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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  There is nothing else more official than a University Degree.
Which is part of why its quite beside the point for this discussion. Lots of schools "go by" something that is not what shows up on their degrees.

And St. John's official seal says "st. john's":
[Image: st_johns_seal_100h.gif] ... with the dot in st. and the dot in the j as the same dot.
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12-18-2013 04:27 PM
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:14 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:01 PM)billyjack Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 02:51 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 02:49 PM)billyjack Wrote:  This is a huge, huge capitulation for the ACC to be conceding MSG. There's really no other way to spin this. Huge, huge concession. Wow.

With both tourney's in town at the same time, and Syracuse playing in Brooklyn, it could be an interesting dynamic to see which one is more popular.

Both will do great and both will sell out, but nothing beats MSG.

You're right, I'm sure both will do well, and both will sell out. The baseball analogy would be one is playing at Citi Field, and the other is playing at Yankee Stadium.

Their really is no need for an analogy in explaining the difference between MSG and Barclays. Everyone already knows that MSG carries considerable more cache. But the fact that the ACC has all those elite level basketball schools with huge fan bases tells me which league will have the largest attendance and be getting the most media attention and making the most money.

Well if they both sell out it wont matter who has higher attendance since they would both be at capacity which is all the building can seat.
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:27 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  There is nothing else more official than a University Degree.
Which is part of why its quite beside the point for this discussion. Lots of schools "go by" something that is not what shows up on their degrees.

And St. John's official seal says "st. john's":
[Image: st_johns_seal_100h.gif] ... with the dot in st. and the dot in the j as the same dot.

That's not the official seal. That's the university current logo, a pretty recent one if I'm not mistaken.

The seal of the university is
[Image: St._John%27s_University_%28New_York%29_seal.png]
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2013 04:35 PM by CrazyPaco.)
12-18-2013 04:32 PM
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:14 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:08 PM)billyjack Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:05 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  I don't understand your answer.

Does your diploma have "Saint John's University" on it, or does it have "St. John's University" on it?

Because the one above clearly has "Saint John's".

But the caption on the bottom of the diploma photo says "St. John's"... because everyone (or 99.9% of us) refers to the school that way... or, anyone surfing the Herft-Jones website would be confused without that lower caption that everyone is familiar with.

No, the bottom is a commercial frame, and your university only licenses "St. John's" as its registered word mark.

Can you answer the question, does the salutation of your diploma have "St. John's" on the actual parchment? Yes or no? If you aren't an SJU grad, that is ok.

I just want to know if the St. John's University is so ignorant, as you put it, to put the wrong school (your words) on what are perhaps the most important documents that they produce.

Find something else from the school spelled that way.

There is nothing else more official than a University Degree. People hang these on the walls in their offices, in their homes, and you have to provide a copy of your degree in many cases for high level employment. Anyone who views those degrees will see that it says Saint Johns."" So it doesn't matter if Jerseys or newpapers or other media uses the term "St Johns." So whether a person uses "St Johns," or "Saint Johns," they would be correct, I would assume.

I would also assume that a person who has an actual "Saint Johns" degree would know that his degree says "Saint Johns" on it and therefore would not be going around telling folks who use the term "Saint Johns" that they are wrong.

More official than every single thing the school puts out to the public? Like the school seal, logo, everything they sell and everything on it's website?

Are you implying I didn't graduate from St. John's University?
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:27 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  There is nothing else more official than a University Degree.
Which is part of why its quite beside the point for this discussion. Lots of schools "go by" something that is not what shows up on their degrees.

And St. John's official seal says "st. john's":
[Image: st_johns_seal_100h.gif] ... with the dot in st. and the dot in the j as the same dot.

So, in other words, a person would not be wrong for using the term Saint Johns or St Johns, correct?
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:14 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:08 PM)billyjack Wrote:  But the caption on the bottom of the diploma photo says "St. John's"... because everyone (or 99.9% of us) refers to the school that way... or, anyone surfing the Herft-Jones website would be confused without that lower caption that everyone is familiar with.

No, the bottom is a commercial frame, and your university only licenses "St. John's" as its registered word mark.

Can you answer the question, does the salutation of your diploma have "St. John's" on the actual parchment? Yes or no? If you aren't an SJU grad, that is ok.

I just want to know if the St. John's University is so ignorant, as you put it, to put the wrong school (your words) on what are perhaps the most important documents that they produce.

Find something else from the school spelled that way.

There is nothing else more official than a University Degree. People hang these on the walls in their offices, in their homes, and you have to provide a copy of your degree in many cases for high level employment. Anyone who views those degrees will see that it says Saint Johns."" So it doesn't matter if Jerseys or newpapers or other media uses the term "St Johns." So whether a person uses "St Johns," or "Saint Johns," they would be correct, I would assume.

I would also assume that a person who has an actual "Saint Johns" degree would know that his degree says "Saint Johns" on it and therefore would not be going around telling folks who use the term "Saint Johns" that they are wrong.

More official than every single thing the school puts out to the public? Like the school seal, logo, everything they sell and everything on it's website?

Are you implying I didn't graduate from St. John's University?

I don't know if you did or didn't, and don't care really, LOL.
But if you know that your degree says Saint Johns, why would you be so demanding that folks use the term St Johns instead of Saint Johns and telling them they are wrong for doing so?
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
Since this is a sports message board, and we're all sports fans, and since I've only ever seen the Redmen/ Red Storm school written as "St. John's" in every sports article, newspaper, boxscore, uniform, yearbook, everything for 40+, 50+ years... then we on this site should probably use "St. John's"... I mean, c'mon... maybe a non-sports fan can screw it up, but this is pretty basic...

"St. John's".
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RE: ACC selected by the Barclays Center over the B1G for Tournament
(12-18-2013 04:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 04:14 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 03:01 PM)billyjack Wrote:  
(12-18-2013 02:51 PM)mlb Wrote:  With both tourney's in town at the same time, and Syracuse playing in Brooklyn, it could be an interesting dynamic to see which one is more popular.

Both will do great and both will sell out, but nothing beats MSG.

You're right, I'm sure both will do well, and both will sell out. The baseball analogy would be one is playing at Citi Field, and the other is playing at Yankee Stadium.

Their really is no need for an analogy in explaining the difference between MSG and Barclays. Everyone already knows that MSG carries considerable more cache. But the fact that the ACC has all those elite level basketball schools with huge fan bases tells me which league will have the largest attendance and be getting the most media attention and making the most money.

Well if they both sell out it wont matter who has higher attendance since they would both be at capacity which is all the building can seat.

I don't think the BE will be selling out with butts in the seats. This March will certainly be very telling though.
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Hey, St. John's last week beat the "The Georgia Institute of Technology". I say we all refer to the Yellow Jackets as "The Georgia Institute of Technology" from now on... I mean, it's on their diplomas...!
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