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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 06:44 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(09-24-2014 12:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nobody knows how Ole Miss is going to finish, but good grief, beating #10 Ole Miss, an SEC West team, would easily trump ECU beating Virginia Tech. It would be far and away the best win a G5 team has on their resume.

And their close loss to #11 UCLA wouldn't look any worse than ECU's loss to SC.

In that scenario, I would bet on Memphis over ECU to get the G5 bid.
ECU would have the 2nd win over UNC. Also, Ole Miss could by the end of the year be a 6-6 team. To not go 6-6, they would have to beat one of Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Auburn, Miss St(and not lose to Tennessee.)

Also- Memphis avoids playing UCF, while ECU avoids playing Houston. So SOS in conference play is plus ECU.
I will be shocked if the UNC win means much at the end of the year. They have lots of losses written all over them.
The VT win may not mean all that much either. I've got a feeling they're in for a few more losses before the year is up. Their win over Ohio State may not look all that great either. The Buckeyes could end up with 3 or 4 more losses before the season ends. Without Braxton Miller, I see some struggles coming up.
A Cincinnati win over Ohio State would help them in two ways. Obviously, it's a signature win for them, but it also indirectly diminishes the importance of ECU's win over Va Tech. Nevertheless, a head to head loss to the Pirates would scuttle them anyway.
True. UC has their path set for them. All they have to do is walk it successfully.

Of course, if they fall to Ohio State, that's pretty much out the window. It's all up to them.
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Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
PTNC, an unbeaten Marshall could be an issue as well. It just depends on how much respect they get for their schedule.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.

"The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  PTNC, an unbeaten Marshall could be an issue as well. It just depends on how much respect they get for their schedule.

They will have NO respect for their schedule:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team...ering-herd

The powers that be never gave CUSA any respect and it is weaker this year so I doubt they can make a move if they pull being undefeated off. ONLY WAY I'd change my tune is if they blow every single team out the rest of the way and even then I am not too sure about that as they would also have to win the CUSA Championship game as well.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
It's not outside the realm of possibility.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 07:35 PM)krup Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.

"The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?

BYU has no access to the G5 slot.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  PTNC, an unbeaten Marshall could be an issue as well. It just depends on how much respect they get for their schedule.

Only CUSA fans do anything but laugh at that schedule.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 08:48 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:35 PM)krup Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.

"The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?

BYU has no access to the G5 slot.

I don't see why people even keep bringing this up. BYU in their arrogance decided to walk alone just so they could pretend Utah does not have a better deal.

Until they join a conference they are on their own.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 09:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 08:48 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:35 PM)krup Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.

"The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?

BYU has no access to the G5 slot.

I don't see why people even keep bringing this up. BYU in their arrogance decided to walk alone just so they could pretend Utah does not have a better deal.

Until they join a conference they are on their own.

I am not sure being independent is any more 'arrogant' than being in a conference. The only reason that the rules are stacked in favor of conferences is because it is the conferences that have written the rules, not because it is inherently more equitable or just that the rules be that way.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 09:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
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(09-24-2014 07:35 PM)krup Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 07:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Sexy conference games might not be there for ECU but the tv penetration will be.

*IF* UC can seal the deal against Ohio State and keeps winning ...the Pirates keep winning.... that could possibly set up a #_ ECU @ #_ UC come later on in the year AND the winner of that would have a pretty good edge on the competition. The only real threat could be how well BYU does.

"The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?

BYU has no access to the G5 slot.

I don't see why people even keep bringing this up. BYU in their arrogance decided to walk alone just so they could pretend Utah does not have a better deal.

Until they join a conference they are on their own.

I am not sure being independent is any more 'arrogant' than being in a conference. The only reason that the rules are stacked in favor of conferences is because it is the conferences that have written the rules, not because it is inherently more equitable or just that the rules be that way.

I'm no English major but I'm pretty sure schools working together towards common goals is less arrogant than turning your back on your conference as soon as your rival gets a promotion.

BYU went indy because they got jealous.
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(09-24-2014 02:20 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  
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(09-24-2014 02:07 PM)AnnapolisPirate Wrote:  T this year. ECU cannot afford to take any game lightly going forward.

Just win the AAC...It's going to be either ECU, UCF or Cincinnati.

I dunno..13-0 Marshall probably gets in over 10-2 UCF and maybe even 11-1 Cincinnati.

UCF I agree on, not on CINCY.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 07:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  PTNC, an unbeaten Marshall could be an issue as well. It just depends on how much respect they get for their schedule.

Marshall has a schedule that is one of the worst known to man kind. There best game on schedule is Horrid. Marshall needs Boise, Cincy, and ECU all to have 2 losses, and even then it would not be a lock. I think all 3 of those teams likely will have 2 losses, but also think Marshall will have 1 or 2.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 12:26 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  However, if Cincy wins out, ECU loses that game. All of your marbles are in one basket right now.

Access Bowl spot has to be the top ranked conference champ. The Cincy/ECU game will likely decide the AAC champion. Hopefully Cincy beats Ohio State and both teams are ranked setting up for a nationally televised showdown on Thursday night ESPN.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
(09-24-2014 09:46 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
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(09-24-2014 07:35 PM)krup Wrote:  "The only real threat could be how well BYU does."

I thought the bid goes to the highest ranked G5 champion, with BYU not eligible because they are independent?

