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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
I'm not sure of the payout or how it will get settled, but I'm pretty confident it will be settled out of court.
I think the ACC doesn't mind having it stretch out for as long as possible. The longer it takes to get this settled the longer away from having to deal with other possible defections. I don't see anymore B1G Ten interest in the ACC but I could see the SEC having some.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
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Claim says "the ACC did not attempt to recruit for membership in the ACC any university west of the Mississippi."
Well, that at least makes sense that the ACC wasn't after Iowa or Nebraska.
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01-14-2014 11:27 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
And just when I was beginning to think that this unwanted conference move wouldn't end as ugly as possible...
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:27 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Alex Prewitt @alex_prewitt 4m
Claim says "the ACC did not attempt to recruit for membership in the ACC any university west of the Mississippi."
Well, that at least makes sense that the ACC wasn't after Iowa or Nebraska.
Why it is illegal to do such a thing? I don't think it is on the rule book.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:10 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote: I never expected it to happen, but this probably puts the nail in the coffin for the ACC homers who expected the 50M exit fee to be paid in full.
I put the chances of a mutual walk-away with Maryland never receiving the withheld funds from this season as the most likely outcome at this point.
That's the whole point of this counterclaim. Maryland doesn't seriously believe that it's going to receive $157 million, just as the ACC never seriously believed that it was going to receive the full $50 million exit fee (or at least they should have never believed that). This is about Maryland having leverage in saying that the ACC isn't just going to have a clear path to receive all of the exit fees, so they force the ACC back to the negotiating table.
As with every single other realignment-related lawsuit, no one involved (the schools, conferences, TV networks) want anything to do with these cases going to discovery where more info gets made public. Every school that has left a conference has publicly claimed that they owe nothing. Every conference that has had a school leave has publicly claimed that they owe everything. No one has a clear moral argument on either side - fans ultimately just pick the side that benefits their favorite school the most (see the multitude of schools that are on one side of litigation one year and then the subject of the same type of litigation the next year in just this round of realignment). At the end of the day, it's in the best interests of everyone to meet in the middle and move on.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:07 AM)SeaBlue Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Rutgers?
You're probably right. Messing with Ohio State is just too risky
I would guess the two were PSU and Northwestern.
The Wake Forest AD was previously the baseball coach at Northwestern. Northwestern is more like an ACC school than an B10 school. (Smaller, private)
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:29 AM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:27 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Alex Prewitt @alex_prewitt 4m
Claim says "the ACC did not attempt to recruit for membership in the ACC any university west of the Mississippi."
Well, that at least makes sense that the ACC wasn't after Iowa or Nebraska.
Why it is illegal to do such a thing? I don't think it is on the rule book.
Nobody is saying it's illegal. Where are you reading that?
As for Maryland's motivation for releasing that info about the ACC trying to get B1G schools, I have no idea. I cannot fathom why they would think that adding schools would be a reason for damages to be paid to Maryland - or even why Maryland should not pay an exit fee.
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01-14-2014 11:36 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:32 AM)94panther Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:07 AM)SeaBlue Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Rutgers?
You're probably right. Messing with Ohio State is just too risky
I would guess the two were PSU and Northwestern.
The Wake Forest AD was previously the baseball coach at Northwestern. Northwestern is more like an ACC school than an B10 school. (Smaller, private)
Yeah, I was thinking Penn State and Northwestern too. I can't believe they actually thought they'd be able to move either though. "Hey, give up that money and fly your teams to Florida and North Carolina."
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:10 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote: I never expected it to happen, but this probably puts the nail in the coffin for the ACC homers who expected the 50M exit fee to be paid in full.
I put the chances of a mutual walk-away with Maryland never receiving the withheld funds from this season as the most likely outcome at this point.
That's the whole point of this counterclaim. Maryland doesn't seriously believe that it's going to receive $157 million, just as the ACC never seriously believed that it was going to receive the full $50 million exit fee (or at least they should have never believed that). This is about Maryland having leverage in saying that the ACC isn't just going to have a clear path to receive all of the exit fees, so they force the ACC back to the negotiating table.
As with every single other realignment-related lawsuit, no one involved (the schools, conferences, TV networks) want anything to do with these cases going to discovery where more info gets made public. Every school that has left a conference has publicly claimed that they owe nothing. Every conference that has had a school leave has publicly claimed that they owe everything. No one has a clear moral argument on either side - fans ultimately just pick the side that benefits their favorite school the most (see the multitude of schools that are on one side of litigation one year and then the subject of the same type of litigation the next year in just this round of realignment). At the end of the day, it's in the best interests of everyone to meet in the middle and move on.
This. You can be damn sure that none of those university presidents want to give a deposition (likewise, none of their universities want to see their president deposed either). They might be talking a good game now, but as the dates are scheduled and that moment arises I would imagine both sides will get a little more eager to try and resolve this case.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:36 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:29 AM)AGuyIn_Water Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:27 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Alex Prewitt @alex_prewitt 4m
Claim says "the ACC did not attempt to recruit for membership in the ACC any university west of the Mississippi."
