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I don't know what it is, UConn winning the NC, the AAC winning a BCS Bowl, the AAC possibly winning the women's basketball NC, or the FS1 vs ESPN rating fights, but something has got "some camps" pissed off or scared, I don't know which?

"Affiliation" is the new word of the 05-stirthepot


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...ey-do-now/



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UConn’s current coach, Calhoun’s former player and assistant Kevin Ollie, showed he could do the job from the bench. The question is how well he’ll recruit. And without the high profile, highly regarded Big East basketball brand to sell.

That is, unless he does have it at some point. Remember Notre Dame’s recent decision to “affiliate” with the ACC in football, announcing it will play five games a year against ACC opponents without actually joining the conference (the Irish did join in other sports)?




Joseph Bailey, a sports industry recruiter who recently served as the Big East’s interim commissioner, says he wouldn’t be surprised if more schools turned to that option. “UConn has two choices, to stay where they are or to affiliate,” says Bailey, who believes an affiliation with the Big East is a possible scenario, if not necessarily likely.


Given how fast things are changing, it’s still anyone’s guess how things will ultimately develop on the college sports front. Thirty years after a Supreme Court decision effectively deregulated the industry by allowing individual schools and conferences to negotiate their own television deals, power conferences are back to wielding as much power as they did before the deregulation. The mergers have raised the eyebrows of some who point to the increasingly demanding travel schedules for non-revenue sport athletes in exchange for the TV money that the major sports bring in. It’s possible that looser conference affiliations – power conferences for basketball and football, either separate or together, along with closer geographic clusters for the other sports – could become the working model at some point.

“This is a follow the leader industry,” says Bailey. “School presidents change, you have to think about it in terms of people, about who is the leader of the day.”
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(04-08-2014 02:37 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I don't know what it is, UConn winning the NC, the AAC winning a BCS Bowl, the AAC possibly winning the women's basketball NC, or the FS1 vs ESPN rating fights, but something has got "some camps" pissed off or scared, I don't know which?

"Affiliation" is the new word of the 05-stirthepot


http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomvanriper/...ey-do-now/



excerpt:


UConn’s current coach, Calhoun’s former player and assistant Kevin Ollie, showed he could do the job from the bench. The question is how well he’ll recruit. And without the high profile, highly regarded Big East basketball brand to sell.

That is, unless he does have it at some point. Remember Notre Dame’s recent decision to “affiliate” with the ACC in football, announcing it will play five games a year against ACC opponents without actually joining the conference (the Irish did join in other sports)?




Joseph Bailey, a sports industry recruiter who recently served as the Big East’s interim commissioner, says he wouldn’t be surprised if more schools turned to that option. “UConn has two choices, to stay where they are or to affiliate,” says Bailey, who believes an affiliation with the Big East is a possible scenario, if not necessarily likely.


Given how fast things are changing, it’s still anyone’s guess how things will ultimately develop on the college sports front. Thirty years after a Supreme Court decision effectively deregulated the industry by allowing individual schools and conferences to negotiate their own television deals, power conferences are back to wielding as much power as they did before the deregulation. The mergers have raised the eyebrows of some who point to the increasingly demanding travel schedules for non-revenue sport athletes in exchange for the TV money that the major sports bring in. It’s possible that looser conference affiliations – power conferences for basketball and football, either separate or together, along with closer geographic clusters for the other sports – could become the working model at some point.

“This is a follow the leader industry,” says Bailey. “School presidents change, you have to think about it in terms of people, about who is the leader of the day.”

From the same article:

A Big East hoops reunion could be a long shot for Connecticut – the school would need the AAC or another football conference to accept an affiliation agreement that wouldn’t include basketball.

I just don't see any conference taking UConn football only, and it did it wouldn't be the AAC.
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The Big East brand isn't real any longer. This is a dumb article. UConn is not going to go to the Big East.
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Forbes should stick to finance and leave sports to the rest of us...
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I agree. Those are some dumb quotes from Bailey and the article is no less odd.

Don't you think UConn surveyed all of its options prior to joining the American?

Of course they did! Don't be naive.

The problem with following the "Notre Dame model" is that they are not Notre Dame and they never will be Notre Dame. Therefore, following that model would be an obscenely moronic decision.

The Connecticut Huskies are right where they need to be right now. Hopefully, when the next round of reshuffling occurs, they'll be in position to take advantage of their good fortune. However, by "affiliating" with the Big East in ever sport but football and plauying football in the MAC or something like that, would be an incredibly foolish decision on their part.
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Quote:“UConn has two choices, to stay where they are or to affiliate,” says Bailey, who believes an affiliation with the Big East is a possible scenario, if not necessarily likely.
I suppose the key word here is possible, which covers a lot of territory. A lot of crazy things are theoretically "possible, if not necessarily likely."
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If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.
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(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

If the AAC was faced with that alternative they just might be willing to agree to UConn FB-only if they can accept a hefty buyout fee as part of the arrangement.

Largely it seems like a moot point though because the AAC earned 11 units this year in its first season and a NC. To get the AAC basketball fund ramped up to a 1 million per school payout its going to take 40 units and at this pace they should be there in another 3 years. The media money is a little higher in the BE for now but the AAC has more long term potential.
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The only thing I could see would be if the AAC capitalized on its basketball success by using the opportunity to add some basketball schools in the footprint to recreate the BE model where 6-9 AAC schools could be competing for NCAA bids every year. If the AAC continues to enjoy solid success in basketball, the media contract is going to be greatly improved in 6 years. Until then, the realignment fund payments and ESPN exposure (vs Fox Sports-1) will keep UConn in as good or perhaps better position than they would enjoy in the Big East.
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(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.
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Dumbest article of the year
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(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference.

