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RE: Divisional realignment coming? Don't shoot the messenger !!
I would almost bet this first year once Louisville is a full member amongst the ACC the division realignment will be looked at. If it happens before hand then I hope the permanent cross over game is looked at as well, but I would bet this will be something that takes place when is anyones guess.
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If pods were the option who do you think would be in pods together
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Clemson v. FSU would create the most interest in a championship game, and it would also create the most competitive conference championship game possible. Also, a Clemson-GT trade would give FSU a yearly in-conference game against GT, which is (apparently) important to FSU because of all the alumni who (apparently) live in Atlanta.

However, there's no way that Clemson is going to be happy making a FSU-Miami trade, and I would be amazed if FSU lost Clemson without throwing a HUGE fit. Although if FSU and Clemson met in the ACCCG every year, it wouldn't really matter that they weren't in the same conference, because they would still appear on each other's schedule. They would have to share revenue from the game, but some of that would be offset by playing Miami (Clemson) and GT (FSU) more, so the impact might not be THAT bad.

Beyond that, I think that VT, UVA, UMD/UL, and BC might switch crossover partners. I can see BC playing UVA and UL playing VT.
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(12-07-2013 03:40 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:11 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  I had heard that the Clemson AD had spoke in an interview recently that divisional realignment may be a very big reality soon. So I got in touch with my friend and this is what I learned. The decision to put Louisville in the Atlantic was a quick decision and has no merit, which means the whole arugment that the two divisions are equal is moot. Clemson is upset it doesn't get to see North Carolina and Virginia, two founding members, but once every decade in Death Valley. FSU wants georgia Tech. At next months winter meetings some intense discussions are supposed to happen, Swofford is in favor of trying some new options which may need some NCAA approval. Such as no divisions at all, or new divisions every year. North Vs South has also been discussed with Wake forest and/or Miami in the north and Virginia in the south. A move back to 9 games may also be back in the cards. Pods that are differently numbered is also a possibility, I don't understand how that would work. There is also a push for just the best two teams to play for the conference title not just Coastal vs Atlantic.

Edit: Apparently one pod idea is two pods of 5 and one of 4 apparently was a suggestion by several ADs. If someone knows how that could work let me know
I will post some more info later, let me know what y'all think
This is how I would do three pods.
Pod 3 are two pairs that get rotated between Division 1 and Division 2. Everyone keeps a permanent rival in the other division. You play your 6 division mates, permanent rival then rotate through the other 4 opponents (Pod 3 plays each other every year). So you play everyone every four years instead of 6 now (Pod 3 would play everyone home/home in four years).

Division 1 Division 2
FSU---- Miami
NCSU--- UNC
Wake--- Duke
Clemson- UVA
GT ----- VT

Pod 3
Syracuse--BC
Louisville--Pitt

Here is another scenario for those that think the North is getting picked on.

Division 1 Division 2
VT ---- UVA
NCSU -- UNC
Wake-- Duke
Pitt ----Syracuse
BC --- Louisville

Pod 3
FSU - Miami
GT -- Clemson

I think scenario one is perfect, annual games with Louisville, BC, and Syracuse and everyone else every other year sounds great to me for Pitt.
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More than likely it will end up being some minor changes, convincing Va Tech, and Virginia and their North Carolina pals will be key to making big changes.
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(12-07-2013 03:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:40 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:11 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  I had heard that the Clemson AD had spoke in an interview recently that divisional realignment may be a very big reality soon. So I got in touch with my friend and this is what I learned. The decision to put Louisville in the Atlantic was a quick decision and has no merit, which means the whole arugment that the two divisions are equal is moot. Clemson is upset it doesn't get to see North Carolina and Virginia, two founding members, but once every decade in Death Valley. FSU wants georgia Tech. At next months winter meetings some intense discussions are supposed to happen, Swofford is in favor of trying some new options which may need some NCAA approval. Such as no divisions at all, or new divisions every year. North Vs South has also been discussed with Wake forest and/or Miami in the north and Virginia in the south. A move back to 9 games may also be back in the cards. Pods that are differently numbered is also a possibility, I don't understand how that would work. There is also a push for just the best two teams to play for the conference title not just Coastal vs Atlantic.

Edit: Apparently one pod idea is two pods of 5 and one of 4 apparently was a suggestion by several ADs. If someone knows how that could work let me know
I will post some more info later, let me know what y'all think
This is how I would do three pods.
Pod 3 are two pairs that get rotated between Division 1 and Division 2. Everyone keeps a permanent rival in the other division. You play your 6 division mates, permanent rival then rotate through the other 4 opponents (Pod 3 plays each other every year). So you play everyone every four years instead of 6 now (Pod 3 would play everyone home/home in four years).