BYU has no access to the G5 slot.

I don't see why people even keep bringing this up. BYU in their arrogance decided to walk alone just so they could pretend Utah does not have a better deal.

Until they join a conference they are on their own.

I am not sure being independent is any more 'arrogant' than being in a conference. The only reason that the rules are stacked in favor of conferences is because it is the conferences that have written the rules, not because it is inherently more equitable or just that the rules be that way.

I'm no English major but I'm pretty sure schools working together towards common goals is less arrogant than turning your back on your conference as soon as your rival gets a promotion.

BYU went indy because they got jealous.

I think you need to major in English. Or at least brush up on the concept of free association. BYU, like any other school, voluntarily joined a conference, and then they voluntarily left it. Every school has that right, and it's not 'arrogant' to exercise your rights. BYU may be guilty of jealousy, but not arrogance.

And the larger point remains: The rules favor conferences because conferences wrote the rules. And they knew what they were doing when they wrote them.
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(09-24-2014 06:39 PM)krup Wrote:  I am not sure I understand why people are ignoring Nevada's chances so much.

Their loss, at least so far, is not a bad one (7 pt loss to undefeated Arizona) and they beat Wash St convinclngly, which looks better after Oregon's WSU scare.

Most importantly, BYU is starting to get a lot of publicity and Nevada will be playing them October 18th when BYU may have moved up to the #10-15 range because of other teams losing. That gives Nevada the chance to have the most notable G5 win in the later part of the season.

I'm not saying Nevada CAN run the table, but they will get a lot of support if they do.

That's a good point. A P5 win, a close loss to another ranked P5 plus wins over BYU and Boise is probably as impressive as any other G5 could do. In that case, I think the only G5's who would be able to unseat them would be Cincy or ECU. Nobody else has the SOS chops.
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(09-25-2014 09:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:46 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 09:15 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(09-24-2014 08:48 PM)Maize Wrote:  BYU has no access to the G5 slot.

I don't see why people even keep bringing this up. BYU in their arrogance decided to walk alone just so they could pretend Utah does not have a better deal.

Until they join a conference they are on their own.

I am not sure being independent is any more 'arrogant' than being in a conference. The only reason that the rules are stacked in favor of conferences is because it is the conferences that have written the rules, not because it is inherently more equitable or just that the rules be that way.

I'm no English major but I'm pretty sure schools working together towards common goals is less arrogant than turning your back on your conference as soon as your rival gets a promotion.

BYU went indy because they got jealous.

I think you need to major in English. Or at least brush up on the concept of free association. BYU, like any other school, voluntarily joined a conference, and then they voluntarily left it. Every school has that right, and it's not 'arrogant' to exercise your rights. BYU may be guilty of jealousy, but not arrogance.

And the larger point remains: The rules favor conferences because conferences wrote the rules. And they knew what they were doing when they wrote them.

Yeah, this idea of "loyalty" to your conference is hogwash. You don't owe anything to your conference mates other than fielding a competitive, safe, and respectable program that plays them on the assigned dates.

It's not a religious marriage where it's "to death do us part." It's a free association that can be canceled at any time.
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RE: Is ECU a given for the G5 Access Bowl spot?
I think UC actually controls destiny more so than ECU. If UC loses to either OSU/Miami, then the winner of their matchup with ECU will have the leg up.

A better question is whether a 12-0 Marshall, who played no one, would get the nod over a 10-2 ECU who defeated VT and UNC, or a UC who defeated Ohio State, for example. Will the committee look at SOS and realize the opponents were far stronger than Marshall's (thus the defeats), or will they go strictly by W/L record. Will be interesting.
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(09-25-2014 11:21 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I think UC actually controls destiny more so than ECU. If UC loses to either OSU/Miami, then the winner of their matchup with ECU will have the leg up.

A better question is whether a 12-0 Marshall, who played no one, would get the nod over a 10-2 ECU who defeated VT and UNC, or a UC who defeated Ohio State, for example. Will the committee look at SOS and realize the opponents were far stronger than Marshall's (thus the defeats), or will they go strictly by W/L record. Will be interesting.

Past history would suggest that in that scenario, ECU or Cincy would lose out. SOS can overcome one loss, but not two, not "within category", meaning comparing G5 to G5 or P5 to P5..

That's because of SOS range-restriction. It may seem to an ECU fan that ECU's strength of schedule is ginormously better than Marshall's, but the fact is that ECU's SOS is not likely to be that high. If I had to bet, ECU's SOS will probably end up being around 70, while Marshall's will be about 125. So while 125 is pretty much rock-bottom, it's not all that much worse than an SOS of 70, which is pretty weak itself. That gap is enough to overcome a one-loss gap, but not two.

The only way you will see two losses trumped by SOS is across-category, e.g., an LSU team that goes 10-2 and has an SOS of 19 will get ranked ahead of a 12-0 Marshall with an SOS of 125. But that's a P5 to G5 comparison.
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(09-25-2014 11:21 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I think UC actually controls destiny more so than ECU. If UC loses to either OSU/Miami, then the winner of their matchup with ECU will have the leg up.

How can one team control their own destiny more than another one? The winner of the ECU/UC matchup will have the leg up either way. Even if Cincy wins both of those games and ECU still has only one loss an ECU win over Cincy would put us ahead in the AAC standings.
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