To have an FBS conference you need to have 8 all sport members but I could see some variant of what you are talking about tried someday.

Delaware and JMU would work nicely in something like this but they aren't making the smart short term move and taking an SBC offer. The quicker they move up the quicker a league like the above could potentially happen.
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(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.
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(04-08-2014 03:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.
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(04-08-2014 03:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

Umm, no. That will not be an area of autonomy. In fact, that would defy the very definition of autonomy as it would be making rules for someone else.
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(04-08-2014 04:34 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

Umm, no. That will not be an area of autonomy. In fact, that would defy the very definition of autonomy as it would be making rules for someone else.

We do not know what the areas of autonomy are. Besides, if push comes to shove, the P5 will get what they want or they will leave---so the areas are negotiable. Besides, how would it be "making rules for someone else"? It wouldn't disallow existing conferences. It would simply allow FBS only conferences to exist.
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(04-08-2014 03:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

True. Why would they if its not a rule that benefits them?

It could lead potentially to the formation of additional FBS conferences, another 10-15 schools moving up and more challenge to their power base.
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(04-08-2014 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
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(04-08-2014 03:20 PM)Hilltop 75 Wrote:  If I am a AAC school I dont allow uconn to affiliate their non- football sports with the big east and leave just football in the AAC.

The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

True. Why would they if its not a rule that benefits them?

It could lead potentially to the formation of additional FBS conferences, another 10-15 schools moving up and more challenge to their power base.

Id see it differently. I could see more, smaller, more concentrated basketball conferences forming while the current alignments stayed the same or got larger for football.
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(04-08-2014 03:34 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  The "theory" goes from the Delaware message board and some chatter with UMass fans is this:

UConn, UMass, UC, Temple, Delaware, Buffalo, Navy, Army, Charlotte, and a couple others form a new FBS football-only conference (Atlantic 10 Football, or Big East 10, or Yankee Conference FBS or some name) and then "affiliate" their basketball and all there other sports with the Big East and Atlantic 10.

UConn, Cincinnati - Big East
UMass, Temple, Buffalo, Delaware, Charlotte - Atlantic 10
Navy, Army - Patriot

Not sure how the new CFP contract plays into it or if they need some sort of NCAA waiver and if they could get bowl-ties and such, but this is what is being worked on.

The rest of the AAC would form a new South West conference and the G5 would go into hyper-drive re-organization between the AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, etc.... some CUSA teams would go to the MWC, some would form new Southwest conference, some east coast AAC (ECU), CUSA, Sun Belt maybe a MAC team would form a new South East conference, etc..

Not sure if it can get off the ground though. It would make a mess of the entire G5 part of FBS and let more FCS teams in.

This may be what Forbes is referring to in the article with "affiliation" and new geography based conferences.

In this scenario the TV partner would have to be NBC Sports and NBC Regional (Comcast) who already cover the area and need college sports content. They bid on a HUGE AAC TV package and missed out, so they want the content just got outbid and are sitting needing some.

Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

Umm, no. That will not be an area of autonomy. In fact, that would defy the very definition of autonomy as it would be making rules for someone else.

We do not know what the areas of autonomy are. Besides, if push comes to shove, the P5 will get what they want or they will leave---so the areas are negotiable. Besides, how would it be "making rules for someone else"? It wouldn't disallow existing conferences. It would simply allow FBS only conferences to exist.

Actrually, there was an article last week which detailed what areas of autonomy would be initially. The question is why would the P5 push for an FBS-only conference rule that they would seemingly need to implement on themselves? Are you really that cynical to think that the P5 would push through a rule that they wouldn't use themselves? If anything, they would push through rules that make P5 conference membership MORE restrictive, not less.
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RE: "Affiliation"
(04-08-2014 04:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 04:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 04:34 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-08-2014 03:45 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Nope, not gonna happen. Can't have an FBS conference without other sports. Heck, you can't have a conference in D1 period without basketball. The rules state that an FBS conference needs at least 8 all-sports members that play football and basketball (and other team sports) and at least 16 sports in the conference. No way do they just get a "waiver" to do this.

Of course that's just an NCAA rule. If autonomy is granted, the P5 can just change those rules for FBS.

Umm, no. That will not be an area of autonomy. In fact, that would defy the very definition of autonomy as it would be making rules for someone else.

We do not know what the areas of autonomy are. Besides, if push comes to shove, the P5 will get what they want or they will leave---so the areas are negotiable. Besides, how would it be "making rules for someone else"? It wouldn't disallow existing conferences. It would simply allow FBS only conferences to exist.

Actrually, there was an article last week which detailed what areas of autonomy would be initially. The question is why would the P5 push for an FBS-only conference rule that they would seemingly need to implement on themselves? Are you really that cynical to think that the P5 would push through a rule that they wouldn't use themselves? If anything, they would push through rules that make P5 conference membership MORE restrictive, not less.

No. They wouldn't do it unless they wanted to do it. The author is simply throwing out a concept that has been kicked around for sometime. The idea that schools might align differently for different sports. Maybe the Big-12 stays together and gets even bigger for football--but the SWC returns for Olympic sports. Is the travel really necessary when the big purpose of these conferences is football alignment? Just saying, its an option if they wish to operate more efficiently in the future.
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