(05-20-2014 12:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:19 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Bombs Away here. Kansas and UConn to the B1G. WVU and Cincinnati to the ACC. Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC. Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, Iowa St , all to the PAC . Everyone at 16 in the new P4 + ND. Not likely but it could happen . Unfortunately for Baylor and TCU the PAC is Anti Religion based schools ala BYU. Maybe They wind up in the MWC or AAC. It's that slow period. LOL

WVU is never going to the ACC....never.

And everyone said that about Us

Not happening - too much WVU animosity in these parts.

If so, there's a pattern here:

America's Richest States:
1) Maryland
2) New Jersey
3) Alaska
4) Connecticut

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013...-states/2/

I don't think you can say never anymore with texas and texas A&M splitting up and than not even playing. I like the ACC jumping to 18 with 3 pods of 6 with WVU, UConn and Cincy.

A: BC, UConn, CUse, ND, PItt, WVU
B: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NCstate, Wake
C: Cincy, Lville, Gtech, Clem, FSU, Miami

I would basically view it as 3 mini conferences under the acc banner. Hoops play a 10-3-3 format with football going 5-2-2 with nd only playing its 5 pod members than bring in navy with a schedule alliance to play the 4 games nd skips against the other 2 pods. The 2 highest rated teams at the end of the year make the acc title game. I would also allow ND to be eligible for the title game if they are ranked as such at the end of the season.

(05-20-2014 12:42 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't think you can say never anymore with texas and texas A&M splitting up and than not even playing. I like the ACC jumping to 18 with 3 pods of 6 with WVU, UConn and Cincy. I mean if you look outside the box, why count non-pod games as part of the formula for getting into the champ game? Thus, ND playing just 5 games against pod members could be part of the ACC tittle game.

A: BC, UConn, CUse, ND, PItt, WVU
B: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NCstate, Wake
C: Cincy, Lville, Gtech, Clem, FSU, Miami

The next move is to get a 2 team playoff of the 3 pod winners.

Like it, just don't see it happening. Know the attitude of those in the Triangle toward WV as a whole; have lived near it for 15 years now.

(05-20-2014 12:39 PM)Hitch Wrote:  If so, there's a pattern here:

America's Richest States:
1) Maryland
2) New Jersey
3) Alaska
4) Connecticut

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013...-states/2/

So we can expect the University of Alaska Anchorage to get a B1G invite any day now?

(05-20-2014 12:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:42 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't think you can say never anymore with texas and texas A&M splitting up and than not even playing. I like the ACC jumping to 18 with 3 pods of 6 with WVU, UConn and Cincy. I mean if you look outside the box, why count non-pod games as part of the formula for getting into the champ game? Thus, ND playing just 5 games against pod members could be part of the ACC tittle game.

A: BC, UConn, CUse, ND, PItt, WVU
B: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NCstate, Wake
C: Cincy, Lville, Gtech, Clem, FSU, Miami

The next move is to get a 2 team playoff of the 3 pod winners.

Like it, just don't see it happening. Know the attitude of those in the Triangle toward WV as a whole; have lived near it for 15 years now.

I really believe that WV will one day, be apart of the ACC. It just makes too much sense for the Acc. I also believe that if Louisville had received an invite to the Big 12 over WV, that WV would now occupy Louisvilles spot in the ACC.

Very unlikely this actually happens, but playing the what-if game:

If UConn were to leave for the B1G, I'd have to think ESPN would be pretty upset. They would still be committed to give a ton of coverage to a conference that just lost one of its biggest draws (especially in basketball, where the AAC has shown to be quite valuable in ratings). Would ESPN step in and try and get another conference (ACC?) to grab another AAC member, thereby triggering the clause in the contract allowing it to be re-negotiated down? You'd think it would be the ACC to keep that school under the ESPN banner. The ACC may not be interested in expanding, but if ESPN went to them and gave them incentive, I'm betting they'd listen. ESPN might figure it could save more money on the AAC contract than they'd pay the ACC (as well as reducing the timeslots the AAC takes up currently as forced by the contract).

It's an interesting and scary thought for the AAC. I would only have to pray that in this strange scenario that UC was the one ESPN stepped to bat for inclusion into another conference. The ACC would take one more with the new CCG rules, possibly enacting a pod system. This would still leave a slot for ND (which won't join, but that's a mental hurdle for the ACC currently).

(05-20-2014 12:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:19 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Bombs Away here. Kansas and UConn to the B1G. WVU and Cincinnati to the ACC. Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC. Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, Iowa St , all to the PAC . Everyone at 16 in the new P4 + ND. Not likely but it could happen . Unfortunately for Baylor and TCU the PAC is Anti Religion based schools ala BYU. Maybe They wind up in the MWC or AAC. It's that slow period. LOL

WVU is never going to the ACC....never.

And everyone said that about Us

Not me. Never figured out why B12 didn't pull the trigger though.

