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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
My understanding is the first three years everyone was to play ND. After that the AD's wanted flexibility. A few wanted home and home series, for example a game is both in 2016 and 2017. Others wanted flexibility Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, UofL don't want to play the Irish away the same years they play their SEC rival away, throw in Pitt/PSU annually there was some reasons for flexibility in the scheduling. NO Notre Dame is not telling the ACC who or when, they give input just like the other 14 schools but it is the ACC and the 14 football schools that decide who and when and where.
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(07-31-2014 01:18 PM)Schema Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:16 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  From what I have learned, Clemson will play at Notre Dame in 2020 and 2022 and Notre Dame will visit Death Valley again in 2023.

I wonder if the 2020 or 2022 game would become a Shamrock Series game played somewhere like Charlotte.


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(07-31-2014 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:01 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:16 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  From what I have learned, Clemson will play at Notre Dame in 2020 and 2022 and Notre Dame will visit Death Valley again in 2023.

That means the Tigers will play Notre Dame three times in four years starting in 2020.

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Somebody tell Kaplony.

We'll see if indeed it does happen. In 2012 it was every school every three years and five guaranteed games a year.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/articl...t-football

Quote:Notre Dame got everything it wanted and the Atlantic Coast Conference got Notre Dame. The school announced Wednesday that it would join the ACC in all the conference's sports except football, though it will play five games annually against league programs and have access to its non-BCS bowl tie-ins.


Quote:Notre Dame will likely be here far more often in the coming years; the Irish will play each ACC member at least once every three seasons. The move will alleviate some of the challenges for a football independent of scheduling games and finding bowl openings with conference tie-ins gobbling up spots.

and we saw how far that got.

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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
(07-31-2014 02:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:30 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:01 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:16 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  From what I have learned, Clemson will play at Notre Dame in 2020 and 2022 and Notre Dame will visit Death Valley again in 2023.

That means the Tigers will play Notre Dame three times in four years starting in 2020.

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Somebody tell Kaplony.

We'll see if indeed it does happen. In 2012 it was every school every three years and five guaranteed games a year.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/articl...t-football

Quote:Notre Dame got everything it wanted and the Atlantic Coast Conference got Notre Dame. The school announced Wednesday that it would join the ACC in all the conference's sports except football, though it will play five games annually against league programs and have access to its non-BCS bowl tie-ins.


Quote:Notre Dame will likely be here far more often in the coming years; the Irish will play each ACC member at least once every three seasons. The move will alleviate some of the challenges for a football independent of scheduling games and finding bowl openings with conference tie-ins gobbling up spots.

and we saw how far that got.

Rule #1 in college athletics: Don't trust the Irish


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id expect whenever Syracuse is playing Notre Dame again they will be going to southbend 2018 would make sense since we have no games scheduled for that year
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(07-30-2014 11:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I would imagine they are trying to get some combination of Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt and BC matched up with ND in the 4 who play them 5 times. I mention these 4 as they are historically rivals for ND. (Well Georgia Tech truly historically and BC in recent decades, but you all know where I'm coming from here.) It seems Syracuse is the 4th team for that based on getting them twice in the first 3 year rotation.

The only question is what happens when the 12 years are up. Is ND off the hook from giving the ACC a guaranteed number of games per year? Or is it just time for renegotiation where ND might try and go to 4 games and the ACC might want 6 to allow ND to continue being a member?

Thought Cuse played them early because they had a contract already. Not sure if that means they won't play ND much at the end of the 12 years though.
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(07-30-2014 10:42 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I would think we play them five years instead of the four they suggest for other ACC teams.

I'd think the ACC would want to schedule the best matchups for those 5th games, assuming the agreement hasn't been extended or expanded by then.