Division 1 Division 2
FSU---- Miami
NCSU--- UNC
Wake--- Duke
Clemson- UVA
GT ----- VT

Pod 3
Syracuse--BC
Louisville--Pitt

Here is another scenario for those that think the North is getting picked on.

Division 1 Division 2
VT ---- UVA
NCSU -- UNC
Wake-- Duke
Pitt ----Syracuse
BC --- Louisville

Pod 3
FSU - Miami
GT -- Clemson

I think scenario one is perfect, annual games with Louisville, BC, and Syracuse and everyone else every other year sounds great to me for Pitt.

Gross.
Pitt playing UL and SU every year and SU playing Pitt and BC every year makes a LOT more sense than Pitt playing BC and SU every year and SU playing Pitt and UL. Change it accordingly and it would work for me. However, losing Pitt and BC as yearly games is a non-starter.
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RE: Divisional realignment coming? Don't shoot the messenger !!
Some things to remember:

1. Splitting Clemson and FSU is a priority
2. UNC/NCSU must play each year
3. UNC/UVa must play each year
4. UNC/Duke must play each year
5. NCSU/Clemson must play each year
6. FSU/Miami must play each year
7. VT must have one game a year in the State of NC
8. VT and UVa must play each year
9. FSU wants to avoid Duke and WF
10. The ACC wants Pitt/Syracuse to play each year
11. BC wants to play Syracuse every year
12. GT wants to play FSU or Clemson every year
13. Everyone not in Florida wants a game with a Florida team each year

IIRC these are the deal breakers.

To get close to this you get:

Miami - FSU
Clemson - GT
UNC - Louis
NCSU - Pitt
UVa - VT
Duke - Wake
BC - Syracuse
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The pod idea is a message board staple and it never makes any sense whatsoever.

Come on, guys, they are not going to go to unevenly numbered pods. The whole idea here is to make things clearer and less political, not even murkier and more political.

Can you imagine the whining and the moaning the first time a team from a four team pod beats out a team from a five team pod for a spot in the CCG? It would be like nothing you've ever seen before.

Pods may begin to make some sense if we go to 16 teams but they don't make any sense whatsoever at 14 or 15 teams.
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(12-07-2013 04:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some things to remember:

1. Splitting Clemson and FSU is a priority
2. UNC/NCSU must play each year
3. UNC/UVa must play each year
4. UNC/Duke must play each year
5. NCSU/Clemson must play each year
6. FSU/Miami must play each year
7. VT must have one game a year in the State of NC
8. VT and UVa must play each year
9. FSU wants to avoid Duke and WF
10. The ACC wants Pitt/Syracuse to play each year
11. BC wants to play Syracuse every year
12. GT wants to play FSU or Clemson every year
13. Everyone not in Florida wants a game with a Florida team each year

IIRC these are the deal breakers.

To get close to this you get:

Miami - FSU
Clemson - GT
UNC - Louis
NCSU - Pitt
UVa - VT
Duke - Wake
BC - Syracuse

That works for me.
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(12-07-2013 04:11 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  The pod idea is a message board staple and it never makes any sense whatsoever.

Come on, guys, they are not going to go to unevenly numbered pods. The whole idea here is to make things clearer and less political, not even murkier and more political.

Can you imagine the whining and the moaning the first time a team from a four team pod beats out a team from a five team pod for a spot in the CCG? It would be like nothing you've ever seen before.

Pods may begin to make some sense if we go to 16 teams but they don't make any sense whatsoever at 14 or 15 teams.

Three divisions can work if you have a semi-final with a wild card team. However the NCAA has to authorize a 14th regular season game. This is one way to accommodate larger sizes, but don't ignore the basketball issues as well.
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Competition and exposure should be #1 if the current setup maximizes that then keep it the same if not tweak the divisions.
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(12-07-2013 04:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 04:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some things to remember:

1. Splitting Clemson and FSU is a priority
2. UNC/NCSU must play each year
3. UNC/UVa must play each year
4. UNC/Duke must play each year
5. NCSU/Clemson must play each year
6. FSU/Miami must play each year
7. VT must have one game a year in the State of NC
8. VT and UVa must play each year
9. FSU wants to avoid Duke and WF
10. The ACC wants Pitt/Syracuse to play each year
11. BC wants to play Syracuse every year
12. GT wants to play FSU or Clemson every year
13. Everyone not in Florida wants a game with a Florida team each year

IIRC these are the deal breakers.

