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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.

They'll want and probably get two more prior to their contract being up in 2 years. I really do think that Kansas will be one of them. The question is who will be the other? A breakaway would solve a lot of timing issues and probably lead directly to a brokered settlement of realignment. Outside of that I think we will all be waiting because everybody wants the same slices of the Big 12 turkey and nobody wants the giblets.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.

They'll want and probably get two more prior to their contract being up in 2 years. I really do think that Kansas will be one of them. The question is who will be the other? A breakaway would solve a lot of timing issues and probably lead directly to a brokered settlement of realignment. Outside of that I think we will all be waiting because everybody wants the same slices of the Big 12 turkey and nobody wants the giblets.

I cant tell you who the other will be but I can tell you who it definitely won't be. Iowa State.

I can also tell you who it very likely won't be. UConn. Nothing against them but if the one is Kansas then the other HAS to have some football pedigree. The Big Ten isn't in a hurry yet.

What I do know is that for the most part, when these conference begin their little public dance..it is most often a bit of subterfuge. They really don't have any major interest in simply informing the public of their desires. If they are saying something publicly, it is generally to have another affect. The ACC talks about divisions isn't as simple as most folks think. It wasn't a big deal when it was just the Big 12 talking it but now that the ACC has chimed in, certain Networks will have to sit up a little bit straighter and take notice. They need to decide soon whether that is something they want to allow or whether they will Ante up and push a different agenda with their money.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 08:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.

They'll want and probably get two more prior to their contract being up in 2 years. I really do think that Kansas will be one of them. The question is who will be the other? A breakaway would solve a lot of timing issues and probably lead directly to a brokered settlement of realignment. Outside of that I think we will all be waiting because everybody wants the same slices of the Big 12 turkey and nobody wants the giblets.

I cant tell you who the other will be but I can tell you who it definitely won't be. Iowa State.

I can also tell you who it very likely won't be. UConn. Nothing against them but if the one is Kansas then the other HAS to have some football pedigree. The Big Ten isn't in a hurry yet.

What I do know is that for the most part, when these conference begin their little public dance..it is most often a bit of subterfuge. They really don't have any major interest in simply informing the public of their desires. If they are saying something publicly, it is generally to have another affect. The ACC talks about divisions isn't as simple as most folks think. It wasn't a big deal when it was just the Big 12 talking it but now that the ACC has chimed in, certain Networks will have to sit up a little bit straighter and take notice. They need to decide soon whether that is something they want to allow or whether they will Ante up and push a different agenda with their money.


Uh-huh, just like it was VERY LIKELY that UCONN was getting the invite that Louisville ultimitely got. Just admit your hatred of UCONN is the reason you say they very likely WON'T get a Big 10 invite. Simple as that.
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Re: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
I wish Cincy was AAU and didn't have to deal with OSU being greedy, same with Pitt market being "covered" by Penn State. Cincy and Pitt are my dream adds. UConn would be nice if Buffalo or UMass got good and built a huge following to add with them. I say the Big Ten pursues Virginia and UNC the most, so many school Presidents and the commish of the Big Ten come from those schools.

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(02-11-2014 04:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 04:36 PM)C Marlow Wrote:  Yes, some people speculate... But what this speculation fails to acknowledge, which btw is typical of people who try to gin up traffic to their sites, is the GOR. The GOR dwarfs the exit fee currently in place. Technically, it is no longer needed because there is a GOR in place.

Agreed. And it could be declared invalid if this goes to court. If it doesn't go to court, other schools could leave saying a precedent has been set lowering the penalty for breaking the GOR. Due to the knowledge that Maryland has, and the subpoenas filed on behalf of Maryland to UL, UM, Syracuse, BC, etc., I'm going to guess that is some damning evidence regarding the Big East breakup, Pitt's role, ESPN's role, etc... Maryland will get out cheap, it will set the precedent, and if other schools so choose to leave then they will do so at a steeply discounted rate.

Alright, I am sure this has been posted around here before, but a brief primer on GOR:

(1) A grant of rights (common in the media industry for decades and the validity of which is well established) is an irrevocable transfer of property rights. It is NOT a contract and therefore the unenforceable penalty line of common law does not apply. Pretty sure whoever the high powered lawyer was that originally thought up the GOR did it precisely to get around judges who do not like contract provisions acting as penalties (which have long been considered restraints on trade).