Well, that at least makes sense that the ACC wasn't after Iowa or Nebraska.
Why it is illegal to do such a thing? I don't think it is on the rule book.
Nobody is saying it's illegal. Where are you reading that?
As for Maryland's motivation for releasing that info about the ACC trying to get B1G schools, I have no idea. I cannot fathom why they would think that adding schools would be a reason for damages to be paid to Maryland - or even why Maryland should not pay an exit fee.
I mis-comprehended it. sorry...
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01-14-2014 11:40 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
And, it damaged the state of Md how?
More taxpayer money wasted.
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01-14-2014 11:40 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...21637642=1
Full article. This is interesting, but doesn't explain rationale:
Quote:The Maryland Attorney General's Office also alleges that after Maryland announced its planned move, representatives of Wake Forest and the University of Pittsburgh "each contacted a Big Ten university in an attempt by the ACC to recruit at least two Big Ten schools to leave the Big Ten and join the ACC."
These actions, according to Maryland, are among a series of moves by the ACC that constitute "illegal, retaliatory, and anti-competitive conduct (that) threatens irreparable harm to Maryland and Maryland's student-athletes, student and alumni fan base, faculty, athletic competitiveness and reputation."
MD is also seeking punitive damages on top of the $157M. And despite the counter-claim being filed in NC, MD also claims that NC courts have no jurisdiction in the original case.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:41 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col...21637642=1
Full article. This is interesting, but doesn't explain rationale:
Quote:The Maryland Attorney General's Office also alleges that after Maryland announced its planned move, representatives of Wake Forest and the University of Pittsburgh "each contacted a Big Ten university in an attempt by the ACC to recruit at least two Big Ten schools to leave the Big Ten and join the ACC."
These actions, according to Maryland, are among a series of moves by the ACC that constitute "illegal, retaliatory, and anti-competitive conduct (that) threatens irreparable harm to Maryland and Maryland's student-athletes, student and alumni fan base, faculty, athletic competitiveness and reputation."
MD is also seeking punitive damages on top of the $157M. And despite the counter-claim being filed in NC, MD also claims that NC courts have no jurisdiction in the original case.
Could they be trying to set this up for a move to a Federal court?
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
This lawsuit appears to confirm what LP4 has been saying all along, viz., that the ACC was in discussions with Penn State and that Loh was a B1G mole, outing the ACC's overtures to Penn State. Quite frankly I can't blame the ACC from banning Maryland from internal ACC business matters.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:07 AM)SeaBlue Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote: Rutgers?
You're probably right. Messing with Ohio State is just too risky
Yes, anything there would be all over the West Virginia boards.
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01-14-2014 11:46 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
(01-14-2014 11:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: (01-14-2014 11:10 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote: I never expected it to happen, but this probably puts the nail in the coffin for the ACC homers who expected the 50M exit fee to be paid in full.
I put the chances of a mutual walk-away with Maryland never receiving the withheld funds from this season as the most likely outcome at this point.
That's the whole point of this counterclaim. Maryland doesn't seriously believe that it's going to receive $157 million, just as the ACC never seriously believed that it was going to receive the full $50 million exit fee (or at least they should have never believed that). This is about Maryland having leverage in saying that the ACC isn't just going to have a clear path to receive all of the exit fees, so they force the ACC back to the negotiating table.
As with every single other realignment-related lawsuit, no one involved (the schools, conferences, TV networks) want anything to do with these cases going to discovery where more info gets made public. Every school that has left a conference has publicly claimed that they owe nothing. Every conference that has had a school leave has publicly claimed that they owe everything. No one has a clear moral argument on either side - fans ultimately just pick the side that benefits their favorite school the most (see the multitude of schools that are on one side of litigation one year and then the subject of the same type of litigation the next year in just this round of realignment). At the end of the day, it's in the best interests of everyone to meet in the middle and move on.
This. You can be damn sure that none of those university presidents want to give a deposition (likewise, none of their universities want to see their president deposed either). They might be talking a good game now, but as the dates are scheduled and that moment arises I would imagine both sides will get a little more eager to try and resolve this case.
It also sends the message to the ACC "Either stop with the hard line tactics and let's work something out or we start telling people where other bodies are buried."
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
ESPN to ACC: "Make it go away."
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01-14-2014 11:51 AM |
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
From an ACC viewpoint, Maryland revealing the ACC tried and failed to raid another league is damaging in of itself. No one cares if they poked around to see if someone was interested but getting rebuffed and raided in return is a blow.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
As I read this, they didn't do anything but re-file their Maryland case in North Carolina. It says they still don't recognize North Carolina authority over the case. But I guess they don't want their claim frozen while the case against them moves forward. Discovery will also be more limited in the ACC's case. This opens the doors.
So its still the claims about illegally withholding money before they officially withdrew, restricting them from decision making, not following rules on increasing the exit fee plus this new stuff about interfering with the Big 10 after Maryland decided to leave the ACC.
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RE: Maryland files a $157M counter claim vs ACC, claims ACC tried to pry B1G schools
This gets more and more fun!
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