(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  FSU and Clemson stayed put for now but I think they will have a desire to receive SEC invite even before GOR is officially over. I really think football playoffs will effect everything bigger than anticipated! I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have? OK, in the Cuse sphere they believe they have a lot of power and think they should run the East coast. In reality, both those schools' main objective is keeping the ACC together (that means no additional defections).

FSU and Clemson have a little more power, thanks to Tobacco Road's fear of losing them and FSU's football prowess. They used their new influence to elevate Louisville over UConn, which was a favorite of TR.

If I have to guess the factions in today's ACC, they would be the following: 1) FSU, CU, NCSU; 2) GT, UNC, DU, UVA, WF, VT, UM; 3) SU, UofP, BC; 4) ND - Domers live in a world of their own; 5) UL - could fall in either category, depending on where they feel comfortable at the moment

2) seems solid right now, so no risk of breakup. 1) still has issues but neither has better options outside. 3) is dependent on 1) and 2) not going anywhere, as are 4) and 5), although I have to assume that 4) will continue to have options just in case because somebody will continue to give to give them options so as to avoid the adverse (from their standpoint).

So, you see, Cuse/Pitt don't have many good options outside the ACC.

(06-08-2014 05:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  FSU and Clemson stayed put for now but I think they will have a desire to receive SEC invite even before GOR is officially over. I really think football playoffs will effect everything bigger than anticipated! I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have? OK, in the Cuse sphere they believe they have a lot of power and think they should run the East coast. In reality, both those schools' main objective is keeping the ACC together (that means no additional defections).

FSU and Clemson have a little more power, thanks to Tobacco Road's fear of losing them and FSU's football prowess. They used their new influence to elevate Louisville over UConn, which was a favorite of TR.

If I have to guess the factions in today's ACC, they would be the following: 1) FSU, CU, NCSU; 2) GT, UNC, DU, UVA, WF, VT, UM; 3) SU, UofP, BC; 4) ND - Domers live in a world of their own; 5) UL - could fall in either category, depending on where they feel comfortable at the moment

2) seems solid right now, so no risk of breakup. 1) still has issues but neither has better options outside. 3) is dependent on 1) and 2) not going anywhere, as are 4) and 5), although I have to assume that 4) will continue to have options just in case because somebody will continue to give to give them options so as to avoid the adverse (from their standpoint).

So, you see, Cuse/Pitt don't have many good options outside the ACC.

In the very near term I agree and don't anticipate much to change, but a few years closer to GOR's expiring I could see the desire for major shifts. The CFP is an unknown at the moment but I expect it to cause some upheavals due to the enormous exposure and money involved; creating impacts after evolving much like Big Ten Network has. It took a few years but look at the seismic shifts in college sports since then.




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Once the GOR are upheld, there will be an assault on the American in an effort to capitalize on the upcomming Media Contracts. They all know that the future may be Sunshine and Lollypops but it just as well could be Doom and Gloom.

The Big Boys want their money sooner as apposed to later. Don't count on them waiting for the GOR to end. Further don't expect them to risk taking a team already locked down by a GOR. Theres simply no value for their contract negociations.

(06-08-2014 09:11 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Once the GOR are upheld, there will be an assault on the American in an effort to capitalize on the upcomming Media Contracts. They all know that the future may be Sunshine and Lollypops but it just as well could be Doom and Gloom.

The Big Boys want their money sooner as opposed to later.

The question is whether there's any net additional money per school there.

In other words, this is based on a theory that there's money to be had, but there's more money to be had from some ACC schools, so the Big Ten is waiting to find out if the ACC options are closed off for a decade or more.

That's one theory, but the simple arithmetic is that there has to be more money added per new school from raiding the American than the Big Ten stands to get per existing school with a new contract under with its current alignment.

And there's not, so any available adds from the America alone are a cut in money to the current Big Ten schools (per school).

The pair of Rutgers and Maryland pays its way, but remember that Rutgers was available for a while ... and surely no other Old Big East school would have turned down the Big Ten either ... and it was the opening to take Maryland and the appeal of the two as a pair that drove the move.

So the simple explanation why the Big Ten has not yet added any more schools from the American is that there aren't any moves of interest at the present point in time. And not the theory about wanting some moves, but waiting to see if better moves are available.

(06-08-2014 07:57 AM)Strut Wrote:  In the very near term I agree and don't anticipate much to change, but a few years closer to GOR's expiring I could see the desire for major shifts. The CFP is an unknown at the moment but I expect it to cause some upheavals due to the enormous exposure and money involved; creating impacts after evolving much like Big Ten Network has. It took a few years but look at the seismic shifts in college sports since then.

This seems likely. We don't know what shape media revenue will take ten years from now ~ indeed, the long GOR can be seen as a way to react to that uncertainty, with the large flows of money meaning that the risks of change seem greater to both sides of the deal than the current state of affairs.

It seems almost certain that there will be a massive change in how we consume media by 2025, but anybody who is peddling a story that specifies exactly how that is going to play out is trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. Nobody knows. Nobody can know, because too many of the critical decisions that will determine how things play out actually haven't been made yet.

Given that anybody's projection is a guess, the schools are not going to be comfortable with risking $10m's on guesswork. So there is going to be a lot of "wait and see how it works" over the coming five years.