To get close to this you get:

Miami - FSU
Clemson - GT
UNC - Louis
NCSU - Pitt
UVa - VT
Duke - Wake
BC - Syracuse

That works for me.

Once ND is satisfied with it's partner and a 13th regular season game is added, ND would likely plug into the West, but it would depend on the ND partner - there's a hell of difference between Navy and Texas. ND and Navy could plug in - adding Texas would cause another shuffle. Or maybe not.
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(12-07-2013 04:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:56 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:40 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 03:11 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  I had heard that the Clemson AD had spoke in an interview recently that divisional realignment may be a very big reality soon. So I got in touch with my friend and this is what I learned. The decision to put Louisville in the Atlantic was a quick decision and has no merit, which means the whole arugment that the two divisions are equal is moot. Clemson is upset it doesn't get to see North Carolina and Virginia, two founding members, but once every decade in Death Valley. FSU wants georgia Tech. At next months winter meetings some intense discussions are supposed to happen, Swofford is in favor of trying some new options which may need some NCAA approval. Such as no divisions at all, or new divisions every year. North Vs South has also been discussed with Wake forest and/or Miami in the north and Virginia in the south. A move back to 9 games may also be back in the cards. Pods that are differently numbered is also a possibility, I don't understand how that would work. There is also a push for just the best two teams to play for the conference title not just Coastal vs Atlantic.

Edit: Apparently one pod idea is two pods of 5 and one of 4 apparently was a suggestion by several ADs. If someone knows how that could work let me know
I will post some more info later, let me know what y'all think
This is how I would do three pods.
Pod 3 are two pairs that get rotated between Division 1 and Division 2. Everyone keeps a permanent rival in the other division. You play your 6 division mates, permanent rival then rotate through the other 4 opponents (Pod 3 plays each other every year). So you play everyone every four years instead of 6 now (Pod 3 would play everyone home/home in four years).

Division 1 Division 2
FSU---- Miami
NCSU--- UNC
Wake--- Duke
Clemson- UVA
GT ----- VT

Pod 3
Syracuse--BC
Louisville--Pitt

Here is another scenario for those that think the North is getting picked on.

Division 1 Division 2
VT ---- UVA
NCSU -- UNC
Wake-- Duke
Pitt ----Syracuse
BC --- Louisville

Pod 3
FSU - Miami
GT -- Clemson

I think scenario one is perfect, annual games with Louisville, BC, and Syracuse and everyone else every other year sounds great to me for Pitt.

Gross.
Pitt playing UL and SU every year and SU playing Pitt and BC every year makes a LOT more sense than Pitt playing BC and SU every year and SU playing Pitt and UL. Change it accordingly and it would work for me. However, losing Pitt and BC as yearly games is a non-starter.

Then just go with option 1. Not everyone gets to play 100% of the teams they want.
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Assumption: UVa, VT, UNC and Duke must be in the same division.

Solution: East/West divisions.

East: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, UVa, VT, UNC, Duke
West: UL, NCSU, WFU, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

Recruiting:
East: NC, VA, PA, NJ/NY, MA/CT
West: FL, GA, SC, NC, KY

To balance for recruiting, guarantee every East team should play 1 game vs. either FSU or Miami every year, or else they get BOTH Clemson AND Ga Tech in years they don't.
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(12-07-2013 04:16 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Competition and exposure should be #1 if the current setup maximizes that then keep it the same if not tweak the divisions.

There have been issues since the beginning. NC State and Duke are 10 miles apart yet play twice every 14 years. Clemson and FSU in the same division is a problem if they are going to remain the best two programs for a while. Not every itch can be scratched and some of the issues are over basketball.
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(12-07-2013 04:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Assumption: UVa, VT, UNC and Duke must be in the same division.

Solution: East/West divisions.

East: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, UVa, VT, UNC, Duke
West: UL, NCSU, WFU, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

Recruiting:
East: NC, VA, PA, NJ/NY, MA/CT
West: FL, GA, SC, NC, KY

To balance for recruiting, guarantee every East team should play 1 game vs. either FSU or Miami every year, or else they get BOTH Clemson AND Ga Tech in years they don't.

Don't worry about that. That's one of the deal breakers.
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As I wrote earlier, as a Pitt fan, I'm relatively agnostic about realignment. No matter how things work out, we're going to be pretty much the same. I see plusses and minuses with every configuration presented.

Take playing Miami vs. playing Florida State for example. Miami offers better recruiting opportunities and a shared tradition that we don't have with FSU. However, FSU travels better than the U and road trips to Tallahassee every other year would be more appealing than semiannual games in Sun Life Stadium. At the end of the day, it's basically a wash (with a slight edge to the Hurricanes).

