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Basketball... Better, Worse, or Same?
I know we are only 7 games in, but what's your feel for the basketball team this year? I remain ever hopeful, but I'm not thinking we are much better than last year. I really really want Layer to have a great season and turn things around because he is such an upstanding person. But dang! We need to win and change the culture of this program.

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12-02-2014 09:51 PM
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I got to see them play Miami of Ohio. I wasn't impressed to say the least. They lost to a bad Miami team. It appears they don't have a "go to" guy when needed. I think we may be looking at another 20 loss season and this will likely be Layers last season.
12-02-2014 11:22 PM
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They actually show some promise. But any time you essentially change out nearly an entire roster there is going to be challenges.

Gielo is still learning to be the go-to guy. But he is really the only guy showing that capacity right now.
12-03-2014 09:24 AM
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David Andoh looks like he can be a player. We are longer this year. But still not very athletic from what I've seen.
12-03-2014 09:38 AM
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Layer must produce this year or he must go. Fortunately Gill has brought much needed credibility to LU with the FB success. Our MBB team has consistently lagged at or near the bottom. That is another non success program that needs to immediately to be improved. Barber did a great hire with Gill. He likely will need to make another higher profile BB hire to jump start the program. I remember watching Gill direct Nebraska to predominance in FBS. His hire brought a renewed interest and credibility to the program. MBB needs the same thing.
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I am rooting for layer, but for me this is a put up or shut up season. Here's to hoping for another miracle run through the BS Tournament....
12-04-2014 04:44 PM
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(12-04-2014 04:44 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  I am rooting for layer, but for me this is a put up or shut up season. Here's to hoping for another miracle run through the BS Tournament....
Layer seems to be a good man and likable person. Both good qualities. In the sphere of collegiate athletics, producing wins is a necessity. Those coaches in the high profile sports simply must win. Losing or continued so-so seasons breeds discontent and lack of fan interest. Fewer fans are interested in the program and few fans attend the games. With the FBS intention of LU, our MBB team must come close to match, or exceed what the FB program has accomplished. We cannot afford to have the MBB program be a consideration in LU's perception of being FBS worthy. It has been stated on the SBC boards what poor teams we have fielded several times. Unfortunately true.
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I don't know what his contract situation is, but I suppose he needs to have a winning season to keep his job. He won't stop being a good man even if he is let go. Someone who isn't getting the job done, shouldn't expect to remain employed. That is common sense. But, I guess it depends on what the requirements set by LU athletics is. If they only require Layer to run a clean program and graduate players then he meets the standard. If they expect him to do those and have a winning program he is failing.

BUT, we are only 7 games into the season and only one game under .500. There is a long way to go. I hope he gets it done. I like him as a person. I don't have confidence in him as a coach right now. I am really hoping that changes.
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(12-04-2014 08:19 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I don't know what his contract situation is, but I suppose he needs to have a winning season to keep his job. He won't stop being a good man even if he is let go. Someone who isn't getting the job done, shouldn't expect to remain employed. That is common sense. But, I guess it depends on what the requirements set by LU athletics is. If they only require Layer to run a clean program and graduate players then he meets the standard. If they expect him to do those and have a winning program he is failing.

BUT, we are only 7 games into the season and only one game under .500. There is a long way to go. I hope he gets it done. I like him as a person. I don't have confidence in him as a coach right now. I am really hoping that changes.
If the requirements are anything less than to be both by LU, a good guy and good, winning coach, then we will be mired in mediocrity forever. As Gill seems to be both (with this year's success), so must Layer be held to the same standard.
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Better, worse, or same? After today's loss to, what appears to be, a very bad St. Francis team, at home..... we're the same as last year, a 20 loss team.
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How can you even tell? 9 new players with no clue how to play with each other, and now no Tomasz for who knows how long. I don't think I will judge this team at all until we are into conference season. I don't even know how to judge them anyway against the teams we are playing.
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(12-03-2014 09:38 AM)Newetimes Wrote:  Layer must produce this year or he must go. Fortunately Gill has brought much needed credibility to LU with the FB success. Our MBB team has consistently lagged at or near the bottom. That is another non success program that needs to immediately to be improved. Barber did a great hire with Gill. He likely will need to make another higher profile BB hire to jump start the program. I remember watching Gill direct Nebraska to predominance in FBS. His hire brought a renewed interest and credibility to the program. MBB needs the same thing.