(06-08-2014 05:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  ... I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have?

And also, the ACC is playing some of its BBall tournaments in Brooklyn. Both Syracuse and Pitt have got to be loving that decision.

(06-08-2014 10:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 09:11 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Once the GOR are upheld, there will be an assault on the American in an effort to capitalize on the upcomming Media Contracts. They all know that the future may be Sunshine and Lollypops but it just as well could be Doom and Gloom.

The Big Boys want their money sooner as opposed to later.

The question is whether there's any net additional money per school there.

In other words, this is based on a theory that there's money to be had, but there's more money to be had from some ACC schools, so the Big Ten is waiting to find out if the ACC options are closed off for a decade or more.

That's one theory, but the simple arithmetic is that there has to be more money added per new school from raiding the American than the Big Ten stands to get per existing school with a new contract under with its current alignment.

And there's not, so any available adds from the America alone are a cut in money to the current Big Ten schools (per school).

The pair of Rutgers and Maryland pays its way, but remember that Rutgers was available for a while ... and surely no other Old Big East school would have turned down the Big Ten either ... and it was the opening to take Maryland and the appeal of the two as a pair that drove the move.

So the simple explanation why the Big Ten has not yet added any more schools from the American is that there aren't any moves of interest at the present point in time. And not the theory about wanting some moves, but waiting to see if better moves are available.

(06-08-2014 07:57 AM)Strut Wrote:  In the very near term I agree and don't anticipate much to change, but a few years closer to GOR's expiring I could see the desire for major shifts. The CFP is an unknown at the moment but I expect it to cause some upheavals due to the enormous exposure and money involved; creating impacts after evolving much like Big Ten Network has. It took a few years but look at the seismic shifts in college sports since then.

This seems likely. We don't know what shape media revenue will take ten years from now ~ indeed, the long GOR can be seen as a way to react to that uncertainty, with the large flows of money meaning that the risks of change seem greater to both sides of the deal than the current state of affairs.

It seems almost certain that there will be a massive change in how we consume media by 2025, but anybody who is peddling a story that specifies exactly how that is going to play out is trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. Nobody knows. Nobody can know, because too many of the critical decisions that will determine how things play out actually haven't been made yet.

Given that anybody's projection is a guess, the schools are not going to be comfortable with risking $10m's on guesswork. So there is going to be a lot of "wait and see how it works" over the coming five years.

(06-08-2014 05:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  ... I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have?

And also, the ACC is playing some of its BBall tournaments in Brooklyn. Both Syracuse and Pitt have got to be loving that decision.

I'm sorry but UConn brings more to the table from a Porgram and Brand then either Syracuse or Pitt at this time. UConn is obviously the horse of choise in NYC by anyone who witnessed the recent NCAA Tourney. As far as markets go, Philadelphia is larger then Syracuse and Pitt's markets combined.

See if you can follow along here. It's not just the market but what you can gain from it. Philadelphia like NYC is a Pro Sports town. however, both will turn out to see their almamaters play and there are a lot of B1G Alumi in both NYC and Philadelphia. MD and Rutgers may help bring NYC but neither bring in Philadelphia and please don't mention Penn State, they just don't register there. Temple doesn't either but they are there and will be hosting B1G Shools while they play there and raise interest.

Now with the B1g having MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple, (Yes i said Temple). They can saturate the Washington D.C./Baltimore/Philadelphia/NYC/Hartford Markets In essence they are gaining almost all of "Gotham City". This is approximately 40 to 50 Million people not including areas within easy driving distance. Thats a lot of people whom will be getting the B1G Network for not just MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple but for their apponents as well. The B1g Network is there already but you can see the ground work being laid for a nice bump in charges.

By the Way Boston is a Pro Sports town as well. Bet you there are some inroads there without having to take Boston College.

It's not just infiltrating a market, It's conquering that market.

JMHO

(06-08-2014 11:17 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  I'm sorry but UConn brings more to the table from a Porgram and Brand then either Syracuse or Pitt at this time. UConn is obviously the horse of choise in NYC by anyone who witnessed the recent NCAA Tourney. As far as markets go, Philadelphia is larger then Syracuse and Pitt's markets combined.

But UConn isn't competing against Cuse/Pitt for a possible spot, but the perception (or speculation, if you will) that they wouldn't be an accretion to the current membership. I don't know the answer to that but it's something that has to be factored in.

Quote:See if you can follow along here. It's not just the market but what you can gain from it. Philadelphia like NYC is a Pro Sports town. however, both will turn out to see their almamaters play and there are a lot of B1G Alumi in both NYC and Philadelphia. MD and Rutgers may help bring NYC but neither bring in Philadelphia and please don't mention Penn State, they just don't register there. Temple doesn't either but they are there and will be hosting B1G Shools while they play there and raise interest.

But the B1G already has the presence they wanted in Pennsylvania through PSU. The few that they won't have in Pittsburgh or Philly either: a) are casual or non-sports fans; b) already support other area teams

RU and UMD has as much (actually more) to do with being in two new states. Also, access to East coast high school students and continual contact with B1G alumni spread in those two states.

