(08-15-2014 01:14 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:59 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That and Baltimore doesn't have an NHL or NBA team, so it's only 6 teams over two cities. Plus that is two full and whole metro areas, with a large amount of people between the two.

Yes, there are almost 10 million people in the Baltimore-Washington area, and average income is quite high. Some of the richest counties in the USA are in the DC area. Go to some parts of that area and you will see something you see nowhere else in the USA, probably not on earth: Entire neighborhoods that are almost all-black, but where the average income is over $80,000 a year. There is plenty of wealth in that area.

Maryland has hundreds of thousands of alumni in the area so the market is there for them to tap, if they can improve the quality of the product.

Upper Income black neighborhoods are not quite that rare Quo. I'd certainly like there to be more but you'll find them more places than just DC. Certainly Atlanta has quite a few and even in Queens, NY the average black household income is higher than that of whites.

Of the 10 wealthiest black communities in the USA, five are in PG County, Maryland, which borders on DC:

http://praisedc.com/1683807/10-richest-b...n-america/

(08-15-2014 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:59 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That and Baltimore doesn't have an NHL or NBA team, so it's only 6 teams over two cities. Plus that is two full and whole metro areas, with a large amount of people between the two.

Yes, there are almost 10 million people in the Baltimore-Washington area, and average income is quite high. Some of the richest counties in the USA are in the DC area. Go to some parts of that area and you will see something you see nowhere else in the USA, probably not on earth: Entire neighborhoods that are almost all-black, but where the average income is over $80,000 a year. There is plenty of wealth in that area.

Maryland has hundreds of thousands of alumni in the area so the market is there for them to tap, if they can improve the quality of the product.

In Baltimore people it is the norm for people in the lower half of income to send their kids to private schools. That is how you know there is money (also a hidden item never mentioned about the big ten wanting Maryland. The income is ridiculous.

brick city Wrote:Rutgers is New Jersey's team and Maryland is Maryland's team. As the state flagship universities, they represent the entire state and it does not matter if they are situated in the nearby city. Maryland receives plenty of coverage in the Baltimore Sun and the Washington Post; Rutgers is covered by all the major media outlets of record in New Jersey. College takes a back seat to pros around here, but when they're doing well or there is a big matchup, the teams get the requisite attention. This is no different than any other pro-sports first market.

I graduated from Maryland and lived in Baltimore for a number of years. I don't know who you think you are fooling but while Maryland may "represent" the state as a school, it most certainly doesn't represent the people in terms of fandom. And you and I both know that "state flagship" means **** in Maryland. Public, private, no one there cares. If Johns Hopkins was as good at football as they were at lacrosse they would be like USC in la to Baltimore college fans. Yeah Maryland gets "coverage" he Baltimore sun, but on page 4 after reports of every other local tech, what the steelers and Yankees did, and maybe a quick check in with the eagles to boot.

A story about Ray Lewis farting in public would get more coverage than Maryland making the orange bowl.

(08-15-2014 03:26 PM)Brick City Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:48 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Good point. And Rutgers is indeed worse off financially than MD.

At a certain point your metro can be large enough to compensate but that would require a little research.

Think of how much UCLA and USC benefit from no Los Angeles Rams or LA Raiders?

The DC/Baltimore combined statistical area has 9 million people so with 8 pro franchises and UM that's 1 million per so to speak.

If we look at Rutgers as wedged between Philly and NYC that's 30 million with 13 pro franchises - 9 in NYC and 4 in Philly so including Rutgers that's about 2 million per so to speak.

LA has 18 million but no pro football, but two basketball teams, two baseball, and one hockey franchise (5?) plus UCLA and USC that's 2.5 million per so to speak.

Rutgers seems to have some space to breath and grow, UCLA and USC are filling the void of the Rams and the Raiders. MD - MD is screwed.

Not sure how you start with Rutgers being worse off financially than Maryland and conclude that Rutgers is fine while Maryland is screwed. Both schools have the detriment of being located in pro-sports first markets wedged between 2 major cities with many professional teams. Although I believe that point is overblown here as while there is direct overlap with the NFL (both in timing and fan interest), this is less so with the MLB, NBA and NHL. I can attest as a hockey fan that unfortunately not enough people are into it - doubt the 3 NY/NJ teams or the Capitals are eating into Rutgers' or Maryland's revenue much there.

