(09-06-2014 11:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:04 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  The same B1G posters that were laughing at the demise of the ACC not too long ago and talking about the Big Four

Most of the ACC is terrible.

LOL!

What a wonderfully creative and meaningful post Miko, then again...it's you.

Please, prove my point again.

The scary part for the BIG 10 was this day could have been much worse. The defeats to the MAC schools are not conference image killers. Northwestern and Purdue are not the big boys, but if Iowa and Nebraska fell (which they almost did if Ball State didn't throw the game away with a horrible 4th QT strategy and if McNeese State didn't have a TD taken away by the refs), the conference would be in dire straits for this campaign. Iowa and Nebraska are the big names. The BIG 10 dodged the nuke, but still sustained a fire bombing.

Heinous, you're crying like a little girl because people on this forum are rightfully calling out the B1G for an embarrassing performance today, and you're big post is to say the ACC has bad teams... You make me chuckle with your B1G bias...

Maryland might just win the Big Ten this year. LOL

(09-06-2014 11:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Heinous, you're crying like a little girl because people on this forum are rightfully calling out the B1G for an embarrassing performance today, and you're big post is to say the ACC has bad teams... You make me chuckle with your B1G bias...

Crying? Oh you silly little boy and your continuous issue of projecting your issues upon others.

I'm merely talking down to inferiors, such as you.

I said the Big Ten had a horrible day, what I am calling out is the people going even further trying to say this week has decided the season. Of course you are ignoring that and trying to create a fabrication of the truth, as you always do. Keep on trying little liar.

The problem that the Big Ten has now.. Their champ won't likely be undefeated. They're now counting on having 2 of the P5 conferences produce champions with 2 losses. Likely if they have a 1 loss champ, and another P5 has a 1 loss champ- that would go to the other P5 conference. Heck, you could make a case that a 2 loss SEC champ would go over a 1 loss Big Ten champ. Big Ten needs a ton of help. They could get it- but the odds aren't really good at all.

Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

(09-06-2014 11:19 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BUT, #7MSU, #8OSU and UM all losing to P5 schools today is the reason why the P5 will NEVER voluntarily move to an all P5 non conference schedule. Never, ever, ever.

Give FBS a 16-team tournament -- why not, FCS has 24 -- with an abundance of available at-large tournament selections, and a setup where a P5 school can lose three regular season games and still have a good shot at an at-large tournament spot, and then we'd have a system as in hoops where teams would get rewarded for tough non-con schedules and punished for weak non-con schedules. Then we might see top teams schedule not just one but two or three tough non-con games a year.

(09-07-2014 01:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

the difference between Big Ten and Big 12- Big 12 still has 2 teams ranked in the top 10 that are undefeated. Right now the only Big Ten teams undefeated that got votes last week- Rutgers, Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota. None of those compare to Baylor or Oklahoma. Heck, Kansas St has a chance to make a statement as well in 2 weeks vs Auburn.

Another problem the Big Ten has- they have only 3 games left with ranked opponents OOC- 2 with Notre Dame(Purdue and Northwestern) and then Missouri(Indiana). So nothing out there to help their conference resume much now.

(09-07-2014 01:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

H1 admit it, the Big 10's day sucked out the wazoo! Your top teams now have losses to the SEC, PAC, ACC, and to Notre Dame and what's worse is that only Wisconsin's loss was close. The good news is that the Badgers play nobody but Nebraska, who admittedly was outplayed by FCS school McNeese State who looked great today. The trouble for the Big 10 and why so many people are saying today was a season killer is because they have no significant OOC win to hang their hat on for direct competition against any other conference flag bearer. Your best hope now is to pray that L.S.U. wins the SEC. Then the Badgers can claim that a one loss year gets them in and you know what it probably would and rightfully so. But truthfully the East is toast. Ohio State embarrassed at home. Michigan State routed. And Michigan absolutely blanked! The FCS losses wouldn't have meant so much except the top got routed, all but Wisconsin. The only flag bearer I see for the Big 10 is Wisconsin or possibly Nebraska but honestly the Huskers aren't that good.

(09-07-2014 01:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

the difference between Big Ten and Big 12- Big 12 still has 2 teams ranked in the top 10 that are undefeated. Right now the only Big Ten teams undefeated that got votes last week- Rutgers, Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota. None of those compare to Baylor or Oklahoma. Heck, Kansas St has a chance to make a statement as well in 2 weeks vs Auburn.

Another problem the Big Ten has- they have only 3 games left with ranked opponents OOC- 2 with Notre Dame(Purdue and Northwestern) and then Missouri(Indiana). So nothing out there to help their conference resume much now.

And if OU or Baylor had played AT Oregon or AT Notre Dame in the first two weeks, there's a good chance they wouldn't be in the top 10 anymore either.

I'm not arguing the Big Ten is any good....just fighting against faulty logic.

(09-07-2014 05:49 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

the difference between Big Ten and Big 12- Big 12 still has 2 teams ranked in the top 10 that are undefeated. Right now the only Big Ten teams undefeated that got votes last week- Rutgers, Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota. None of those compare to Baylor or Oklahoma. Heck, Kansas St has a chance to make a statement as well in 2 weeks vs Auburn.

Another problem the Big Ten has- they have only 3 games left with ranked opponents OOC- 2 with Notre Dame(Purdue and Northwestern) and then Missouri(Indiana). So nothing out there to help their conference resume much now.

And if OU or Baylor had played AT Oregon or AT Notre Dame in the first two weeks, there's a good chance they wouldn't be in the top 10 anymore either.

I'm not arguing the Big Ten is any good....just fighting against faulty logic.