Quote:Now with the B1g having MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple, (Yes i said Temple). They can saturate the Washington D.C./Baltimore/Philadelphia/NYC/Hartford Markets In essence they are gaining almost all of "Gotham City". This is approximately 40 to 50 Million people not including areas within easy driving distance. Thats a lot of people whom will be getting the B1G Network for not just MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple but for their apponents as well. The B1g Network is there already but you can see the ground work being laid for a nice bump in charges.

By the Way Boston is a Pro Sports town as well. Bet you there are some inroads there without having to take Boston College.

It's not just infiltrating a market, It's conquering that market.

Any value from being in the cities are in the form of media (current and future), alumni giving, networking, politics. The states are where they wanted to move into. Yes, there is an added inter-conference politics factor in denying the ACC complete dominance of the East coast and making the B1G better known in the new areas.

(06-08-2014 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  But UConn isn't competing against Cuse/Pitt for a possible spot, but the perception (or speculation, if you will) that they wouldn't be an accretion to the current membership. I don't know the answer to that but it's something that has to be factored in.

The point here is that UConn is already to "Accretion" into the B1G. They can open the Boston market without being in it. I've been to Boston many times and while it's true they are also a Pro Sports Town, they love winners and Basketball. UConn is a winner in both men's and women's hoops. That's your accretion.

(06-08-2014 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  But the B1G already has the presence they wanted in Pennsylvania through PSU. The few that they won't have in Pittsburgh or Philly either: a) are casual or non-sports fans; b) already support other area teams

RU and UMD has as much (actually more) to do with being in two new states. Also, access to East coast high school students and continual contact with B1G alumni spread in those two states.

Yes the B1G is in Pennsylvania but this is about money as it's always been. This is a blatant money grab. So by taking Temple, the B1g now has yet another "Platform" form which to show all of their teams and reinforce their presence and spread themselves thru the casual fans often as that's the way you gain fans. We usually begin to follow what we grow up with or see frequently. By having games in Philly and all conference games on Philly's channels, there's more of a chance to gain more fans and raise current prices on subscriptions do to the greater presence and variety of that presence.

Penn State doesn't give the B1G the coverage in Pennsylvania they want. They gave them enough to enter the market. This is just saturating that market for the Price bump and increase of revenue.

(06-08-2014 04:56 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Any value from being in the cities are in the form of media (current and future), alumni giving, networking, politics. The states are where they wanted to move into. Yes, there is an added inter-conference politics factor in denying the ACC complete dominance of the East coast and making the B1G better known in the new areas.

Wrong! Once again this is not an attempt at one up-mans-ship. It's a calculated and aggressive act to enter and control a Market for the sake of maximizing revenue streams. That's precisely why taking UConn and Temple would be important. Again they serve not just as their own entities but also as platforms from which to broadcast the entire litany of B1G materials from. That's their greatest asset, LOCATION.

If you don't understand, that's fine. I was just pouring it out there.

It's already questionable if Rutgers/Maryland will pay off more per school. That was a risk the conference felt it had to take as there was a threat to its east coast presence from the ACC, but there is no guarantee the 14 team Big Ten will be making more per team than the 12 team Big Ten would have in the next contract. (note: I think it will, but I also think there is room for debate.)

Temple is a complete non-starter. They would give you moderate more attention in the Philadelphia area. That's not even close to the amount of attention to make the Big Ten more and it would also mean fewer match-ups that are worth money.

UConn is a little debatable, but these are football moves and the likelihood of UConn bringing in more total money than it takes is questionable at the very least. Even if they can, the fact that the Big Ten did not seem at all interested in Florida State (who actively had boosters suggesting it was time to move from the ACC) should say all that needs to be said about the Big Ten's interest in "academics" and UConn's strengths aren't nearly enough to make up for the fact that it is not AAU (in contrast to say someone like Oklahoma who's shortcoming would be easier to overlook).

(06-08-2014 11:17 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 10:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 09:11 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Once the GOR are upheld, there will be an assault on the American in an effort to capitalize on the upcomming Media Contracts. They all know that the future may be Sunshine and Lollypops but it just as well could be Doom and Gloom.

The Big Boys want their money sooner as opposed to later.

The question is whether there's any net additional money per school there.

In other words, this is based on a theory that there's money to be had, but there's more money to be had from some ACC schools, so the Big Ten is waiting to find out if the ACC options are closed off for a decade or more.

That's one theory, but the simple arithmetic is that there has to be more money added per new school from raiding the American than the Big Ten stands to get per existing school with a new contract under with its current alignment.

And there's not, so any available adds from the America alone are a cut in money to the current Big Ten schools (per school).

The pair of Rutgers and Maryland pays its way, but remember that Rutgers was available for a while ... and surely no other Old Big East school would have turned down the Big Ten either ... and it was the opening to take Maryland and the appeal of the two as a pair that drove the move.

So the simple explanation why the Big Ten has not yet added any more schools from the American is that there aren't any moves of interest at the present point in time. And not the theory about wanting some moves, but waiting to see if better moves are available.

(06-08-2014 07:57 AM)Strut Wrote:  In the very near term I agree and don't anticipate much to change, but a few years closer to GOR's expiring I could see the desire for major shifts. The CFP is an unknown at the moment but I expect it to cause some upheavals due to the enormous exposure and money involved; creating impacts after evolving much like Big Ten Network has. It took a few years but look at the seismic shifts in college sports since then.