(2) A GOR cannot be 'broken' and there are no penalties associated with it. The schools' media rights were transferred to the conference the moment the GOR was executed - it is a done deal.

(3) The only way to invalidate the transfer of property would be to prove fraud or other wrongdoing. It is extremely unlikely that was present on either part of the conference or its 14 member schools. Furthermore, these are 15 highly sophisticated business entities all represented by very expensive counsel - no one was getting duped in this deal.

(4) Maryland's success or failure with its lawsuit will have absolutely no impact whatsoever on the validity of the ACC's or any other conference's GOR. Even if Maryland wins on all counts (blows the ACC's $52m exit fee out of the water and wins millions in counterclaims), the ACC GOR of rights will remain unchanged. The only hurdle removed for any other schools thinking about leaving is the exit fee - they would still be leaving all of their media rights behind with the ACC.

Sorry for the long post, but I think there are a lot of misconceptions concerning GOR because they are relatively new to the realignment game (even though some conferences have had them for years, I suspect they were not talked about much). These have been in place a very long time in other industries and they are virtually impossible to undo. Unless a school does not care about leaving behind its media rights, the ACC, B12, B10 and PAC do not have to worry about being poached until their GOR expire (or maybe a year or so before depending on how much money a school might be willing to leave behind).
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 09:52 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I wish Cincy was AAU and didn't have to deal with OSU being greedy, same with Pitt market being "covered" by Penn State. Cincy and Pitt are my dream adds. UConn would be nice if Buffalo or UMass got good and built a huge following to add with them. I say the Big Ten pursues Virginia and UNC the most, so many school Presidents and the commish of the Big Ten come from those schools.

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Dex the ACC is NC ACC, don't see that. I say Big looks for VaTech, UVA, GTech first. Atlanta is a big market. For travel and oly sports Cincy and Ville would have been great adds.
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 09:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 08:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.

They'll want and probably get two more prior to their contract being up in 2 years. I really do think that Kansas will be one of them. The question is who will be the other? A breakaway would solve a lot of timing issues and probably lead directly to a brokered settlement of realignment. Outside of that I think we will all be waiting because everybody wants the same slices of the Big 12 turkey and nobody wants the giblets.

I cant tell you who the other will be but I can tell you who it definitely won't be. Iowa State.

I can also tell you who it very likely won't be. UConn. Nothing against them but if the one is Kansas then the other HAS to have some football pedigree. The Big Ten isn't in a hurry yet.

What I do know is that for the most part, when these conference begin their little public dance..it is most often a bit of subterfuge. They really don't have any major interest in simply informing the public of their desires. If they are saying something publicly, it is generally to have another affect. The ACC talks about divisions isn't as simple as most folks think. It wasn't a big deal when it was just the Big 12 talking it but now that the ACC has chimed in, certain Networks will have to sit up a little bit straighter and take notice. They need to decide soon whether that is something they want to allow or whether they will Ante up and push a different agenda with their money.


Uh-huh, just like it was VERY LIKELY that UCONN was getting the invite that Louisville ultimitely got. Just admit your hatred of UCONN is the reason you say they very likely WON'T get a Big 10 invite. Simple as that.

Why would I hate UConn?
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RE: Tom DIenhart: UConn not on Big Ten radar, locked out of a major conference
(02-11-2014 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 07:52 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I think its unlikely the B1G wouldn't entertain 16 in a couple years when their TV deal is up- its why their logo is B1G - the 1G looks like a 16 - silly but utterly true (the B12 owns the Big 16 name).

So if not UConn, then who? I understand why they'd target UNC, VA and Georgia Tech - fantastic academic programs with football/multi-sport history in new markets. But I'm fairly convinced UNC is sticking with the ACC, and thus so will these other schools - Notre Dame sealed that for me.

Yes, 16 is the target point. There was talk of perhaps having to go past it but in the end that didn't happen. As for now, it is very unlikely the Big Ten ever goes past 16 and it is just as unlikely that they stay at 14 for very long.

They'll want and probably get two more prior to their contract being up in 2 years. I really do think that Kansas will be one of them. The question is who will be the other? A breakaway would solve a lot of timing issues and probably lead directly to a brokered settlement of realignment. Outside of that I think we will all be waiting because everybody wants the same slices of the Big 12 turkey and nobody wants the giblets.

04-bow I agree. Big Ten adds two more schools in the next two years because of the contract renewal. Who? Kansas and Virginia Tech...one good BB and one good football program.
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