Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
it's not forcing anything when you have the law on your side...
Marriage is defined by the government if you don't like it...move to a theocracy.
(12-21-2013 11:50 AM)Smaug Wrote: Take a look around. We straights have ****** up marriage nicely without the help.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
Since 2003:
All sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional...
Sec 3 of DOMA ruled unconstitutional...
Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional...
DADT repealed...
18 states legalize gay marriage...
The sitting US president supports gay marriage...
And that's just 10 years.
We get it, you are winning court battles, but you are not winning the people's court.
People like you fall into your little enclave and surround yourselves with like minded people. Anyone outside your enclave is a bigot. But people like you only hurt the cause, because you demand others adhere to your beliefs and lifestyles.
I have gay friends, and believe it or not, many of them are against gay marriage. Many of them see the only true benefit is a civil union. One of them went as far to call out the movement you are attached to and worries how people like you make others hate him just for being gay. I asked him how he could be against it. His response was actually pretty funny: "I am a gay man, not an angry flamer."
If you want true acceptance then you will have to come find common ground with those who are opposed to gay marriage - and the numbers are quite large. No one cares about your bs polls and your growing court triumphs...and finally, being against gay marriage is not necessarily being against gay people or the lifestyle.
Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
it's not forcing anything when you have the law on your side...
Marriage is defined by the government if you don't like it...move to a theocracy.
The ACA is also the law. How's that workin for ya?
(12-21-2013 01:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Hmm, I see some crafty poll questions and a well funded minority. I think you are underestimating the opposition and the fallout from forcing something upon a society that doesn't want it.
What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
it's not forcing anything when you have the law on your side...
Marriage is defined by the government if you don't like it...move to a theocracy.
The ACA is also the law. How's that workin for ya?
(12-21-2013 01:38 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: What's the fallout? More straight people get married in protest?
a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
it's not forcing anything when you have the law on your side...
Marriage is defined by the government if you don't like it...move to a theocracy.
The ACA is also the law. How's that workin for ya?
(12-21-2013 11:50 AM)Smaug Wrote: Take a look around. We straights have ****** up marriage nicely without the help.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
(12-21-2013 11:50 AM)Smaug Wrote: Take a look around. We straights have ****** up marriage nicely without the help.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
(12-21-2013 12:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
(12-21-2013 12:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
Since 2003:
All sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional...
Sec 3 of DOMA ruled unconstitutional...
Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional...
DADT repealed...
18 states legalize gay marriage...
The sitting US president supports gay marriage...
And that's just 10 years.
We get it, you are winning court battles, but you are not winning the people's court. I'm not concerned with what judge Wapner thinks on this issue.
People like you fall into your little enclave and surround yourselves with like minded people. Anyone outside your enclave is a bigot. But people like you only hurt the cause, because you demand others adhere to your beliefs and lifestyles. "people like you" um, you don't know me...you don't know my friends...you don't know how I live...you really don't know anything about me personally.
I have gay friends why do conservatives always feel the need to say this?, and believe it or not, many of them are against gay marriage. Many of them see the only true benefit is a civil union. One of them went as far to call out the movement you are attached to and worries how people like you make others hate him just for being gay. I asked him how he could be against it. His response was actually pretty funny: "I am a gay man, not an angry flamer." Where have I ever claimed what I say represents anything other than me? Gay folks come in all shapes, sizes, and beliefs...so yeah, not all gay or straight folks think the same...I shouldn't have to explain that.
If you want true acceptance uh, why do I need acceptance? then you will have to come find common ground with those who are opposed to gay marriage I'm not looking for common ground...I'm looking for them to be defeated under law (and it's working)- and the numbers are quite large. No one cares about your bs polls and your growing court triumphs...and finally, being against gay marriage is not necessarily being against gay people or the lifestyle. Where did I say differently
(12-21-2013 01:16 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
In times like these, acceptance from the enemy is just as useful as male nipples. If you wait for acceptance you'll never get anything done. Civil rights (even though I hate when they equate it to that), women's suffrage, interracial marriage, etc could not have waited for acceptance.
How sick it is for people to equate the gay rights movement to Civil Rights.
This is what I am talking about. You just marginalize it even more.
(12-21-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: a souring attitude towards the gay community as a whole. The militants are not helping their cause. They are getting laws passed, but they do not represent the true feelings of the populace.
It started out that they gay community wanted equal economic rights. All along we knew that was a smokescreen. All along it was about rewriting the definition of marriage.
You can cry about equality, rights and public opinion, but the very definition of marriage(for the last 3000 years) is a union between a man and a woman.
Forcing people to accept something will not work. You may get your marriage in some areas, but you will not get your equality.
it's not forcing anything when you have the law on your side...
Marriage is defined by the government if you don't like it...move to a theocracy.
The ACA is also the law. How's that workin for ya?
Fine, actually...
That's what I thought.
Stop making gays look bad.
When did i start speaking for all gay people? I'll let them speak for themselves.
I should charge a fee...
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2013 02:27 PM by UofMemphis.)
(12-21-2013 01:16 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Not in 18 states and 16 countries.
But still in the eyes of the majority in many of those 18 states and countries. Forcing something doesn't = acceptance.
Since 2003:
All sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional...
Sec 3 of DOMA ruled unconstitutional...
Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional...
DADT repealed...
18 states legalize gay marriage...
The sitting US president supports gay marriage...
And that's just 10 years.
We get it, you are winning court battles, but you are not winning the people's court. I'm not concerned with what judge Wapner thinks on this issue.
People like you fall into your little enclave and surround yourselves with like minded people. Anyone outside your enclave is a bigot. But people like you only hurt the cause, because you demand others adhere to your beliefs and lifestyles. "people like you" um, you don't know me...you don't know my friends...you don't know how I live...you really don't know anything about me personally.
I have gay friends why do conservatives always feel the need to say this?, and believe it or not, many of them are against gay marriage. Many of them see the only true benefit is a civil union. One of them went as far to call out the movement you are attached to and worries how people like you make others hate him just for being gay. I asked him how he could be against it. His response was actually pretty funny: "I am a gay man, not an angry flamer." Where have I ever claimed what I say represents anything other than me? Gay folks come in all shapes, sizes, and beliefs...so yeah, not all gay or straight folks think the same...I shouldn't have to explain that.
If you want true acceptance uh, why do I need acceptance? then you will have to come find common ground with those who are opposed to gay marriage I'm not looking for common ground...I'm looking for them to be defeated under law (and it's working)- and the numbers are quite large. No one cares about your bs polls and your growing court triumphs...and finally, being against gay marriage is not necessarily being against gay people or the lifestyle. Where did I say differently
You indeed want acceptance. Otherwise you wouldn't constantly be pushing your gay agenda on this forum. The militant liberal method just doesn't work. You are only making the entire gay community look intolerant and adversarial.
Here are your brethren attacking an old lady in California.
I'm sure in your twisted mind the old lady had it coming for carrying the "cross of hatred."
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2013 02:29 PM by oklalittledixie.)