This seems likely. We don't know what shape media revenue will take ten years from now ~ indeed, the long GOR can be seen as a way to react to that uncertainty, with the large flows of money meaning that the risks of change seem greater to both sides of the deal than the current state of affairs.

It seems almost certain that there will be a massive change in how we consume media by 2025, but anybody who is peddling a story that specifies exactly how that is going to play out is trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. Nobody knows. Nobody can know, because too many of the critical decisions that will determine how things play out actually haven't been made yet.

Given that anybody's projection is a guess, the schools are not going to be comfortable with risking $10m's on guesswork. So there is going to be a lot of "wait and see how it works" over the coming five years.

(06-08-2014 05:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  ... I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have?

And also, the ACC is playing some of its BBall tournaments in Brooklyn. Both Syracuse and Pitt have got to be loving that decision.

I'm sorry but UConn brings more to the table from a Porgram and Brand then either Syracuse or Pitt at this time. UConn is obviously the horse of choise in NYC by anyone who witnessed the recent NCAA Tourney. As far as markets go, Philadelphia is larger then Syracuse and Pitt's markets combined.

See if you can follow along here. It's not just the market but what you can gain from it. Philadelphia like NYC is a Pro Sports town. however, both will turn out to see their almamaters play and there are a lot of B1G Alumi in both NYC and Philadelphia. MD and Rutgers may help bring NYC but neither bring in Philadelphia and please don't mention Penn State, they just don't register there. Temple doesn't either but they are there and will be hosting B1G Shools while they play there and raise interest.

Now with the B1g having MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple, (Yes i said Temple). They can saturate the Washington D.C./Baltimore/Philadelphia/NYC/Hartford Markets In essence they are gaining almost all of "Gotham City". This is approximately 40 to 50 Million people not including areas within easy driving distance. Thats a lot of people whom will be getting the B1G Network for not just MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple but for their apponents as well. The B1g Network is there already but you can see the ground work being laid for a nice bump in charges.

By the Way Boston is a Pro Sports town as well. Bet you there are some inroads there without having to take Boston College.

It's not just infiltrating a market, It's conquering that market.

JMHO

Can you explain "Gotham City"? Seriously, what does that even mean?

Temple, as much as I hate what has happened to them in all of this is extremely redundant given Penn State. Then with Rutgers and Maryland surrounding them its just expounded upon. And please stop with the nobody registers in Philly crap. Rutgers registers in South Jersey and Penn State registers throughout that area. And part of that area definitely falls into Maryland's sphere of influence too.

UConn has a legitimate argument to be made for it. No questioning that.

Yeah seriously the Temple suggestion is laughable. As a Rutgers fan, I've always liked them as one of our long-time football rivals (one of the BE schools that sucked as badly as we did back in the day but made for a great interstate rivalry), but c'mon. They don't get all that much support in Philly (Penn State dominates that city regardless of where they are located), don't have the academics required for the B1G, and as brista said, makes for a redundant addition since the Rutgers brand has plenty of pull in South Jersey too, especially since they have one of their 3 university campuses right next to Philly.

If the B1G wants to really complete their NE corridor coverage, they should give UConn consideration and keep pursuing UVA (who is the best fit for the conference academically), and if they really want to keep sticking to the east coast after that, UNC and Duke due to their location and legendary basketball pedegree (I doubt they'd ever leave the ACC unless it was imploding).

SUNY Buffalo, Stony Brook and UMass would have been ideal for the B1G (flagship state schools in two of the richest and most influencial states with TONS of their alumni in the two of the three most important media markets on the east coast in NYC and Boston) had they ever really developed their football into something special and popular the way that Rutgers elevated themselves so much over the past 20 years and UConn did with their basketball and for a short time their football too, but in the end, there's no resume to speak of.

The AAC has potential to be a good athletic conference going forward. It has already achieved much this season. If those schools can stick together for the next 6 years they could become a more valuable property to a network hungry for content. That is where the efforts should be focused.

(06-08-2014 09:43 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 11:17 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 10:08 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 09:11 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Once the GOR are upheld, there will be an assault on the American in an effort to capitalize on the upcomming Media Contracts. They all know that the future may be Sunshine and Lollypops but it just as well could be Doom and Gloom.

The Big Boys want their money sooner as opposed to later.

The question is whether there's any net additional money per school there.

In other words, this is based on a theory that there's money to be had, but there's more money to be had from some ACC schools, so the Big Ten is waiting to find out if the ACC options are closed off for a decade or more.

That's one theory, but the simple arithmetic is that there has to be more money added per new school from raiding the American than the Big Ten stands to get per existing school with a new contract under with its current alignment.

And there's not, so any available adds from the America alone are a cut in money to the current Big Ten schools (per school).

The pair of Rutgers and Maryland pays its way, but remember that Rutgers was available for a while ... and surely no other Old Big East school would have turned down the Big Ten either ... and it was the opening to take Maryland and the appeal of the two as a pair that drove the move.

So the simple explanation why the Big Ten has not yet added any more schools from the American is that there aren't any moves of interest at the present point in time. And not the theory about wanting some moves, but waiting to see if better moves are available.