I personally think there is no way he can be judged off of a rebuilding year, but who knows.
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(12-07-2014 01:59 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:38 AM)Newetimes Wrote:  Layer must produce this year or he must go. Fortunately Gill has brought much needed credibility to LU with the FB success. Our MBB team has consistently lagged at or near the bottom. That is another non success program that needs to immediately to be improved. Barber did a great hire with Gill. He likely will need to make another higher profile BB hire to jump start the program. I remember watching Gill direct Nebraska to predominance in FBS. His hire brought a renewed interest and credibility to the program. MBB needs the same thing.

I personally think there is no way he can be judged off of a rebuilding year, but who knows.
Layer, with the years he's had since Mckay's departure, has had little success. This year's team appears to be consistent with the production and success he has been consistent with. Which is little success. Other than a big turn around this year, I would have to say he's got to go.
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Again, I'm just saying I doubt they will do anything knowing he's rebuilding almost from scratch.
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(12-08-2014 12:12 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Again, I'm just saying I doubt they will do anything knowing he's rebuilding almost from scratch.
We'll see as the season progresses how patient the school will be with Layer. My hunch is the FBS desire is going to require a change as we have muddled far to long in the lower level in MBB.
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I hate being in this situation. Coach Layer is everything you want in a head coach except his teams don't win. Aside from the improbable run in the Big South tournament when Liberty became the worst school to make the NCAA tournament, Liberty has disappointed every year with Layer as head coach. He has had some solid teams as Liberty was ranked near the top of the Big South entering the tournaments only to be upset. As of today, 12/12/2014, Liberty has the worst RPI in college basketball. 351 out of 351. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...eamId/2335

Like others mentioned, for Liberty to go FBS, they need to drastically improve basketball. There is no reason for LU to be in the bottom half of the Big South. The Sun Belt and CUSA have more bowl eligible teams than bowl slots to fill so football is not nearly as important as it is made to be. It certainly helps to have a good team (which we are moving in the right direction) but if we could turn into a tournament regular I think that would work just as well if we continue our football success.
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(12-12-2014 08:16 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I hate being in this situation. Coach Layer is everything you want in a head coach except his teams don't win. Aside from the improbable run in the Big South tournament when Liberty became the worst school to make the NCAA tournament, Liberty has disappointed every year with Layer as head coach. He has had some solid teams as Liberty was ranked near the top of the Big South entering the tournaments only to be upset. As of today, 12/12/2014, Liberty has the worst RPI in college basketball. 351 out of 351. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...eamId/2335

Like others mentioned, for Liberty to go FBS, they need to drastically improve basketball. There is no reason for LU to be in the bottom half of the Big South. The Sun Belt and CUSA have more bowl eligible teams than bowl slots to fill so football is not nearly as important as it is made to be. It certainly helps to have a good team (which we are moving in the right direction) but if we could turn into a tournament regular I think that would work just as well if we continue our football success.
With a 351 RPI we'very only got one way to go. LU must right this ship ASAP. It would be very sad if MBB had a factor in not getting a FBS invite.
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Yep. And today's game against juggernaut Bluefield College? University? Trade School? High School? will go a long way toward improving our resume in basketball. Hope we can win by at least 20 against what sounds like a dairy factory intramural team. I get so aggravated seeing these games on our schedule that aren't scrimmages.
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Games against non-D1 schools do not count towards your RPI if I understand it correctly. There is little to gain and much to lose today.
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These meaningless games against low level competition only dilute our program and keep us mired as an FBS wanna be cloaked as a low level FCS. Ugggh.
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