Here is what I found:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/...on_tr.html


is this the comparison you are trying to make?

What about this link:

http://www.universityherald.com/articles...-money.htm

?

What about this one?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/...p_yet.html

(04-23-2014 04:52 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 03:58 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  I should add...

There's been a lot of Buzz about the Burdell College of Technology in Laurel, Maryland seeking some sort of affiliation with the ACC. Care to comment how Burdell's hypothetical association with the ACC might benefit the conference?

affiliation is the new "word' of the

LOL. That was pretty good guys, I was wondering why I was having such a hard time finding it. Blonde moment of the year for me.

(04-23-2014 06:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Will the ACC make changes so that UVA doesn't make more on conference football revenue than ACC and National Champs FSU?

That is an interesting question, How did the SEC and Auburn handle the expenses? Could you link some info on this?

I don't know or care how the SEC handles it. Nor does it matter. Giving UVA more money than FSU is bullsh*t. FSU spent $300,000-400,000 less on the BCS than Auburn ($3.2M vs $2.8M). So it's not about FSU being fiscally irresponsible like some folks on here were trying to claim a month or two ago.

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:42 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 01:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Why it took rumors of interest in the Big XII for him to finally come to Clemson as ACC Commish.

Why the ACC's bowl selections are worse now than they were last year.

Back it up! This is your chance to separate yourself.

The Orange was a win, except for the fact that we had a chance to at least make a dent in the huge discrepancy between us and the SEC & B1G in bowl payout because of their Sugar and Rose Bowl associations by taking the lion's share of the payout but instead we gave them an equal share, which in effect neutralizes any benefit of us having our own anchor bowl.

The Russell Athletic is a downgrade from the Chick-fil-a no matter how you try to spin it. It's the kid sister bowl to the Capital One, thus will always be seen as the side show to the main event. The payout is a huge downgrade as well, unless the Florida Citrus folks upgrade the payout tremendously.

None of the rest of the ACC regular bowl slots are remarkable whatsoever except for the fact that two of them, the Advocare and Detroit Bowls are in the absolute worst locations possible for bowls. Add in the fact that we are a conditional for the Birmingham bowl and it gets worse. I suppose it's a blessing that Gary, Indiana and Lowell, Mass haven't started bowls because the ACC would evidently jump on both.

Oh yeah, and add in the fact that the parasites will yearly be taking one of these slots and pushing a more deserving ACC team down in the order of selection.

So I made my case....you make the case we upgraded.

I will stop at the bold. You need to elaborate further on this. What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate? What if ND is in the game? Payouts vary, do they not? What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

It's an indisputable fact that the SEC and Big Ten make more on their "access" bowls than the ACC. Some are claiming that the ACC will receive all of the Orange Bowl payout in years the Orange Bowl is a semifinal host. Except there's no proof that's anything other than incredibly wishful thinking. It'd make more sense than the ACC would receive the standard payout amount for whatever bowl the ACC team played in instead of the Orange.

(04-23-2014 06:57 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 05:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 02:42 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 01:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Why it took rumors of interest in the Big XII for him to finally come to Clemson as ACC Commish.

Why the ACC's bowl selections are worse now than they were last year.

Back it up! This is your chance to separate yourself.

The Orange was a win, except for the fact that we had a chance to at least make a dent in the huge discrepancy between us and the SEC & B1G in bowl payout because of their Sugar and Rose Bowl associations by taking the lion's share of the payout but instead we gave them an equal share, which in effect neutralizes any benefit of us having our own anchor bowl.

The Russell Athletic is a downgrade from the Chick-fil-a no matter how you try to spin it. It's the kid sister bowl to the Capital One, thus will always be seen as the side show to the main event. The payout is a huge downgrade as well, unless the Florida Citrus folks upgrade the payout tremendously.

None of the rest of the ACC regular bowl slots are remarkable whatsoever except for the fact that two of them, the Advocare and Detroit Bowls are in the absolute worst locations possible for bowls. Add in the fact that we are a conditional for the Birmingham bowl and it gets worse. I suppose it's a blessing that Gary, Indiana and Lowell, Mass haven't started bowls because the ACC would evidently jump on both.

Oh yeah, and add in the fact that the parasites will yearly be taking one of these slots and pushing a more deserving ACC team down in the order of selection.

So I made my case....you make the case we upgraded.

I will stop at the bold. You need to elaborate further on this. What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate? What if ND is in the game? Payouts vary, do they not? What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

It's an indisputable fact that the SEC and Big Ten make more on their "access" bowls than the ACC. Some are claiming that the ACC will receive all of the Orange Bowl payout in years the Orange Bowl is a semifinal host. Except there's no proof that's anything other than incredibly wishful thinking. It'd make more sense than the ACC would receive the standard payout amount for whatever bowl the ACC team played in instead of the Orange.