(06-08-2014 07:57 AM)Strut Wrote:  In the very near term I agree and don't anticipate much to change, but a few years closer to GOR's expiring I could see the desire for major shifts. The CFP is an unknown at the moment but I expect it to cause some upheavals due to the enormous exposure and money involved; creating impacts after evolving much like Big Ten Network has. It took a few years but look at the seismic shifts in college sports since then.

This seems likely. We don't know what shape media revenue will take ten years from now ~ indeed, the long GOR can be seen as a way to react to that uncertainty, with the large flows of money meaning that the risks of change seem greater to both sides of the deal than the current state of affairs.

It seems almost certain that there will be a massive change in how we consume media by 2025, but anybody who is peddling a story that specifies exactly how that is going to play out is trying to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. Nobody knows. Nobody can know, because too many of the critical decisions that will determine how things play out actually haven't been made yet.

Given that anybody's projection is a guess, the schools are not going to be comfortable with risking $10m's on guesswork. So there is going to be a lot of "wait and see how it works" over the coming five years.

(06-08-2014 05:46 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(03-03-2014 08:15 PM)Strut Wrote:  ... I also think that Syracuse and Pittsburgh will eventually get tired of going to Carolina for tournaments and will want to weigh options.

How much sway do Pitt and Cuse really have?

And also, the ACC is playing some of its BBall tournaments in Brooklyn. Both Syracuse and Pitt have got to be loving that decision.

I'm sorry but UConn brings more to the table from a Porgram and Brand then either Syracuse or Pitt at this time. UConn is obviously the horse of choise in NYC by anyone who witnessed the recent NCAA Tourney. As far as markets go, Philadelphia is larger then Syracuse and Pitt's markets combined.

See if you can follow along here. It's not just the market but what you can gain from it. Philadelphia like NYC is a Pro Sports town. however, both will turn out to see their almamaters play and there are a lot of B1G Alumi in both NYC and Philadelphia. MD and Rutgers may help bring NYC but neither bring in Philadelphia and please don't mention Penn State, they just don't register there. Temple doesn't either but they are there and will be hosting B1G Shools while they play there and raise interest.

Now with the B1g having MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple, (Yes i said Temple). They can saturate the Washington D.C./Baltimore/Philadelphia/NYC/Hartford Markets In essence they are gaining almost all of "Gotham City". This is approximately 40 to 50 Million people not including areas within easy driving distance. Thats a lot of people whom will be getting the B1G Network for not just MD, Rutgers, UConn and Temple but for their apponents as well. The B1g Network is there already but you can see the ground work being laid for a nice bump in charges.

By the Way Boston is a Pro Sports town as well. Bet you there are some inroads there without having to take Boston College.

It's not just infiltrating a market, It's conquering that market.

JMHO

Can you explain "Gotham City"? Seriously, what does that even mean?

Temple, as much as I hate what has happened to them in all of this is extremely redundant given Penn State. Then with Rutgers and Maryland surrounding them its just expounded upon. And please stop with the nobody registers in Philly crap. Rutgers registers in South Jersey and Penn State registers throughout that area. And part of that area definitely falls into Maryland's sphere of influence too.

UConn has a legitimate argument to be made for it. No questioning that.

Sorry I forget the age difference many times. Gotham or Metropolis were both Comic Book cities but also names referring to the almost continuous metropolitan area that extends from, Washington D.C. to Boston Ma. This was also once called a Megalopolis but at that time only stretched from Washington DC to New Your City.

As for the Temple add, I stated they would be only there for Location and another place to show case B1G Sports. So you'd have MD, Rutgers, Temple and UConn all in that huge population market. Now you could feasibly have two games played there each and every week of the Football and Basketball seasons with two of those schools playing home games each week, (Or more for Basketball season). Not to mention the times that they would play each other. To further enhance the "Fan experience", all of those schools are within reasonable driving distances.

As I said it's not about entering a Market. It's about Dominating that market and fleecing it for all it's worth.

[quote='USFRamenu' pid='10817814' dateline='1402268317']
The point here is that UConn is already to "Accretion" into the B1G. They can open the Boston market without being in it. I've been to Boston many times and while it's true they are also a Pro Sports Town, they love winners and Basketball. UConn is a winner in both men's and women's hoops. That's your accretion.

[quote='Transic_nyc' pid='10817728' dateline='1402264601']


With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

(06-09-2014 01:35 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Excuse me while I laugh. I've been there because my wives family were born there and still reside there. I've seen more UConn, Rutgers, Pittsburg, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and North Carolina Jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston Collage and my father-in-law went to Boston College. Heck I've seen More Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Dallas and Bucs jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston College jersies and sweaters. The Only teams who can claim to actually move that market are the Bruins, Patriots, Red Sox and Celtics.

I said that maybe by having 4 teams based in close proximity and playing a ton of games in the area with a ton of advertising, you could have an inroad. I suggested; "I best you there are some inroads there." So please don't attack a post that was speculation and listed as such with weak comments that have no facts.

By the way next time try using a sample size that contains more then 4 games. yeash I wonder who those games were against. Maybe that had a little to do with the ratings. Hmmmmm. Those games were probably, vs FL St., UofL, USC, and either Clemson, Pitt or Cuse.

Oh and here's your attendance records for 2013. http://www.bcinterruption.com/2014/2/18/...ly-in-2013
You averaged 33,006 per game. Second last in the ACC. Sorry but Boston College is not moving the needle. Perhaps someone else could.