I just want to make the point that to make this work, Pitt has given up (for now at least) annual full gates and nationally televised games versus West Virginia and Notre Dame. As such, I don't have a helluva lot of compassion for people whining about losing their fifth biggest game on their schedule because of how it impacts their tradition. I'm not talking about the big ones (UNC/NCSU, FSU/MIA, etc.). I'm just saying that we've all been forced to make changes here to make this work and if one or two schools other than Pitt have to make sacrifices, that's how it goes. We have already made our sacrifices. It's someone else's turn.
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My $0.02

First and foremost, this is about a 9 game schedule that includes a modified rotation for cross-division opponents -- so Clemson can get game dates from North Carolina than South Carolina currently does.

For the newbies -- the Clemson/North Carolina football rivalry was as nasty, intense and antagonistic as any in the nation.

Secondarily, I believe Clemson is kinda speaking up for Virginia who, I'm pretty sure, is not happy being assigned as Louisville's cross-dvision rivalry.

This really has nothing to do with Clemson being unhappy in a division with FSU. While we fans *think* a Clemson/FSU pair in the ACCCG would be best, remember that:

1) The original divisions were crafted so we'd see a pairing that's yet to happen -- FSU/Miami, and
2) Clemson and FSU are likely very happy with the gate $$$$ each season.

So.. in addition to adopting a 9-game schedule, what school switches places with Louisvilleā€¦?

Scenario I:

- North Carolina, Virginia and Duke are tied to the hip, so rule them out.

- Virginia Tech is tied to the hip with Virginia, AND moving them to the Atlantic would create a perceived imbalance.

- North Carolina is not giving up semi-annual trips to Atlanta, so rule Georgia Tech out.

That leaves Miami or Pitt.

Moving Miami creates the same kind of perceived division imbalance that would happen with a VT move.

That leaves Pitt.

Next up -- readjusting the cross-division rivalries:

FSU - Miami
Clemson - GT
NC State - North Carolina
Wake Forest - Duke
Syracuse - Virginia
BC - Virginia Tech
Pitt - Louisville (and the ACC continues to rub WV's nose in it.)

Now, VT is reunited with its Metro brother while keeping its rivalries with Virginia, Carolina and Duke.

Virginia doesn't "lose" Louisville, but it gains an annual game with Syracuse, while keeping its annual game with Carolina and VT.

Louisville gains an annual game with North Carolina which I bet they'd prefer to an annual game with NC State, AND in most years, they'd only see FSU and Clemson in the ACCCG.
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(12-07-2013 04:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 04:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(12-07-2013 04:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some things to remember:

1. Splitting Clemson and FSU is a priority
2. UNC/NCSU must play each year
3. UNC/UVa must play each year
4. UNC/Duke must play each year
5. NCSU/Clemson must play each year
6. FSU/Miami must play each year
7. VT must have one game a year in the State of NC
8. VT and UVa must play each year
9. FSU wants to avoid Duke and WF
10. The ACC wants Pitt/Syracuse to play each year
11. BC wants to play Syracuse every year
12. GT wants to play FSU or Clemson every year
13. Everyone not in Florida wants a game with a Florida team each year

IIRC these are the deal breakers.

To get close to this you get:

Miami - FSU
Clemson - GT
UNC - Louis
NCSU - Pitt
UVa - VT
Duke - Wake
BC - Syracuse

That works for me.

Once ND is satisfied with it's partner and a 13th regular season game is added, ND would likely plug into the West, but it would depend on the ND partner - there's a hell of difference between Navy and Texas. ND and Navy could plug in - adding Texas would cause another shuffle. Or maybe not.

I assume you mean in Basketball right?05-mafia
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(12-07-2013 04:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Some things to remember:

1. Splitting Clemson and FSU is a priority
2. UNC/NCSU must play each year
3. UNC/UVa must play each year
4. UNC/Duke must play each year
5. NCSU/Clemson must play each year
6. FSU/Miami must play each year
7. VT must have one game a year in the State of NC
8. VT and UVa must play each year
9. FSU wants to avoid Duke and WF
10. The ACC wants Pitt/Syracuse to play each year
11. BC wants to play Syracuse every year
12. GT wants to play FSU or Clemson every year
13. Everyone not in Florida wants a game with a Florida team each year

IIRC these are the deal breakers.

To get close to this you get:

Miami - FSU
Clemson - GT
UNC - Louis
NCSU - Pitt
UVa - VT
Duke - Wake
BC - Syracuse

Wasn't aware that splitting FSU/Clemson was a priority. Everything other item in the list -- yup, agree with.
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