(06-25-2015 02:11 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

Why? You like just as it is. It benefits you.

Dems own it with all of its warts.

How exactly do you think it directly benefits me?

A 38 page thread started and continued by YOU!! Or, are you convieiently ignoring that one after this morning?

So I'll ask you too. How do you think I directly benefit from the ACA?

I already answered you. I see reading comprehension is NOT your friend.

(06-25-2015 02:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:11 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Why? You like just as it is. It benefits you.

Dems own it with all of its warts.

How exactly do you think it directly benefits me?

A 38 page thread started and continued by YOU!! Or, are you convieiently ignoring that one after this morning?

So I'll ask you too. How do you think I directly benefit from the ACA?

I already answered you. I see reading comprehension is NOT your friend.

So I'm slow. Spell it out for me.

(06-25-2015 02:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

My opposition has been consistent. The following the health care plans currently administered by the Federal government (off the top of my head):

ACA
Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Tricare
Congressional Health Plan

All I have asked is that if the US going to commit to expanding health care that the plan implemented reduce the current redundancy and and increase reimbursements.

Which programs do you think should be merged?

(ACA, Medicare, Medicaid) and (VA, Tricare and CHP)

(06-25-2015 02:17 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

My opposition has been consistent. The following the health care plans currently administered by the Federal government (off the top of my head):

ACA
Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Tricare
Congressional Health Plan

All I have asked is that if the US going to commit to expanding health care that the plan implemented reduce the current redundancy and and increase reimbursements.

Which programs do you think should be merged?

(ACA, Medicare, Medicaid) and (VA, Tricare and CHP)

So you would shut out the private insurance companies?

(06-25-2015 02:03 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:53 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

Translation: BRING ON THE DEATH SPIRAL, BABY!!!!!!!

(06-25-2015 12:29 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

Oh man, the hilarity!

Excuse me for a moment while I hold my sides at your hilarity.

I'm amused at your attempt at.....whatever it is you're trying to attempt.

I'll explain it: I'm laughing at your ridiculous assertion that this somehow represents some sort of death spiral.

(06-25-2015 02:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

Why? You like just as it is. It benefits you.

Dems own it with all of its warts.

How exactly do you think it directly benefits me?

A 38 page thread started and continued by YOU!! Or, are you convieiently ignoring that one after this morning?

That's hilarious and indicative of many objectors to the ACA on size alone. For me, this thread is 8 pages long because I changed my settings to see 50 posts per page.

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

My opposition has been consistent. The following the health care plans currently administered by the Federal government (off the top of my head):

ACA
Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Tricare
Congressional Health Plan

All I have asked is that if the US going to commit to expanding health care that the plan implemented reduce the current redundancy and and increase reimbursements.

And most of us likely agree with you...but the problem is that congress could NEVER agree to do anything of the sort due to their partisanship.

(06-25-2015 02:21 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:17 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:09 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

My opposition has been consistent. The following the health care plans currently administered by the Federal government (off the top of my head):

ACA
Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Tricare
Congressional Health Plan

All I have asked is that if the US going to commit to expanding health care that the plan implemented reduce the current redundancy and and increase reimbursements.

Which programs do you think should be merged?

(ACA, Medicare, Medicaid) and (VA, Tricare and CHP)

So you would shut out the private insurance companies?

No I wouldn't, I just want them to be adders on top of base plans. Essentially, tax receipts pay for Bronze level coverage while Silver and Gold are options that Private Insurance would cover.

(06-25-2015 03:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:58 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

Why? You like just as it is. It benefits you.

Dems own it with all of its warts.

How exactly do you think it directly benefits me?

A 38 page thread started and continued by YOU!! Or, are you convieiently ignoring that one after this morning?

That's hilarious and indicative of many objectors to the ACA on size alone. For me, this thread is 8 pages long because I changed my settings to see 50 posts per page.

Yea, and I didn't even start this one. I think he might be talking about the ACA signups thread I started. For some reason a lot of people think that the only way a person can support something is if they directly benefit from it. The "common good" never seems to cross their mind.

My wife might have gone over the lifetime maximum last year. I haven't crunched the numbers but she has had a huge amount of medical bills over the years. That is about the only major direct benefit I've gotten from it. I'm on a group plan from my employer and my wife is on a retiree benefit group plan.

UofM and Defcon are just very angry people.

(06-25-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 02:05 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 01:52 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Everybody buying on the individual market can breath a sign of relief because a new day has dawned. Of course many of them don't realize or refuse to acknowledge that they just dodged a financial bullet many would never be able to handle.

It is time for the opponents of the ACA to accept reality and begin working to make the existing law better.

My opposition has been consistent. The following the health care plans currently administered by the Federal government (off the top of my head):

ACA
Medicare
Medicaid
VA
Tricare
Congressional Health Plan

All I have asked is that if the US going to commit to expanding health care that the plan implemented reduce the current redundancy and and increase reimbursements.

And most of us likely agree with you...but the problem is that congress could NEVER agree to do anything of the sort due to their partisanship.

You're right with regard to the bolded. As for your latter statement, somehow ACA got through. As I've told Dawgitall (and I think you as well) I'd have been fine with an increase in withholdings of both Medicaid and Medicare for expanded coverage, as long as reimbursements were increased as well.

It just seems the main benefit of ACA is it's attempt the leverage HMO's
and their PCP network. But money directed to those organizations is just going to end up as profit and won't address the cost of expansion.

ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

(06-25-2015 03:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

The hilariously ironic part of this ruling, is that they ruled this way to avoid the death spiral. Yet, because of this ruling Obamacare is going to go into a death spiral. You can't make this sh*t up!

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 03:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

because of this ruling Obamacare is going to go into a death spiral.

How so?

Let's see if you're actually capable of rational discussion.

(06-25-2015 05:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 03:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

because of this ruling Obamacare is going to go into a death spiral.

How so?

Let's see if you're actually capable of rational discussion.

The next time you engage in an actual rational discussion will be the first time. I'm not going to play your game of providing you with facts to support my claim, only for you to deem my source as "not good enough", or whatever phrase you use to dismiss the other side

(06-25-2015 05:33 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 03:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

because of this ruling Obamacare is going to go into a death spiral.

How so?

Let's see if you're actually capable of rational discussion.

The next time you engage in an actual rational discussion will be the first time. I'm not going to play your game of providing you with facts to support my claim, only for you to deem my source as "not good enough", or whatever phrase you use to dismiss the other side

I guess not. LMFAO

(06-25-2015 05:33 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 05:09 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 03:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  ObamaCare is a total turd, but I agree with this ruling.

The first ruling....I didn't agree with. It was absurd.

because of this ruling Obamacare is going to go into a death spiral.

How so?

Let's see if you're actually capable of rational discussion.

The next time you engage in an actual rational discussion will be the first time. I'm not going to play your game of providing you with facts to support my claim, only for you to deem my source as "not good enough", or whatever phrase you use to dismiss the other side

So you are going to take your ball and go home. Good strategy.

I think he went back into the far right insulated bubble.

And that's why I have him on ignore. I thought I'd give him another chance. I won't make that mistake again.

And I'm so sorry that he just doesn't happen to like the fact that I can actually cite facts and provide links. I guess to him that is not engaging in rational discussion just because it doesn't align with his beliefs.

But DC1...you made the claim that the ACA is going into a death spiral. If you can't provide at least one example of why, your words mean nothing. Please tell me you can understand how you look here?