(06-09-2014 03:07 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:35 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Excuse me while I laugh. I've been there because my wives family were born there and still reside there. I've seen more UConn, Rutgers, Pittsburg, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and North Carolina Jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston Collage and my father-in-law went to Boston College. Heck I've seen More Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Dallas and Bucs jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston College jersies and sweaters. The Only teams who can claim to actually move that market are the Bruins, Patriots, Red Sox and Celtics.

I said that maybe by having 4 teams based in close proximity and playing a ton of games in the area with a ton of advertising, you could have an inroad. I suggested; "I best you there are some inroads there." So please don't attack a post that was speculation and listed as such with weak comments that have no facts.

By the way next time try using a sample size that contains more then 4 games. yeash I wonder who those games were against. Maybe that had a little to do with the ratings. Hmmmmm. Those games were probably, vs FL St., UofL, USC, and either Clemson, Pitt or Cuse.

Oh and here's your attendance records for 2013. http://www.bcinterruption.com/2014/2/18/...ly-in-2013
You averaged 33,006 per game. Second last in the ACC. Sorry but Boston College is not moving the needle. Perhaps someone else could.

No, my friend. I am the one doing the laughing.

I love how you claim I provided no facts to support my opinion. I provided you with a summary of the TV ratings for 2013 where BC was far ahead of Uconn. Those are facts. Was it a small sample? It was for all the major games in 2013. The sample included Uconn's prime time game against Michigan and against a ranked Louisville team so it isn't like they played nobody. Yes, BC's games were against the FSU's and Clemson's, but other teams who also played those teams - notably Maryland - had lower ratings then BC. IMO, the results don't fit into your narrative, so you attack the data.

Funny though, you had no problem using your own set of limited data in your response. You chose to include BC fan attendance for ONE year. Talk about a limited sample! Using the year when BC came off its worst season in almost 35 years! But hey, how was Uconn's attendance last year? Oh, yes, it was 30,932! It was LESS than BC's attendance that you mocked. Really effective argument you have there!

I think you missed my point. No college team is going to move the needle like the Boston pro sports teams. That is not in question. That said, when BC is good - circa Matt Ryan years - they do get attention in Boston. Conversely, most Bostonians would agree with me that out of state teams do not move the needle in Boston for the reasons I stated. If you lived here, you would know that.

(06-09-2014 03:07 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:35 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Excuse me while I laugh. I've been there because my wives family were born there and still reside there. I've seen more UConn, Rutgers, Pittsburg, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and North Carolina Jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston Collage and my father-in-law went to Boston College. Heck I've seen More Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Dallas and Bucs jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston College jersies and sweaters. The Only teams who can claim to actually move that market are the Bruins, Patriots, Red Sox and Celtics.

I said that maybe by having 4 teams based in close proximity and playing a ton of games in the area with a ton of advertising, you could have an inroad. I suggested; "I best you there are some inroads there." So please don't attack a post that was speculation and listed as such with weak comments that have no facts.

By the way next time try using a sample size that contains more then 4 games. yeash I wonder who those games were against. Maybe that had a little to do with the ratings. Hmmmmm. Those games were probably, vs FL St., UofL, USC, and either Clemson, Pitt or Cuse.

Oh and here's your attendance records for 2013. http://www.bcinterruption.com/2014/2/18/...ly-in-2013
You averaged 33,006 per game. Second last in the ACC. Sorry but Boston College is not moving the needle. Perhaps someone else could.

That Brian Favat guy on BC Interruption is an absolute clown. The guy is obsessed with UConn and tries to slam the Huskies at every turn. Meanwhile, he gives us this "expert" analysis of declining BC atttendance in the article you linked:
"While college football attendance numbers are struggling nationally, my sense is Boston College struggled in particular given a front-loaded nature of the home schedule (four of the six home games were over by October 5) coming off a listless 2-10 season." WHAT! Really? Front loading almost ensures GOOD WEATHER games in New England (where it can get cold and snowy be the tail end of the season). Fans should LOVE attending those games if the opponents are good. If the fans didn't show, it was because of the fanbase or the quality of the product on the field, such as the fans expecting another 2-10 season from the Eagles. (As a UConn fan, I freely admit that our attendance was down last year because we were BAD! No excuses.)

I agree with the BC poster in that I don't expect Boston fans to "follow" UConn even if they are winning (however, you don't need to be a "follower: of UConn to watch them on your TV some Saturdays). There are SO many alums of B1G schools here (Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State mostly) that having UConn nearby would help with the BTN in New England and would give local B1G fans another place to catch a football game. For basketball, UConn would be a huge addition for the B1G! Anyway, while all of Boston won't "root" for UConn per se, all of New England at least casually pulls for UConn when they are doing well (at least in hoop). UConn is the only New England school winning national titles in a revenue sport at the moment.

(06-09-2014 04:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 03:07 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:35 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Excuse me while I laugh. I've been there because my wives family were born there and still reside there. I've seen more UConn, Rutgers, Pittsburg, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and North Carolina Jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston Collage and my father-in-law went to Boston College. Heck I've seen More Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Dallas and Bucs jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston College jersies and sweaters. The Only teams who can claim to actually move that market are the Bruins, Patriots, Red Sox and Celtics.

