Did Richmond outplay and outshoot the UTEP defenders tonight?? -YES

Did Washburn shut him down tonight? -NO

Is Washburn a good defender? -NO, he is a great defender.

Are we glad to have Wasburn on our team?- HELL YES!

p.s. Richmond is an exciting player to watch, I will definitely pay to watch ECU games when they play in El Paso in the CUSA tourney. Richmond did get the best out of the guys guarding him tonight. It would be fun to see a rematch in El Paso.

As far as trashing Washburn so much, I don't see the point. He's been a crucial part to our success right now. With him at the 2 guard spot, and Vince Hunter at the 3, we have NBA sized wingmen on the court now, almost at all times. And our length has bothered teams so far. And yes it is a team effort. There aren't any Miner fans that think Washburn is carrying the whole team, we wouldnt want it that way either. All of our guys right now are playing important roles. Good luck rest of the season!

Bohannon had a very good night. He has become a stat stuffer this season with his rebounding and assist. UTEP doesn't win tonight or most games without both Bohannon and Washburn. Richmond did get a good look off of the pump fake and nailed a 3 and I am willing to give him credit for the 3 in transition, as well as the runner in the lane. The 3 from the top of the key was a switch and Cooper did not get out on Richmond. If you want to lay that one on Washburn I guess you can but it is a little suspect because UTEP was switch on screens if Cooper's man set the screen. You like to credit Bohannon but he has said many times that Washburn is the best defender in the country and sets the tone for UTEP's defense. The 11 points Richmond had against Washburn came in a total of 37 minutes of game time because even you cannot deny that Richmond's first 9 points came when Cooper was on him. Not a very good player efficiency rating if he can only score 11 points in 37 minutes.

(02-07-2014 01:34 AM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:29 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn took your boy to school, enough said

20 points on 72% EFG if that's taking to school sign me up for that class every game.

8 points on 40% EFG.

11 points actually and even if you want to ignore the 1st three 2-6 from 3 is still like 50% from 2 and he had his best looks of the night vs Washburn, he just didn't make them. Even you admitted that.

(02-07-2014 01:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:34 AM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:29 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn took your boy to school, enough said

20 points on 72% EFG if that's taking to school sign me up for that class every game.

8 points on 40% EFG.

11 points actually and even if you want to ignore the 1st three 2-6 from 3 is still like 50% from 2 and he had his best looks of the night vs Washburn, he just didn't make them. Even you admitted that.

I will say it again that Richmond must not be that good if he can't make his "best looks" or "easy shots".

Those looks were good but he had to rush because Washburn is a much longer/bigger player than who usually guards Richmond.

y'all are crackin' me up....who won the game?

(02-07-2014 01:44 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  y'all are crackin' me up....who won the game?

Richmond?

(02-07-2014 01:44 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:44 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  y'all are crackin' me up....who won the game?

Richmond?

apparently....gotta love a rant on tilt

(02-07-2014 01:43 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:34 AM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:29 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn took your boy to school, enough said

20 points on 72% EFG if that's taking to school sign me up for that class every game.

8 points on 40% EFG.

11 points actually and even if you want to ignore the 1st three 2-6 from 3 is still like 50% from 2 and he had his best looks of the night vs Washburn, he just didn't make them. Even you admitted that.

I will say it again that Richmond must not be that good if he can't make his "best looks" or "easy shots".

Those looks were good but he had to rush because Washburn is a much longer/bigger player than who usually guards Richmond.

Neat story, the guy leads CUSA in scoring and is scoreing more efficiently than Jordan, Curry, or Durant did in college their last years and just had a 20 points on 72% effective FG vs UTEP. USM is the only team that I've seen defend him really well this year. They made him shoot 30 footers even if he still hit a good percentage of them. He got plenty of good looks on Washburn, more than many games even if he missed some. The guy is completely over hyped on defense.

(02-07-2014 01:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:43 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:34 AM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 01:32 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  20 points on 72% EFG if that's taking to school sign me up for that class every game.

8 points on 40% EFG.

11 points actually and even if you want to ignore the 1st three 2-6 from 3 is still like 50% from 2 and he had his best looks of the night vs Washburn, he just didn't make them. Even you admitted that.

I will say it again that Richmond must not be that good if he can't make his "best looks" or "easy shots".

Those looks were good but he had to rush because Washburn is a much longer/bigger player than who usually guards Richmond.

Neat story, the guy leads CUSA in scoring and is scoreing more efficiently than Jordan, Curry, or Durant did in college their last years and just had a 20 points on 72% effective FG vs UTEP. USM is the only team that I've seen defend him really well this year. They made him shoot 30 footers even if he still hit a good percentage of them. He got plenty of good looks on Washburn, more than many games even if he missed some. The guy is completely over hyped on defense.

And you have convinced me that Richmond sucks because he can hit open easy shots.

BTW someone told me Stith might transfer to ODU to be with his dad. I find that believable and I can't blame the guy the way Lebo is using him. If you have one of the best rebounding percentages in the entire country and can't get more than 18 minutes and over a 6-3 PF even when you are playing 7 footers and the team is being out rebounded by 25 rebounds and kill in the post I'd leave too. Seriously if he's not going to get a chance to play more than 18 minutes tonight WTF.