Truthfully to add to your point did you notice all of those bicycle tracks that were on Bevo's carcass? It may be the worst and most humiliating loss of the day and it gets lost in the coverage because of the losses in the Big 10. Well there wasn't any mile high air sucking the wind out of the Longhorns tonight, just a plain old fashioned woodshed whipping by the Cougar on the outside of the window as our Shaggy posters will appreciate. 41-7 BYU

My pre-season prediction for the Big Ten?
MSU 10-2...winner of Big Ten title game
UM 10-2
OSU 9-3
Wisconsin 10-2...loser of Big Ten title game
Iowa 9-3
Nebraska 9-3
PSU 8-4

A lot of good teams...but no great ones. How has this been "shattered" or "killed" (i.e. RIP) in the first two weeks?

The Big Ten won't get a team in the CFP...but is that really the end of the world?

In the last 4 years, the Big 12 probably would have only had teams in the CFP twice (10 and 12) and the ACC once (2013). So, let's not all imagine that the Big Ten will be the only one left out of the CFP this year or in future years.

(09-07-2014 05:49 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Another problem the Big Ten has- they have only 3 games left with ranked opponents OOC- 2 with Notre Dame(Purdue and Northwestern) and then Missouri(Indiana). So nothing out there to help their conference resume much now.

And if OU or Baylor had played AT Oregon or AT Notre Dame in the first two weeks, there's a good chance they wouldn't be in the top 10 anymore either.

I'm not arguing the Big Ten is any good....just fighting against faulty logic.

That's not faulty logic, that's just a deduction from looking at the schedules.

The perception after last night, with OSU, MSU and Michigan all getting beaten badly and Purdue and Northwestern losing to MAC teams, is that the Big Ten is down this year. (You could be a lot more colorful than that and be well in the range of consensus opinion.)

The Big Ten doesn't have a lot of opportunities to change that perception before bowl season--Missouri vs Indiana, Purdue and Northwestern vs Notre Dame. And the Notre Dame games can't really make the B1G look good, since those teams lost MAC games, they just make Notre Dame and Michigan look worse.

Meanwhile the PAC-10 looks pretty good right now with Oregon horsewhipping Michigan State. (Since the top of the PAC looks good, nobody cares about Colorado-CSU and Nevada-WSU). Maybe STanford or USC blows goats against Notre Dame, but I don't think there are any other PAC OOC games where USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford or Arizona State aren't big favorites.

The ACC looks strong (or at least stronger than usual) with Florida STate cruising, Virginia Tech moving into the top 25 last night, and North Carolina surviving against SDSU.

The Big 12 leaders have feasted on local lower-FBS schools, but if Oklahoma loses against Tennessee, teh Big 12 could have a perception problem with Texas-BYU, WVU-Alabama and Oklahoma State-Florida State and Oklahoma-Tennessee and NDSU-Iowa State starting to look like a pattern.

A one-loss Big Ten champion is going to have a problem getting into the playoff.

(09-07-2014 06:05 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The Big Ten won't get a team in the CFP...but is that really the end of the world?

Ok, that's fair. But when there are five power conferences, and four spots, it's not good to be the conference (or two) without a spot.

There just aren't that many teams that look like playoff contenders this year-outside the SEC anyway. The. B1G may effectively be out, but the field of real competitors this year looks light. 2014 doesn't look like it will be support those who want expansion to 8 teams.

PAC- Oregon and USC (sorry UCLA)
BigXII- Oklahoma
B1G-
ACC- FSU, VT
SEC: LSU, Alabama, Georgia, A&M

(09-07-2014 05:49 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 01:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Once again, you are making these assessments far too early in the season. Don't let us stop you though from trying to take all the negative attention the Big 12 has been getting early on in regards to the Playoffs.

the difference between Big Ten and Big 12- Big 12 still has 2 teams ranked in the top 10 that are undefeated. Right now the only Big Ten teams undefeated that got votes last week- Rutgers, Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota. None of those compare to Baylor or Oklahoma. Heck, Kansas St has a chance to make a statement as well in 2 weeks vs Auburn.

Another problem the Big Ten has- they have only 3 games left with ranked opponents OOC- 2 with Notre Dame(Purdue and Northwestern) and then Missouri(Indiana). So nothing out there to help their conference resume much now.

And if OU or Baylor had played AT Oregon or AT Notre Dame in the first two weeks, there's a good chance they wouldn't be in the top 10 anymore either.

I'm not arguing the Big Ten is any good....just fighting against faulty logic.v

close losses would be kinda expected the B1G was the underdog team in all but the ONE game. The blow outs feed the hype and ESPN does not own their network. So the negative press will be relentless.

(09-07-2014 08:32 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  There just aren't that many teams that look like playoff contenders this year-outside the SEC anyway. The. B1G may effectively be out, but the field of real competitors this year looks light. 2014 doesn't look like it will be support those who want expansion to 8 teams.

PAC- Oregon and USC (sorry UCLA)
BigXII- Oklahoma
B1G-
ACC- FSU, VT
SEC: LSU, Alabama, Georgia, A&M

Too early
Alabama didn't look to be much better than WVU.
A&M its hard to say USC did not look good against ECU.
LSU and Wisconsin are close if you watched the game.
Georgia looks like the top SEC team so far.

Big Ten fans here in Indiana are happy with the losses yesterday. Call in shows going crazy this morning with Hoosier and Boiler fans celebrating the arrival of basketball season for The Big Ten.
CJ

(09-06-2014 10:58 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 10:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Never say never...B1G media hype is strong.

Meanwhile in the ACC Florida State, Louisville, Clemson, Pitt and Virginia Tech are looking very good early....

Really???