I said that maybe by having 4 teams based in close proximity and playing a ton of games in the area with a ton of advertising, you could have an inroad. I suggested; "I best you there are some inroads there." So please don't attack a post that was speculation and listed as such with weak comments that have no facts.

By the way next time try using a sample size that contains more then 4 games. yeash I wonder who those games were against. Maybe that had a little to do with the ratings. Hmmmmm. Those games were probably, vs FL St., UofL, USC, and either Clemson, Pitt or Cuse.

Oh and here's your attendance records for 2013. http://www.bcinterruption.com/2014/2/18/...ly-in-2013
You averaged 33,006 per game. Second last in the ACC. Sorry but Boston College is not moving the needle. Perhaps someone else could.

That Brian Favat guy on BC Interruption is an absolute clown. The guy is obsessed with UConn and tries to slam the Huskies at every turn. Meanwhile, he gives us this "expert" analysis of declining BC atttendance in the article you linked:
"While college football attendance numbers are struggling nationally, my sense is Boston College struggled in particular given a front-loaded nature of the home schedule (four of the six home games were over by October 5) coming off a listless 2-10 season." WHAT! Really? Front loading almost ensures GOOD WEATHER games in New England (where it can get cold and snowy be the tail end of the season). Fans should LOVE attending those games if the opponents are good. If the fans didn't show, it was because of the fanbase or the quality of the product on the field, such as the fans expecting another 2-10 season from the Eagles. (As a UConn fan, I freely admit that our attendance was down last year because we were BAD! No excuses.)

I agree with the BC poster in that I don't expect Boston fans to "follow" UConn even if they are winning (however, you don't need to be a "follower: of UConn to watch them on your TV some Saturdays). There are SO many alums of B1G schools here (Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State mostly) that having UConn nearby would help with the BTN in New England and would give local B1G fans another place to catch a football game. For basketball, UConn would be a huge addition for the B1G! Anyway, while all of Boston won't "root" for UConn per se, all of New England at least casually pulls for UConn when they are doing well (at least in hoop). UConn is the only New England school winning national titles in a revenue sport at the moment.

Hi UconnHusky. Just want to make sure you understand my responses. They were NOT intended as a knock on Uconn. I am very impressed what Uconn BB has been able to accomplish. I was only responding to the OP's points - especially on the attendance - which the OP brought up.

(06-09-2014 04:30 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 04:23 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 03:07 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-09-2014 01:35 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  With all due respect, you may have been to Boston many times, but you really don't understand the mindset of the average Bostonian. As someone who has lived in Boston most of my life, I can tell you that anything west of Rt. 495 might as well be in Siberia to the average Bostonian. It is a running joke around these parts. Ask anyone in Springfield or anywhere else in Western Massachusetts about this and they will give you an earful!

The thought that a team playing in another state is going to move the needle in Boston is just fantasy, IMO.

Boston IS a pro sports town - that is true. But, other than another school's alumni who live in the area, the only college FB team that will move the needle in Boston is Boston College - in no small part because they actually play there. They are covered in the local papers and non network games are shown on NESN - the region's premier cable sports network.

Yes, Boston loves its winners - but that would be the teams that actually PLAY in the Boston area - not teams from other states.

Boston College does enjoy good TV ratings in Boston and elsewhere
http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013/12/4...m-missouri

Excuse me while I laugh. I've been there because my wives family were born there and still reside there. I've seen more UConn, Rutgers, Pittsburg, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan and North Carolina Jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston Collage and my father-in-law went to Boston College. Heck I've seen More Browns, Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Giants, Dallas and Bucs jersies and Sweaters then I've seen Boston College jersies and sweaters. The Only teams who can claim to actually move that market are the Bruins, Patriots, Red Sox and Celtics.

I said that maybe by having 4 teams based in close proximity and playing a ton of games in the area with a ton of advertising, you could have an inroad. I suggested; "I best you there are some inroads there." So please don't attack a post that was speculation and listed as such with weak comments that have no facts.

By the way next time try using a sample size that contains more then 4 games. yeash I wonder who those games were against. Maybe that had a little to do with the ratings. Hmmmmm. Those games were probably, vs FL St., UofL, USC, and either Clemson, Pitt or Cuse.

Oh and here's your attendance records for 2013. http://www.bcinterruption.com/2014/2/18/...ly-in-2013
You averaged 33,006 per game. Second last in the ACC. Sorry but Boston College is not moving the needle. Perhaps someone else could.

That Brian Favat guy on BC Interruption is an absolute clown. The guy is obsessed with UConn and tries to slam the Huskies at every turn. Meanwhile, he gives us this "expert" analysis of declining BC atttendance in the article you linked:
"While college football attendance numbers are struggling nationally, my sense is Boston College struggled in particular given a front-loaded nature of the home schedule (four of the six home games were over by October 5) coming off a listless 2-10 season." WHAT! Really? Front loading almost ensures GOOD WEATHER games in New England (where it can get cold and snowy be the tail end of the season). Fans should LOVE attending those games if the opponents are good. If the fans didn't show, it was because of the fanbase or the quality of the product on the field, such as the fans expecting another 2-10 season from the Eagles. (As a UConn fan, I freely admit that our attendance was down last year because we were BAD! No excuses.)