Washburn held Richmond to 6 points, and who knows how many of those points came with Richmond's eyes open.

(02-07-2014 01:56 AM)stanman505 Wrote:  And you have convinced me that Richmond sucks because he can hit open easy shots.

He's hit like 57+ % this year and leads CUSA in scoring. Cool story though. He just went for the equivalent of 72% vs UTEP. We got issues, it's not Akeem though.

(02-07-2014 02:00 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn held Richmond to 6 points, and who knows how many of those points came with Richmond's eyes open.

Stick with those lies bro. It was 11 and I rewatched them all. Even your UTEP friend gives him credit for more. You should huddle with him.

I'm more concerned about the Stith rumor right now. I've been saying for weeks that Lebo was screwing him and if he leaves I really can't blame the guy. His PT with a 6-3 guy playing 40 minutes at PF and trying to guard 7 footers is beyond defendable.

Here is some information on the Washburn-Richmond match up. Richmond was being guarded by CJ Cooper to start the game. Richmond made three 3s, 18:15 mark, 17:27, and 16:36. That is when UTEP put Julian Washburn on him. Richmond only took THREE more shots the rest of the first half and missed all of them. Washburn owned Richmond in the first half. In the second half Richmond scored 11 points. That would mean that Richmond scored 11 points from the 16:36 point in the first half for a total of 36 minutes and 36 seconds. I think it is pretty good defense to hold a guy that can shoot as good as Richmond to 11 points in 36+ minutes. Most on here would agree that Richmond was shut down once Washburn started guarding him. Everyone but SJ that is.

(02-07-2014 02:00 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn held Richmond to 6 points, and who knows how many of those points came with Richmond's eyes open.

he's crazy legs shooting b/c he has to......but on any given night....3 of his treys that he made reminded me of someone treading water.....but he canned 'em like a spider monkey

he buried a couple against us where I just had one of those 'wow' moments....the guy can definitely shoot

20 points on 72% eFG % with the best looks vs Washburn but whatever dude, I really don't even care at this point.

Stith. Does any ECU fan actually want to address this. Someone on this board dropped this nugget to me and If he leaves my Lebo bandwagon is getting smaller. I wouldn't be shocked if he went to be with his dad there and I can't blame the guy the way Lebo has used him. It's nothing new with the way he squandered Kemp or Richmond the last two years.

If you have one of the best rebounding percentages in the entire country and can't get more than 18 minutes with a 6-3 PF playing 40 minutes like tonight even when he's guarding 7 footers and the team is being out rebounded by 25 rebounds and killed in the post I'd leave too.

Seriously when we add size next year where do people think he's going to play. He's already a major talent we are squandering and losing him would be a huge blow. Lebo whines on post game about rebounding yet we have one of the best rebounders in the nation that he plays 18 minutes tonight. It doesnt' add up just like Richmond or Kemp on the bench last years. This team shouldn't be 1-7 in this conference. I don't care how much we lost.

(02-07-2014 02:04 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-07-2014 02:00 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Washburn held Richmond to 6 points, and who knows how many of those points came with Richmond's eyes open.

Stick with those lies bro. It was 11 and I rewatched them all. Even your UTEP friend gives him credit for more. You should huddle with him.

"Julian Washburn is the best defender that I have coached in 38 years, college or pro, in this game" -Tim Floyd (after last night's victory of ECU)

Clearly, Floyd doesn't know basketball, is out of touch with reality, and doesn't have SJ's very convincing and flawless stats to back him up.

Not sure why all the bashing of Richmond in this thread. Kids a player, and if Tim Floyd were asked, I am sure he would love to have him as a weapon in his lineup as well.

As far as Stith transferring, would not surprise me, and would not really blame him. First and foremost playing for his father would be a pretty big deal. He was his HS coach so there would be a far greater level of comfort there Im sure, and there is no indication of what next yr holds when at least 3 more frontcourt players are introduced into the mix.

Problem with this team is the consistency, and the tendency for players to occasionally "disappear'. IMO opinion last night was Zangari, and White's turn. The last stretch of the game Robinson, PRC, Richmond, Williams were in.
Thats a point where I would have expected White in place of Robinson.

I have said it before, and its not intent to slam on Richmond, but he is not the guy you center a team around , but more of a complimentary 2nd or 3rd weapon.

(02-07-2014 07:39 AM)gs_pirate Wrote:  Not sure why all the bashing of Richmond in this thread. Kids a player, and if Tim Floyd were asked, I am sure he would love to have him as a weapon in his lineup as well.

As far as Stith transferring, would not surprise me, and would not really blame him. First and foremost playing for his father would be a pretty big deal. He was his HS coach so there would be a far greater level of comfort there Im sure, and there is no indication of what next yr holds when at least 3 more frontcourt players are introduced into the mix.

Problem with this team is the consistency, and the tendency for players to occasionally "disappear'. IMO opinion last night was Zangari, and White's turn. The last stretch of the game Robinson, PRC, Richmond, Williams were in.
Thats a point where I would have expected White in place of Robinson.

I have said it before, and its not intent to slam on Richmond, but he is not the guy you center a team around , but more of a complimentary 2nd or 3rd weapon.

Probably because of the Washburn bashing...