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(07-31-2014 11:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 06:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:12 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I would imagine they are trying to get some combination of Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt and BC matched up with ND in the 4 who play them 5 times. I mention these 4 as they are historically rivals for ND. (Well Georgia Tech truly historically and BC in recent decades, but you all know where I'm coming from here.) It seems Syracuse is the 4th team for that based on getting them twice in the first 3 year rotation.

The only question is what happens when the 12 years are up. Is ND off the hook from giving the ACC a guaranteed number of games per year? Or is it just time for renegotiation where ND might try and go to 4 games and the ACC might want 6 to allow ND to continue being a member?

As long as they are a member of the ACC, they are committed to at least 5 football games a year. If they want four they can quit and pay the exit fee and buy out the GOR. I think they will be playing more than five a year before the 12 years is up.

I don't, not even a little bit.

Why the hell would ND want to do that?

I suspect the cost of having access to the ACC's bowl line-up (not to mention the other sports) may go up...


I don't. I think the status quo was agreed to by all parties and will remain that way indefinitely.

If the ACC pulls a "bait and switch", then that may make a good case for litigation. No ND exit fee or GOR? We shall see.

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RE: ND/ACC finalizing future games
For over a year, it's been talked that ND would like to see Pitt more often than what the current arrangement theoretically allows. 5 ACC games, plus USC, Stanford, Navy = 8 games for ND. It's not out of the realm of possibility that something is worked out but it may be a Pitt/ND thing instead of an ACC thing. Over 12 years, ND should see Pitt 4 times, I could see a home and home added between the two so that ND sees Pitt, 6 times in 12 years, but it depends on what ND wants to do.

I can also easily see the arrangement fluctuate as it already has, between 4, 5, and 6 games annually.
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(07-31-2014 05:59 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  For over a year, it's been talked that ND would like to see Pitt more often than what the current arrangement theoretically allows. 5 ACC games, plus USC, Stanford, Navy = 8 games for ND. It's not out of the realm of possibility that something is worked out but it may be a Pitt/ND thing instead of an ACC thing. Over 12 years, ND should see Pitt 4 times, I could see a home and home added between the two so that ND sees Pitt, 6 times in 12 years, but it depends on what ND wants to do.

Who besides you or someone else on cr board is saying we want to play them more?
With respect to Pitt I will miss the game but I don't see us wanting to add them as a 6th game
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(07-31-2014 06:02 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 05:59 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  For over a year, it's been talked that ND would like to see Pitt more often than what the current arrangement theoretically allows. 5 ACC games, plus USC, Stanford, Navy = 8 games for ND. It's not out of the realm of possibility that something is worked out but it may be a Pitt/ND thing instead of an ACC thing. Over 12 years, ND should see Pitt 4 times, I could see a home and home added between the two so that ND sees Pitt, 6 times in 12 years, but it depends on what ND wants to do.

Who besides you or someone else on cr board is saying we want to play them more?
With respect to Pitt I will miss the game but I don't see us wanting to add them as a 6 th game



Me neither. I want to see Pitt more, but not at the expense of a sixth ACC game.
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The sixth ACC game for ND is not going to happen. It is wishful thinking by ACC fans. So is the notion that they will soon become a full member. Unless being an independent somehow hurts the Irish's playoff chances – which I do not foresee – I cannot imagine any scenario in which Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member.

I have learned to never say never but that is about as close as it gets in my book.
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As a PITT fan, we understand the deal. We know where we fit into things. Also, we understand exactly what we have to give up to make this whole deal work. We just ask that everyone else recognizes that we have sacrificed more than anyone else to make this arrangement work. Therefore, down the road when other scheduling considerations pop up (pods, permanent rivals, etc.), it is our expectation that the next set of sacrifices come from someone else, which we think is more than fair. That is how true partnerships work. It can't be, "We're going to stick you wherever we want to stick you and you are going to STFU and take it, you whining, good-for-nothing Yankee." That shitt's not going to fly.
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(07-31-2014 09:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As a PITT fan, we understand the deal. We know where we fit into things. Also, we understand exactly what we have to give up to make this whole deal work. We just ask that everyone else recognizes that we have sacrificed more than anyone else to make this arrangement work. Therefore, down the road when other scheduling considerations pop up (pods, permanent rivals, etc.), it is our expectation that the next set of sacrifices come from someone else which we think is more than fair.