(05-20-2014 01:06 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Very unlikely this actually happens, but playing the what-if game:

If UConn were to leave for the B1G, I'd have to think ESPN would be pretty upset. They would still be committed to give a ton of coverage to a conference that just lost one of its biggest draws (especially in basketball, where the AAC has shown to be quite valuable in ratings). Would ESPN step in and try and get another conference (ACC?) to grab another AAC member, thereby triggering the clause in the contract allowing it to be re-negotiated down? You'd think it would be the ACC to keep that school under the ESPN banner. The ACC may not be interested in expanding, but if ESPN went to them and gave them incentive, I'm betting they'd listen. ESPN might figure it could save more money on the AAC contract than they'd pay the ACC (as well as reducing the timeslots the AAC takes up currently as forced by the contract).

It's an interesting and scary thought for the AAC. I would only have to pray that in this strange scenario that UC was the one ESPN stepped to bat for inclusion into another conference. The ACC would take one more with the new CCG rules, possibly enacting a pod system. This would still leave a slot for ND (which won't join, but that's a mental hurdle for the ACC currently).

UCONN is one of the schools in that Group A clause, where if something happens with a school in that group, the contract can go void and ESPN can re-negotiate.

yeah, i would think cincy to the acc would happen via espn orders. Thus, the aac might as well be renamed the cusa.

(05-20-2014 12:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:47 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 12:42 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I don't think you can say never anymore with texas and texas A&M splitting up and than not even playing. I like the ACC jumping to 18 with 3 pods of 6 with WVU, UConn and Cincy. I mean if you look outside the box, why count non-pod games as part of the formula for getting into the champ game? Thus, ND playing just 5 games against pod members could be part of the ACC tittle game.

A: BC, UConn, CUse, ND, PItt, WVU
B: UVA, Vtech, UNC, Duke, NCstate, Wake
C: Cincy, Lville, Gtech, Clem, FSU, Miami

The next move is to get a 2 team playoff of the 3 pod winners.

Like it, just don't see it happening. Know the attitude of those in the Triangle toward WV as a whole; have lived near it for 15 years now.

I really believe that WV will one day, be apart of the ACC. It just makes too much sense for the Acc. I also believe that if Louisville had received an invite to the Big 12 over WV, that WV would now occupy Louisvilles spot in the ACC.

Maybe in its current make up, but I am not so sure; there might be allies in the league now. In its previous make-up, NC St., UNC and UVA were not going to vote them in. Similar reasons they did not want VT but VT had a state government to help them out.

WVU did what it had to do to get in the Big 12 with the threat looming that it would be left behind completely. Luck knew the votes were not there in the prior make up of the ACC to get in and SEC went for a bigger market in MO.

Seems to me WVU is locked in the Big 12 pretty tightly for a while now anyway.

(05-20-2014 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  How much money would UConn have to leave on the AAC table if they were to leave now? If I'm not mistaken, they are in line to get a large chunk of the NCAAT money forfeited by the BE schools that left earlier.

That wouldn't keep them from wanting to go to the B1G, of course. But it would enrich the schools left behind in the AAC. Leaving for a less lucrative gig - the Big 12, for example - might give them more pause.

UConn would "pause" for approximately 1/2 of a nanosecond before saying yes to any P5 invitation.

(05-20-2014 10:58 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 08:25 AM)BE4evah Wrote:  Scott Gray has been covering Connecticut sports for 30 years.

Well, this morning he just dropped a bombshell. And it includes a timeframe.

Uconn to the Big Ten.
WITHIN 30 days.

This was made on UConn's flagship radio station, WTIC 1080 at around 6:00 am this morning.


http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/personality/scott-gray/

Don't shoot the messenger.

...and let the silly-summer-expansion-rumor-mill season begin.

With all due respect, that's exactly what this forum is for.

(05-20-2014 01:10 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:06 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Very unlikely this actually happens, but playing the what-if game:

If UConn were to leave for the B1G, I'd have to think ESPN would be pretty upset. They would still be committed to give a ton of coverage to a conference that just lost one of its biggest draws (especially in basketball, where the AAC has shown to be quite valuable in ratings). Would ESPN step in and try and get another conference (ACC?) to grab another AAC member, thereby triggering the clause in the contract allowing it to be re-negotiated down? You'd think it would be the ACC to keep that school under the ESPN banner. The ACC may not be interested in expanding, but if ESPN went to them and gave them incentive, I'm betting they'd listen. ESPN might figure it could save more money on the AAC contract than they'd pay the ACC (as well as reducing the timeslots the AAC takes up currently as forced by the contract).

It's an interesting and scary thought for the AAC. I would only have to pray that in this strange scenario that UC was the one ESPN stepped to bat for inclusion into another conference. The ACC would take one more with the new CCG rules, possibly enacting a pod system. This would still leave a slot for ND (which won't join, but that's a mental hurdle for the ACC currently).

UCONN is one of the schools in that Group A clause, where if something happens with a school in that group, the contract can go void and ESPN can re-negotiate.