On the positive side, like quo said above, both of these schools are located in states that are top 3 wealthiest in the country. There are plenty of entertainment dollars to go around here. When Maryland was good in football under Friedgen the stadium was packed and rocking. Comcast/Xfinity continued to be top 25 in attendance until a year or so ago despite a much longer period of mediocrity. Like most other teams in American sports, put a good product on the field and it will draw.

(08-15-2014 10:59 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That and Baltimore doesn't have an NHL or NBA team, so it's only 6 teams over two cities. Plus that is two full and whole metro areas, with a large amount of people between the two. So the competition is real, but it's not as much as indicated (FWIW the Steelers and Yankees are major team in that area. Not sure how many fans from there travel to go to their games, but it does affect the local airwaves). That said, they suffer more from not truly being in either city. It's much closer to DC than Baltimore, so they're not really Baltimore's team. And since they are in Maryland and not really in DC (the Redskins aren't either, but that's another story) they aren't really DC's team either. So who's team are they? For that, they are similar to Rutgers too, who sits between two major cities, and is the so called state university, but really is the not "the" team of either major city.

Rutgers is New Jersey's team and Maryland is Maryland's team. As the state flagship universities, they represent the entire state and it does not matter if they are situated in the nearby city. Maryland receives plenty of coverage in the Baltimore Sun and the Washington Post; Rutgers is covered by all the major media outlets of record in New Jersey. College takes a back seat to pros around here, but when they're doing well or there is a big matchup, the teams get the requisite attention. This is no different than any other pro-sports first market.

Not sure what you're insinuating with the bolded - Rutgers is New Jersey's flagship university regardless of if it has the "State University of New Jersey" appended after the Rutgers name.

(08-15-2014 11:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 10:59 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  That and Baltimore doesn't have an NHL or NBA team, so it's only 6 teams over two cities. Plus that is two full and whole metro areas, with a large amount of people between the two.

Yes, there are almost 10 million people in the Baltimore-Washington area, and average income is quite high. Some of the richest counties in the USA are in the DC area. Go to some parts of that area and you will see something you see nowhere else in the USA, probably not on earth: Entire neighborhoods that are almost all-black, but where the average income is over $80,000 a year. There is plenty of wealth in that area.

Maryland has hundreds of thousands of alumni in the area so the market is there for them to tap, if they can improve the quality of the product.

Right, both these schools have lots of alumni in their states and I imagine a lesser amount of people who will root for them because of state pride. These teams start getting competitive and fans will start coming out of the woodwork (or returning in Maryland's case).

Brick, I am of the opinion that Rutgers has more room to grow than UMD, not that they will. I also don't think Rutgers fans and alums have high expectations that might be dashed. But this is a hunch and time will tell, as it is now, Rutgers and UMD are both engaged in huge subsidies to keep their programs afloat. And yes Rutgers is having to pump in about 50% more than UM.

No, I am wrong, Rutgers subsidized $46 million in 2012, and MD only $15 million. Damn

(08-15-2014 01:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 01:09 PM)chess Wrote:  Maryland is not the University of Indiana or Illinois. With the right coach, Maryland should be able to compete in the Big Ten in football.

While I hate that Maryland left the ACC, Maryland will contribute to the Big Ten.

Just curious -- why do you think Maryland will fare better in Big Ten football than Illinois? I wouldn't make that assumption based on comparing the past records of those two teams. Illinois has been bad the past few years but sometimes good over the 20-30 years before that, and I wouldn't expect more from a Maryland team that will have to play Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State every year.

Because I live in the Chicago area. It is the same reason Bill Self left Illinois for Kansas. If you are a football player in the Chicago area, schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska are the first choices of young people. Maryland is not competing against that. Maryland is competing against Penn State for Big Ten ball players. If you are a young person in the DC/PA/NJ and want to play Big Ten ball, a good coach should be able to make a case for Maryland.

Illinois struggles to recruit the best Illinois players. Basketball players go to Kansas or Duke. Football players go to Notre Dame or Ohio State.