So you are saying that you don't know.

(04-23-2014 06:55 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Will the ACC make changes so that UVA doesn't make more on conference football revenue than ACC and National Champs FSU?

That is an interesting question, How did the SEC and Auburn handle the expenses? Could you link some info on this?

I don't know or care how the SEC handles it. Nor does it matter. Giving UVA more money than FSU is bullsh*t. FSU spent $300,000-400,000 less on the BCS than Auburn ($3.2M vs $2.8M). So it's not about FSU being fiscally irresponsible like some folks on here were trying to claim a month or two ago.

If FSU was concerned about losing the upfront money that they did on the trip, then they were absolutely fiscally incompetent because they surely would have known how much they were going to get reimbursed by the ACC for expenses, which is apparently more than Auburn got from the SEC.

It's one thing to have reasonable expectations of travel reimbursement and even a logical argument why they should be more, it is quite another to expect a carte blanche. FSU administrators are aware of this, as are Auburn's, as well as the fact that it takes money to make money and that bowls are a losing proposition for almost everyone. It's why FSU administrators aren't the one's making an issue out of it.

silly details.

The interview was about 19 minutes long. I didn't ask him anything dealing with the Maryland situation because I knew ahead if time that he won't speak to it. I did get the vibe that the 8+1 model is getting a really hard look. I mentioned the SEC deal, but he said that it could be other conferences within the power 5. Nothing definitive yet on ACC channel. He said that they will be watching the SEC launch closely. I got the vibe that he wants to do it. I also asked about the rival situation in hoops and basketball. At least for the shirt term, expect it to stay as is. Our show. Is tomorrow at 6 and you can listen live on espnlouisville.com. Ill podcast tomorrow night and post it here too.

Nothing earth shattering, but I feel there's a solid update as far as the schedule route could go.

(04-23-2014 08:46 PM)Villecard Wrote:  The interview was about 19 minutes long. I didn't ask him anything dealing with the Maryland situation because I knew ahead if time that he won't speak to it. I did get the vibe that the 8+1 model is getting a really hard look. I mentioned the SEC deal, but he said that it could be other conferences within the power 5. Nothing definitive yet on ACC channel. He said that they will be watching the SEC launch closely. I got the vibe that he wants to do it. I also asked about the rival situation in hoops and basketball. At least for the shirt term, expect it to stay as is. Our show. Is tomorrow at 6 and you can listen live on espnlouisville.com. Ill podcast tomorrow night and post it here too.

Nothing earth shattering, but I feel there's a solid update as far as the schedule route could go.

Thank you!

and congratulations!

Not everyone can pin down a ninja!

(04-23-2014 07:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:55 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Will the ACC make changes so that UVA doesn't make more on conference football revenue than ACC and National Champs FSU?

That is an interesting question, How did the SEC and Auburn handle the expenses? Could you link some info on this?

I don't know or care how the SEC handles it. Nor does it matter. Giving UVA more money than FSU is bullsh*t. FSU spent $300,000-400,000 less on the BCS than Auburn ($3.2M vs $2.8M). So it's not about FSU being fiscally irresponsible like some folks on here were trying to claim a month or two ago.

If FSU was concerned about losing the upfront money that they did on the trip, then they were absolutely fiscally incompetent because they surely would have known how much they were going to get reimbursed by the ACC for expenses, which is apparently more than Auburn got from the SEC.

It's one thing to have reasonable expectations of travel reimbursement and even a logical argument why they should be more, it is quite another to expect a carte blanche. FSU administrators are aware of this, as are Auburn's, as well as the fact that it takes money to make money and that bowls are a losing proposition for almost everyone. It's why FSU administrators aren't the one's making an issue out of it.

Except that is a nonsensical notion that only teams who will rarely be playing for ACC titles and will almost certainly never be playing for national titles hold. It does not make ANY sense for UVA to have made more money from ACC football this past year than FSU. Period.

It is 100% reasonable to expect FSU to make at least as much as UVA. Nobody is saying to to let FSU spend $10M on national title expenses. But you saying FSU should've been "responsible" and told the band to stay home, or to ride buses to Pasadena, or stay in a Motel 8 is ridiculous.

But of course some Pitt and UL fans don't get it. Same old Big East fans thinking they know what's best and right for everyone in the ACC. It's unfortunate that basketball doesn't have over 100-man rosters, numerous coaches, staff and other support personnel, and 500-member bands that travel to Final Fours. It's also a shame that basketball only brings in reportedly 20% of the ACC tv contract. And it's a shame some butt hurt fans want to call FSU irresponsible for wanting an even share of net profits (something like an additional $400K) from the BCS title game we played in and won for the conference, bringing attention and revenue to the conference it hasn't seen since the last time FSU won a national title, all while spending less money than their national title counterparts.