I can't seem to find the article with the terms, but I believe 2 schools have to leave for that clause to kick in. It could either be 1 school from A and 1 school from B, or 2 schools from A.

(05-20-2014 01:06 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Very unlikely this actually happens, but playing the what-if game:

If UConn were to leave for the B1G, I'd have to think ESPN would be pretty upset. They would still be committed to give a ton of coverage to a conference that just lost one of its biggest draws (especially in basketball, where the AAC has shown to be quite valuable in ratings).

ESPN would not be upset. They are paying next to nothing for all those ESPNu and ESPNnews AAC games. Wouldn't bother them at all which is why the contract doesn't permit renegotiation for that.

(05-20-2014 01:19 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:10 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:06 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Very unlikely this actually happens, but playing the what-if game:

If UConn were to leave for the B1G, I'd have to think ESPN would be pretty upset. They would still be committed to give a ton of coverage to a conference that just lost one of its biggest draws (especially in basketball, where the AAC has shown to be quite valuable in ratings). Would ESPN step in and try and get another conference (ACC?) to grab another AAC member, thereby triggering the clause in the contract allowing it to be re-negotiated down? You'd think it would be the ACC to keep that school under the ESPN banner. The ACC may not be interested in expanding, but if ESPN went to them and gave them incentive, I'm betting they'd listen. ESPN might figure it could save more money on the AAC contract than they'd pay the ACC (as well as reducing the timeslots the AAC takes up currently as forced by the contract).

It's an interesting and scary thought for the AAC. I would only have to pray that in this strange scenario that UC was the one ESPN stepped to bat for inclusion into another conference. The ACC would take one more with the new CCG rules, possibly enacting a pod system. This would still leave a slot for ND (which won't join, but that's a mental hurdle for the ACC currently).

UCONN is one of the schools in that Group A clause, where if something happens with a school in that group, the contract can go void and ESPN can re-negotiate.

I can't seem to find the article with the terms, but I believe 2 schools have to leave for that clause to kick in. It could either be 1 school from A and 1 school from B, or 2 schools from A.

Ah okay. I looked but couldn't find it either.

(05-20-2014 01:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 10:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  How much money would UConn have to leave on the AAC table if they were to leave now? If I'm not mistaken, they are in line to get a large chunk of the NCAAT money forfeited by the BE schools that left earlier.

That wouldn't keep them from wanting to go to the B1G, of course. But it would enrich the schools left behind in the AAC. Leaving for a less lucrative gig - the Big 12, for example - might give them more pause.

UConn would "pause" for approximately 1/2 of a nanosecond before saying yes to any P5 invitation.

I agree, although I also think about the money component for schools with those kind of money situations. In UConn's case, how much of that "favored share" are they leaving behind with the AAC? Does Rutgers get something back? Money won't get in the way of that endeavor, but it will be felt somewhere if it starts to become significant.

(05-20-2014 01:10 PM)bluesox Wrote:  yeah, i would think cincy to the acc would happen via espn orders. Thus, the aac might as well be renamed the cusa.

To keep the ACC whole, ESPN would have to add $20 million a year more or less to the ACC contract to move Cincy to the ACC. That's how much they are now paying for the entire AAC. Where's their incentive to do that? I would expect that a more rational response would be to just reduce the annual payout to the AAC for the loss of UConn inventory.

(05-20-2014 12:17 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Bombs Away here. Kansas and UConn to the B1G. WVU and Cincinnati to the ACC. Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC. Oklahoma St, Kansas St, Texas Tech, Iowa St , all to the PAC . Everyone at 16 in the new P4 + ND. Not likely but it could happen . Unfortunately for Baylor and TCU the PAC is Anti Religion based schools ala BYU. Maybe They wind up in the MWC or AAC. It's that slow period. LOL

The opposite would happen: Baylor and TCU would/could raid the AAC, CUSA, SBC, and maybe add a few MWC schools. As long as both schools retain the B12 name, most G5 schools would join them in the new B12. I know for a fact that every AAC member other than Navy would join the new B12. Why? The move would be perceived as a step up for these schools because of the prestige the B12 name has—which explains why boarding a sinking Big East ship was worth the risk to these very ambitious schools....

(05-20-2014 01:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 01:10 PM)bluesox Wrote:  yeah, i would think cincy to the acc would happen via espn orders. Thus, the aac might as well be renamed the cusa.

To keep the ACC whole, ESPN would have to add $20 million a year more or less to the ACC contract to move Cincy to the ACC. That's how much they are now paying for the entire AAC. Where's their incentive to do that? I would expect that a more rational response would be to just reduce the annual payout to the AAC for the loss of UConn inventory.

Under the current contract, they can't reduce the payout to the AAC with just the loss of one school.

And there are more incentives than just paying the ACC more. What if ESPN went to the ACC and said 'Hey guys, we have been thinking a little bit more about this ACC network...'

I'm just playing speculation here because it's fun, and there really isn't a whole lot else to talk about. It's an interesting, albeir farfetched scenario.