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(07-31-2014 11:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 06:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:12 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:00 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I would imagine they are trying to get some combination of Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt and BC matched up with ND in the 4 who play them 5 times. I mention these 4 as they are historically rivals for ND. (Well Georgia Tech truly historically and BC in recent decades, but you all know where I'm coming from here.) It seems Syracuse is the 4th team for that based on getting them twice in the first 3 year rotation.

The only question is what happens when the 12 years are up. Is ND off the hook from giving the ACC a guaranteed number of games per year? Or is it just time for renegotiation where ND might try and go to 4 games and the ACC might want 6 to allow ND to continue being a member?

As long as they are a member of the ACC, they are committed to at least 5 football games a year. If they want four they can quit and pay the exit fee and buy out the GOR. I think they will be playing more than five a year before the 12 years is up.

I don't, not even a little bit.

Why the hell would ND want to do that?

I suspect the cost of having access to the ACC's bowl line-up (not to mention the other sports) may go up...


I don't. I think the status quo was agreed to by all parties and will remain that way indefinitely.

If the ACC pulls a "bait and switch", then that may make a good case for litigation. No ND exit fee or GOR? We shall see.

I don't think the ACC will pull a "bait and switch," or pressure ND to increase it's membership in ACC football in any way. The increase to 6, 7 or 8 games will be voluntary and reflect the wishes of all sides. To answer TerryD's question, when ND does increase the number of ACC football games it plays, it will be because it would be good for ND as an institution and good for ND football at that time. I'm not talking about next year or anything.

And when the other ACC members agree to play ND more often, it will be for the same reason for their institutions. ND (the university and football program, not the fanbase) will be able to claim "independence" for as long as it needs to.

Quote:Posted by Dr. Isaly von Yinzer - Today 10:42 PM
As a PITT fan, we understand the deal. We know where we fit into things. Also, we understand exactly what we have to give up to make this whole deal work. We just ask that everyone else recognizes that we have sacrificed more than anyone else to make this arrangement work. Therefore, down the road when other scheduling considerations pop up (pods, permanent rivals, etc.), it is our expectation that the next set of sacrifices come from someone else, which we think is more than fair. That is how true partnerships work. It can't be, "We're going to stick you wherever we want to stick you and you are going to STFU and take it, you whining, good-for-nothing Yankee." That shitt's not going to fly.

Eight current ACC members gave up round robin basketball and football and a three day basketball Tournament format (with a Thursday play-in after FSU joined) for all this money that none of us care about or see a dime of either. My school voted against it from the beginning, but we're getting along, and voted for Pitt as far as I know. We understand the deal too.

I've grown to like Pitt a lot, and the more I know the more I like. I grew up in the deep South, and didn't know about Pitt when I was looking at colleges, but if I had I definitely would have applied. I'd be as proud to send my children there as anywhere. And I recognize that giving up the annual Notre Dame football game is a sacrifice -- a sacrifice, by the way, that Notre Dame, not the ACC, is imposing on you.

I don't think anyone has it in for Pitt. Happy to have you as conference-mates, looking forward to revenge on November 1.
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(07-31-2014 10:51 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:16 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 08:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 06:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(07-30-2014 11:12 PM)opossum Wrote:  As long as they are a member of the ACC, they are committed to at least 5 football games a year. If they want four they can quit and pay the exit fee and buy out the GOR. I think they will be playing more than five a year before the 12 years is up.

I don't, not even a little bit.

Why the hell would ND want to do that?

I suspect the cost of having access to the ACC's bowl line-up (not to mention the other sports) may go up...