So by all means, keep acting like you know what the f you're talking about.

Better yet, blow me.

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate?

Other than the years the Orange Bowl host the playoffs the maximum number of years that Notre Dame can appear in the Orange Bowl is two during the length of the contract, so other than the playoff years either the SEC or the B1G will be in the bowl.

Quote:Payouts vary, do they not?

The only variance in the Orange Bowl payout is the years when Notre Dame participates, and even then there is no set figure other than the typical ACC vague "significant amount less".

Quote:What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

Nobody knows. The people around here who worship at the altar that is the ACC swear we get the full payment, but these are the same people who say an ACC TV network is a sure fire deal and that the Russell Athletic is going to increase their payout to match what the Chick-fil-a used to pay us without a shred of evidence.

(04-23-2014 08:58 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 07:41 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:55 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Will the ACC make changes so that UVA doesn't make more on conference football revenue than ACC and National Champs FSU?

That is an interesting question, How did the SEC and Auburn handle the expenses? Could you link some info on this?

I don't know or care how the SEC handles it. Nor does it matter. Giving UVA more money than FSU is bullsh*t. FSU spent $300,000-400,000 less on the BCS than Auburn ($3.2M vs $2.8M). So it's not about FSU being fiscally irresponsible like some folks on here were trying to claim a month or two ago.

If FSU was concerned about losing the upfront money that they did on the trip, then they were absolutely fiscally incompetent because they surely would have known how much they were going to get reimbursed by the ACC for expenses, which is apparently more than Auburn got from the SEC.

It's one thing to have reasonable expectations of travel reimbursement and even a logical argument why they should be more, it is quite another to expect a carte blanche. FSU administrators are aware of this, as are Auburn's, as well as the fact that it takes money to make money and that bowls are a losing proposition for almost everyone. It's why FSU administrators aren't the one's making an issue out of it.

Except that is a nonsensical notion that only teams who will rarely be playing for ACC titles and will almost certainly never be playing for national titles hold. It does not make ANY sense for UVA to have made more money from ACC football this past year than FSU. Period.

It is 100% reasonable to expect FSU to make at least as much as UVA. Nobody is saying to to let FSU spend $10M on national title expenses. But you saying FSU should've been "responsible" and told the band to stay home, or to ride buses to Pasadena, or stay in a Motel 8 is ridiculous.

But of course some Pitt and UL fans don't get it. Same old Big East fans thinking they know what's best and right for everyone in the ACC. It's unfortunate that basketball doesn't have over 100-man rosters, numerous coaches, staff and other support personnel, and 500-member bands that travel to Final Fours. It's also a shame that basketball only brings in reportedly 20% of the ACC tv contract. And it's a shame some butt hurt fans want to call FSU irresponsible for wanting an even share of net profits (something like an additional $400K) from the BCS title game we played in and won for the conference, bringing attention and revenue to the conference it hasn't seen since the last time FSU won a national title, all while spending less money than their national title counterparts.

So by all means, keep acting like you know what the f you're talking about.

Better yet, blow me.

Again, from an article dated yesterday 4/22/14:

http://www.universityherald.com/articles...-money.htm


excerpt:

Overall, of course, Florida State made and will continue to make much more than they lost from their appearance. Though the official numbers aren't available, the $500,000 loss doesn't take into account the amount of money the ACC paid the university for qualifying for and winning the sport's biggest game (undoubtedly, it was much more than 500k) nor does it take into account future revenues given FSU's current standing as the defending national championship (and forever standing as the 2013-14 national championships). The title will boost memorabilia sales and will likely continue to attract top recruits -- mostly athletic but maybe some academic, too.


"We're not losing money in the long run, because as a conference, we're making a lot more money and those dollars are filtered down to the institutions," Athletics director Stan Wilcox told ESPN. "The issue has to do with the amount of expense allotted to go participate and what your expenses end up being."

(04-23-2014 09:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate?

Other than the years the Orange Bowl host the playoffs the maximum number of years that Notre Dame can appear in the Orange Bowl is two during the length of the contract, so other than the playoff years either the SEC or the B1G will be in the bowl.

Quote:Payouts vary, do they not?

The only variance in the Orange Bowl payout is the years when Notre Dame participates, and even then there is no set figure other than the typical ACC vague "significant amount less".

Quote:What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

Nobody knows. The people around here who worship at the altar that is the ACC swear we get the full payment, but these are the same people who say an ACC TV network is a sure fire deal and that the Russell Athletic is going to increase their payout to match what the Chick-fil-a used to pay us without a shred of evidence.

So you are saying you don't know.

(04-23-2014 09:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate?

Other than the years the Orange Bowl host the playoffs the maximum number of years that Notre Dame can appear in the Orange Bowl is two during the length of the contract, so other than the playoff years either the SEC or the B1G will be in the bowl.