I agree with the BC poster in that I don't expect Boston fans to "follow" UConn even if they are winning (however, you don't need to be a "follower: of UConn to watch them on your TV some Saturdays). There are SO many alums of B1G schools here (Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers, and Ohio State mostly) that having UConn nearby would help with the BTN in New England and would give local B1G fans another place to catch a football game. For basketball, UConn would be a huge addition for the B1G! Anyway, while all of Boston won't "root" for UConn per se, all of New England at least casually pulls for UConn when they are doing well (at least in hoop). UConn is the only New England school winning national titles in a revenue sport at the moment.

Hi UconnHusky. Just want to make sure you understand my responses. They were NOT intended as a knock on Uconn. I am very impressed what Uconn BB has been able to accomplish. I was only responding to the OP's points - especially on the attendance - which the OP brought up.

No offense taken. I want to make sure that you also understand that I am not knocking BC either. Attendance fluctuates at most schools on occasion and BC's football attendance is usually very good. I was just knocking Brian's reasoning. However, the reason BC's attendance was down is the same reason that UConn's was down... both programs hit a temporary down period in the quality of the on-field product. I fully expect both BC and UConn to get back to being competitive programs.

Did you even read the post or it's intent. No you didn't. My point and my entire chain of posts wre to the advantages of rthe B1G using teams in the Huge continuous metropolitan areas of Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, Hartford, Providence and Boston, to maximize their brand and creat/boost their fan base and Obtain/inclease Cable Subscriptions.

Your jumping in with one team that you even admit fails to control it's own market. My idea uses the entire B1G Conference to infiltrate and obtain subscribers for that entire area and all those adjoining markets.

Man I hate Fan Boys. I'm not even a UConn fan but, did you check their Basketball ratings? No you used your 4 most watched Football games where you played far more interesting teams then UConn did and they have had arguably a terrible team of late. Not a nock on UConn just telling the truth.

So please stop arguing and read the message.

As for my knowledge of the Boston area? I spend roughly half my year, every single year there. Wtih family all over the Duxbury and Hampton areas. So I'm constantly there for aniversaries, birthdays, engagements, graduations and many more events.

Sorry to have stepped on your school pride. I didn't mean to. It was a proposal and written as such. reread my posts form the begining after taking off your Boston College Goggles and you'll see that I actually was not trying to offend.

I'm done here. This is why you can't suggest buisness issues on a sports board.

(06-09-2014 04:51 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Did you even read the post or it's intent. No you didn't. My point and my entire chain of posts wre to the advantages of rthe B1G using teams in the Huge continuous metropolitan areas of Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NYC, Hartford, Providence and Boston, to maximize their brand and creat/boost their fan base and Obtain/inclease Cable Subscriptions.

Your jumping in with one team that you even admit fails to control it's own market. My idea uses the entire B1G Conference to infiltrate and obtain subscribers for that entire area and all those adjoining markets.

Man I hate Fan Boys. I'm not even a UConn fan but, did you check their Basketball ratings? No you used your 4 most watched Football games where you played far more interesting teams then UConn did and they have had arguably a terrible team of late. Not a nock on UConn just telling the truth.

So please stop arguing and read the message.

As for my knowledge of the Boston area? I spend roughly half my year, every single year there. Wtih family all over the Duxbury and Hampton areas. So I'm constantly there for aniversaries, birthdays, engagements, graduations and many more events.

Sorry to have stepped on your school pride. I didn't mean to. It was a proposal and written as such. reread my posts form the begining after taking off your Boston College Goggles and you'll see that I actually was not trying to offend.

I'm done here. This is why you can't suggest buisness issues on a sports board.

Oh come on.....this is a message board. Its very purpose is for fans of differing viewpoints to debate them here. We are having a conversation. We disagree. Why do you feel the need to lace your replies with personal insults? Fanboys? Really?

I disagree with your initial comments. We do agree that college sports is dwarfed in Boston by highly successful pro teams. That said, my OPINION is the only team that DOES move the needle for college sports in Boston is BC - especially when they are successful - i.e. the Matt Ryan years. That is NOT a knock on other teams - its just that, IMO, the often noted provincialism in the Boston fandom is a limiting factor for out of state teams. BC is covered in both major dailies by beat writers. Its games not on the national networks are covered by the local regional cable network- and, yes, BC gear is sold in many of the sporting goods stores around Boston - along with other Boston area programs (and Umass). Just as CT. stores predominately sell Uconn gear and not the gear of Mass. located programs, you would be harder pressed to find Uconn gear in local Boston retail stores.

When BC is good, people around here pay attention. I am not saying that alums of other programs living in the area won't embrace their teams, but, IMO, they won't move the overall needle in the Town. BTW, you might have seen this before, but I will attach the following article from Bob Ryan that makes some interesting points.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/1...story.html

Look, you can complain about the data I included, but what data have you provided? (Other than last year's BC attendance numbers which, IMO, if anything, were not helpful to your point.) Pretty much everything else you stated was opinion. Nothing wrong with that but don't be surprised when someone disagrees with your opinions. (Yes, I know about BB numbers - but, as widely reported, most would agree its the FB numbers that are the drivers in these decisions.)

You want to continue to have a conversation about this? Great! If not, good chatting with you.