with. We are relying on a true freshman at punter. Coverage teams have probably been the brightest spot on the team for us, but that isn't saying much when you can't kick the ball, can't stop teams from moving the ball on your defense, and can't move the ball with your offense, at least not without turning it over repeatedly.

Essentially, we are fielding a composite of the best players from both sides of last year's Mississippi-Alabama High School All Star Game, with a fistful of blue chippers cherry-picked off the top by the SEC. The results are about what you would expect from high school players facing off against guys who are three and four years removed from high school. I mean this quite literally: there are times when we have eight first year players on the field at once. Sometimes, there is only one player who was on the roster in 2011 on the field.
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(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

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I respectfully disagree with that prediction.
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(11-19-2013 05:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

04-cheers

I respectfully disagree with that prediction.

I don't know. CUSA is pretty weak and will probably get worse in the next few years. At some point USM starts to beat these teams.
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(11-19-2013 05:19 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

04-cheers

I respectfully disagree with that prediction.

I don't know. CUSA is pretty weak and will probably get worse in the next few years. At some point USM starts to beat these teams.

If you buy into Andrewhere's worst case scenario, Monken won't progress as a coach, but we won't replace him because we can't afford to. The masses of freshmen we are playing now won't get much better because they won't have the coaching, and recruiting won't help us out either.

I would prefer to see the glass as half full myself, but then I thought enough would go right for us this year to end up bowl eligible. Instead, FAU is basically doing what I thought we would do: taking advantage of the schedule to turn out a bowl eligible team in what should be a rebuilding year.
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I saw their record the other day and it bummed me out. Not many other teams out there have performed as consistently well historically on a relatively small budget and market. You guys deserve a spot at the table, and I'd love it if you had made the move with us.
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(11-19-2013 05:19 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

04-cheers

I respectfully disagree with that prediction.

I don't know. CUSA is pretty weak and will probably get worse in the next few years. At some point USM starts to beat these teams.

Actually, C-USA will easily be as good as the AAC in three years and probably better in basketball. See...anyone can make a statement on here...lol
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(11-19-2013 10:43 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 12:29 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 07:15 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  
(11-17-2013 04:50 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  
(11-16-2013 09:06 PM)CheeseSndwch Wrote:  Coach Bower was fired.

We won 12 games four years after firing Bower. We never would've won that many under Bower. Firing him wasn't the problem.

True (12 games) but I contend that there is no way USM would be looking at back to back seasons without a win if Bower was still the coach at USM.

I'd rather have big win seasons and suffer through some bad seasons rather than be consistently just above mediocre.

Your nuts. no way I would trade 12-2 for 0-12, 0-12, 0-........

Firing Jeff Bower was a mistake

Jeff Bower would've retired by now anyway. He's a grandpa and has plenty of money.
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(11-19-2013 05:25 PM)Freshy Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:19 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

04-cheers

I respectfully disagree with that prediction.

I don't know. CUSA is pretty weak and will probably get worse in the next few years. At some point USM starts to beat these teams.

If you buy into Andrewhere's worst case scenario, Monken won't progress as a coach, but we won't replace him because we can't afford to. The masses of freshmen we are playing now won't get much better because they won't have the coaching, and recruiting won't help us out either.

I would prefer to see the glass as half full myself, but then I thought enough would go right for us this year to end up bowl eligible. Instead, FAU is basically doing what I thought we would do: taking advantage of the schedule to turn out a bowl eligible team in what should be a rebuilding year.
I think he'll improve, I just don't think it will be enough to get us where we were any time soon, maybe ever. Ten years ago we were in a conference with Louisville, TCU, and Cincy and we were crushing them. When's that gonna happen again? My money is on "never" and I'm not alone in that respect. The attitude that led to that is gone, and that extends from the waterboys to the fans to the HC to the AD. Look at the way people mollycoddle Monken on this board. That ain't my Southern Miss (class of '99).

Another misconception is that I said we couldn't afford to fire Monken. We shouldn't fire him because of continuity. But if you consider how easy it was to fire EJ (it took one big money game), I think you'll agree: we can fire him if we want to.

What we should do (and won't) is throw money at the problem. Expand the stadium, hire Petrino, and start selling tickets again. We won't, because we're not Brett Favre U any more. We're Tommy Waters U now.
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(11-20-2013 11:26 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:25 PM)Freshy Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:19 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 05:18 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(11-19-2013 04:17 PM)MeanGreenGem Wrote:  USM will be bowl elgible in 2015 or 2016. Mark it!

They've bottomed out this season, 2014 will be a "we finally got this ship goin' in the right direction" kind of year. In the G5 Year 3 can be a magical kind of year.

04-cheers

I respectfully disagree with that prediction.

I don't know. CUSA is pretty weak and will probably get worse in the next few years. At some point USM starts to beat these teams.

If you buy into Andrewhere's worst case scenario, Monken won't progress as a coach, but we won't replace him because we can't afford to. The masses of freshmen we are playing now won't get much better because they won't have the coaching, and recruiting won't help us out either.

I would prefer to see the glass as half full myself, but then I thought enough would go right for us this year to end up bowl eligible. Instead, FAU is basically doing what I thought we would do: taking advantage of the schedule to turn out a bowl eligible team in what should be a rebuilding year.
I think he'll improve, I just don't think it will be enough to get us where we were any time soon, maybe ever. Ten years ago we were in a conference with Louisville, TCU, and Cincy and we were crushing them. When's that gonna happen again? My money is on "never" and I'm not alone in that respect. The attitude that led to that is gone, and that extends from the waterboys to the fans to the HC to the AD. Look at the way people mollycoddle Monken on this board. That ain't my Southern Miss (class of '99).

Another misconception is that I said we couldn't afford to fire Monken. We shouldn't fire him because of continuity. But if you consider how easy it was to fire EJ (it took one big money game), I think you'll agree: we can fire him if we want to.

What we should do (and won't) is throw money at the problem. Expand the stadium, hire Petrino, and start selling tickets again. We won't, because we're not Brett Favre U any more. We're Tommy Waters U now.

I respect what Southern Miss. has done in the past and also respect your program, but you make it out like you guys were in the SEC dominating not too long ao.....You have had some really good seasons, but you have always been like other CUSA schools in that you are the 3rd or below team in your respective state in every category that counts like money, resources, etc....You should really stop making it seem like SOuthern Miss was a top 10 program in the 90's ..Reading your posts you would think Southern Miss was playing for national titles in the 90s and 2000's.....

You seriously think Petrino is going to leave WKU to take on a huge rebuilding project and at this point a lateral or downgrade move?..You are out of your mind if you think you guys could wave even 2 mil and he would show up..You are seriously out of reality or need a dose of reality one......
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