Quote:Payouts vary, do they not?

The only variance in the Orange Bowl payout is the years when Notre Dame participates, and even then there is no set figure other than the typical ACC vague "significant amount less".

Quote:What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

Nobody knows. The people around here who worship at the altar that is the ACC swear we get the full payment, but these are the same people who say an ACC TV network is a sure fire deal and that the Russell Athletic is going to increase their payout to match what the Chick-fil-a used to pay us without a shred of evidence.

So you are saying you don't know.

Not at all. I'm saying with the information at hand we are going to be behind the SEC and B1G in premier bowl money all but a possible two out of the next twelve years. It very well could be twelve out of twelve if Notre Dame doesn't qualify for the Orange Bowl.

Now it's your turn, since you seem so determined to prove me wrong. How are the 2014 ACC bowl agreements better than the 2013 ACC bowl agreements?

(04-23-2014 09:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate?

Other than the years the Orange Bowl host the playoffs the maximum number of years that Notre Dame can appear in the Orange Bowl is two during the length of the contract, so other than the playoff years either the SEC or the B1G will be in the bowl.

Quote:Payouts vary, do they not?

The only variance in the Orange Bowl payout is the years when Notre Dame participates, and even then there is no set figure other than the typical ACC vague "significant amount less".

Quote:What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

Nobody knows. The people around here who worship at the altar that is the ACC swear we get the full payment, but these are the same people who say an ACC TV network is a sure fire deal and that the Russell Athletic is going to increase their payout to match what the Chick-fil-a used to pay us without a shred of evidence.

So you are saying you don't know.

Not at all. I'm saying with the information at hand we are going to be behind the SEC and B1G in premier bowl money all but a possible two out of the next twelve years. It very well could be twelve out of twelve if Notre Dame doesn't qualify for the Orange Bowl.

Now it's your turn, since you seem so determined to prove me wrong. How are the 2014 ACC bowl agreements better than the 2013 ACC bowl agreements?

You see, with the information at hand, you can't say we will be behind the B1G or SEC in TOTAL Bowl money. Give me your hypothetical Bowl match-ups and payouts for 2014 including the ACC share for each. If we have a repeat of 2013, how much Bowl $ does the ACC bring in?

keep this in mind:


http://www.bcinterruption.com/2013/5/14/...gator-bowl

(04-23-2014 08:46 PM)Villecard Wrote:  I mentioned the SEC deal, but he said that it could be other conferences within the power 5.

No to B1G for obvious reasons.
No to SEC for my aforementioned reasons in another thread.
I'd prefer the Pac-12.

(04-23-2014 10:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 09:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-23-2014 06:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What happens if a B1G or SEC team doesn't participate? How many years can they participate?

Other than the years the Orange Bowl host the playoffs the maximum number of years that Notre Dame can appear in the Orange Bowl is two during the length of the contract, so other than the playoff years either the SEC or the B1G will be in the bowl.

Quote:Payouts vary, do they not?

The only variance in the Orange Bowl payout is the years when Notre Dame participates, and even then there is no set figure other than the typical ACC vague "significant amount less".

Quote:What if the Orange is part of the four team playoff? Who get the money and how much?

Nobody knows. The people around here who worship at the altar that is the ACC swear we get the full payment, but these are the same people who say an ACC TV network is a sure fire deal and that the Russell Athletic is going to increase their payout to match what the Chick-fil-a used to pay us without a shred of evidence.

So you are saying you don't know.

Not at all. I'm saying with the information at hand we are going to be behind the SEC and B1G in premier bowl money all but a possible two out of the next twelve years. It very well could be twelve out of twelve if Notre Dame doesn't qualify for the Orange Bowl.

Now it's your turn, since you seem so determined to prove me wrong. How are the 2014 ACC bowl agreements better than the 2013 ACC bowl agreements?

You see, with the information at hand, you can't say we will be behind the B1G or SEC in TOTAL Bowl money.

Yes I can.

The SEC gets either a share of the Sugar Bowl or an assured access bowl if the Sugar is in the playoff rotation.

The B1G gets either a share of the Rose Bowl or an assured access bowl if the Rose is in the playoff rotation.

One of the two is going to get an Orange Bowl bid, except for a maximum of two years, over the term of the contract.

The Capital One Bowl paid out $4.5 million last year. Unless the B1G is in the Orange both conferences get that bowl and the payout.

The rest may or may not be a wash, but the facts are I don't need to go any further. Even in the years the ACC gets the Cap One bid we are behind both because of the . In the years we don't we are even further behind both. Only someone incredibly stupid would need this broken down for them in such a manner. Two conferences are assured of possible spots in the highest paying bowls, the SEC and the B1G.

So, as I said earlier....YOU prove me wrong. I'm done answering your questions, you answer mine.