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# of football games for a season ramblings...
So,

if conferences go to 9 game conference schedules

AND

some conferences go to forcing a 1P5 OOC game

you are at 10 games covered.

That leaves you 2 to do with what you want to. *I'd say the P5 game of choice would be more "agenda based" than normal OOC scheduling.


A few thoughts come to mind...

More games in a season? 13? 14?

What will happen with some of these guys taking FCS opponents. I saw someone on here saying they shouldn't count towards bowl eligibility or RPI sort of like playing DIIs in basketball. If they somehow let them then I think this road goes toward FCS teams wanting to move up to 1a, and thus being used solely for their 1a scheduling requirements for the transition period.
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RE: # of football games for a season ramblings...
(05-07-2014 09:22 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  So,

if conferences go to 9 game conference schedules

AND

some conferences go to forcing a 1P5 OOC game

you are at 10 games covered.

That leaves you 2 to do with what you want to. *I'd say the P5 game of choice would be more "agenda based" than normal OOC scheduling.


A few thoughts come to mind...

More games in a season? 13? 14?

What will happen with some of these guys taking FCS opponents. I saw someone on here saying they shouldn't count towards bowl eligibility or RPI sort of like playing DIIs in basketball. If they somehow let them then I think this road goes toward FCS teams wanting to move up to 1a, and thus being used solely for their 1a scheduling requirements for the transition period.

13 game season solves a lot of problems.
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(05-07-2014 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  13 game season solves a lot of problems.

Agreed, you are either a winner or a loser in that scenario in the regular season. That said, if you made it to your Conference Championship game @ 7-6 you could be 7-7/.500 and lose your bowl and be 7-8.
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RE: # of football games for a season ramblings...
I think the answer is 12 regular season games. 6 home and 6 not at home.

but to throw teams a bone, they also get 1 extra game that is an exhibition game. Does not count in the standings or the stats. That's the game where P5 teams can still schedule another home game against inferior FCS schools who get their big pay out.
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(05-07-2014 10:55 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(05-07-2014 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  13 game season solves a lot of problems.

Agreed, you are either a winner or a loser in that scenario in the regular season. That said, if you made it to your Conference Championship game @ 7-6 you could be 7-7/.500 and lose your bowl and be 7-8.

Well, if they would do away with silly divisions and just go with basketball-style scheduling for football then the odds of ever getting a 7-6 team in the CG would be slim to none.
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(05-08-2014 03:07 AM)goofus Wrote:  I think the answer is 12 regular season games. 6 home and 6 not at home.

but to throw teams a bone, they also get 1 extra game that is an exhibition game. Does not count in the standings or the stats. That's the game where P5 teams can still schedule another home game against inferior FCS schools who get their big pay out.

My rule of thumb is that if the SEC and Big Ten won't agree to it, then it's DOA. The conferences want MORE autonomy as opposed to less - they will absolutely never agree to a mandate regarding road games in the non-conference schedule. Until the P5 are actually punished financially for guarantee games (meaning the point where the payout for the extra home game isn't worth the lower ticket sales), they're not changing that at all (and that's going to be driven by the marketplace as opposed to NCAA regulations).
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(05-07-2014 10:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-07-2014 09:22 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  So,

if conferences go to 9 game conference schedules

AND

some conferences go to forcing a 1P5 OOC game

you are at 10 games covered.

That leaves you 2 to do with what you want to. *I'd say the P5 game of choice would be more "agenda based" than normal OOC scheduling.


A few thoughts come to mind...

More games in a season? 13? 14?

What will happen with some of these guys taking FCS opponents. I saw someone on here saying they shouldn't count towards bowl eligibility or RPI sort of like playing DIIs in basketball. If they somehow let them then I think this road goes toward FCS teams wanting to move up to 1a, and thus being used solely for their 1a scheduling requirements for the transition period.

13 game season solves a lot of problems.

Indeed it does. It likely gets the season started a couple of weeks into August, when fans are starved for something besides golf to watch. And once we expand to an 8 team playoff, the champion will have played 17 games, which will help acclimate them to the longer NFL season. What's not to like?
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RE: # of football games for a season ramblings...
(05-08-2014 09:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-08-2014 03:07 AM)goofus Wrote:  I think the answer is 12 regular season games. 6 home and 6 not at home.

but to throw teams a bone, they also get 1 extra game that is an exhibition game. Does not count in the standings or the stats. That's the game where P5 teams can still schedule another home game against inferior FCS schools who get their big pay out.

My rule of thumb is that if the SEC and Big Ten won't agree to it, then it's DOA. The conferences want MORE autonomy as opposed to less - they will absolutely never agree to a mandate regarding road games in the non-conference schedule. Until the P5 are actually punished financially for guarantee games (meaning the point where the payout for the extra home game isn't worth the lower ticket sales), they're not changing that at all (and that's going to be driven by the marketplace as opposed to NCAA regulations).

I agree that goofus proposes the ideal scenario, but I also agree it will never happen because of what Frank said.

So, perhaps we could at least get the FBS v FCS games moved to late August as a 13 game (strictly exhibition), even if OOC home vs road limitations are never put into place.
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RE: # of football games for a season ramblings...
Side note; 13 games is not unprecedented. I used to work NC State football games, and back in '02 the Wolfpack played 13 games not counting their bowl game. Don't know how they did that because IIRC back in '02 a lot of schools were still playing 11 game schedules, but it happened.
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RE: # of football games for a season ramblings...
NC State 2002 schedule:

1 08-24-2002 New Mexico
2 08-31-2002 East Tennessee St.
3 09-07-2002 @ Navy
4 09-14-2002 Wake Forest
5 09-21-2002 @ Texas Tech
6 09-28-2002 UMass
7 10-12-2002 @ North Carolina
8 10-19-2002 Duke
9 10-24-2002 @ Clemson
10 11-02-2002 Georgia Tech
11 11-09-2002 @ Maryland
12 11-16-2002 @ Virginia
13 11-23-2002 Florida St.

14 01-01-2003 Gator Bowl vs Notre Dame

I believe the first game VS New Mexico was designated as some sort of pre-season bowl.
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(05-08-2014 10:33 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I believe the first game VS New Mexico was designated as some sort of pre-season bowl.
That was a "BCA Classic".

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