I don't. I think the status quo was agreed to by all parties and will remain that way indefinitely.

If the ACC pulls a "bait and switch", then that may make a good case for litigation. No ND exit fee or GOR? We shall see.

I don't think the ACC will pull a "bait and switch," or pressure ND to increase it's membership in ACC football in any way. The increase to 6, 7 or 8 games will be voluntary and reflect the wishes of all sides. To answer TerryD's question, when ND does increase the number of ACC football games it plays, it will be because it would be good for ND as an institution and good for ND football at that time. I'm not talking about next year or anything.

And when the other ACC members agree to play ND more often, it will be for the same reason for their institutions. ND (the university and football program, not the fanbase) will be able to claim "independence" for as long as it needs to.

Quote:Posted by Dr. Isaly von Yinzer - Today 10:42 PM
As a PITT fan, we understand the deal. We know where we fit into things. Also, we understand exactly what we have to give up to make this whole deal work. We just ask that everyone else recognizes that we have sacrificed more than anyone else to make this arrangement work. Therefore, down the road when other scheduling considerations pop up (pods, permanent rivals, etc.), it is our expectation that the next set of sacrifices come from someone else, which we think is more than fair. That is how true partnerships work. It can't be, "We're going to stick you wherever we want to stick you and you are going to STFU and take it, you whining, good-for-nothing Yankee." That shitt's not going to fly.

Eight current ACC members gave up round robin basketball and football and a three day basketball Tournament format (with a Thursday play-in after FSU joined) for all this money that none of us care about or see a dime of either. My school voted against it from the beginning, but we're getting along, and voted for Pitt as far as I know. We understand the deal too.

I've grown to like Pitt a lot, and the more I know the more I like. I grew up in the deep South, and didn't know about Pitt when I was looking at colleges, but if I had I definitely would have applied. I'd be as proud to send my children there as anywhere. And I recognize that giving up the annual Notre Dame football game is a sacrifice -- a sacrifice, by the way, that Notre Dame, not the ACC, is imposing on you.

I don't think anyone has it in for Pitt. Happy to have you as conference-mates, looking forward to revenge on November 1.


How is ND "imposing" this? The ACC sets the opponents, ND only provides the dates.

ND would love to have Pitt as one of its five ACC games every year. It is the league that wants ND to play all schools in a three year period.

As far as your first point, I don't think that it ever will be in ND's best interests to increase its ACC game commitment or join the conference for football.

That would limit its ability to play schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Arizona State, etc..for national exposure... and keep Southern Cal, Stanford and Navy as bedrock games.
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(07-31-2014 09:38 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I cannot imagine any scenario in which Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member.

ACC adds texas for a "break-the-bank" contract ...

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(08-01-2014 09:07 AM)green Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 09:38 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I cannot imagine any scenario in which Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member.

ACC adds texas for a "break-the-bank" contract ...

TRIGGER HAPPY

That would make two partial members playing five ACC football games a year.

That works for me......

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(08-01-2014 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 09:07 AM)green Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 09:38 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I cannot imagine any scenario in which Notre Dame would join the ACC as a full member.

ACC adds texas for a "break-the-bank" contract ...

TRIGGER HAPPY

That would make two partial members playing five ACC football games a year.

That works for me......

INNOVATION

Even better get another full time and a partial and you'd have 3 teams with 5 games with 15 teams. A "9th" conference game if you will.

As for who those two teams would be maybe a WVU-Penn St. combo or something. I'm sure someone else can come up with something better.
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(07-31-2014 09:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As a PITT fan, we understand the deal. We know where we fit into things. Also, we understand exactly what we have to give up to make this whole deal work. We just ask that everyone else recognizes that we have sacrificed more than anyone else to make this arrangement work. Therefore, down the road when other scheduling considerations pop up (pods, permanent rivals, etc.), it is our expectation that the next set of sacrifices come from someone else which we think is more than fair.

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