Next season , we need a ACC team to make either the Sugar or Rose bowl . So the conference can get another fat payday. Also the ACC need to get 8 to 10 teams a year in the NCAA, so they can start collecting lots NCAA units.

(12-08-2014 05:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Shouldn't it be more than that? If the ACC gets 50 mil base + 6 mil playoffs + 27.5 mil Orange Bowl = 83.5 mil

So you are saying the other 10 bowls are only pulling in 10 million combined???

A little more if you go by this

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/1...14-15.html

About $12.75 million.


Side note......I thought that the party line on here from all you ACC "experts" was that the Russell Athletic was going to increase it's payout since it was moving up the ACC food chain and dumping the AAC for the Big XII. Seems that yet again the resident "experts" were wrong, and our best bowl out of the system is indeed a huge downgrade from the Chick-fil-a Bowl of past years.

The Music City payout from that link should go to the ACC then Notre Dame gets a cut like an ACC program would is how I understood the agreement.

That is correct. I also think some of those bowl payouts are higher. Russell is higher than last year and Belk is paying more to get an SEC team.

I'd have to look really hard to find the reference, but I do remember that when Notre Dame first joined the ACC, both Swarbrick and Swofford stated that the Irish would NOT share in ACC football revenue at all - not even bowl revenue. Notre Dame would 'eat what it kills', so to speak. A sportswriter even commented that this might be another reason for the Irish to join the ACC - if they earn significantly less than the other teams in terms of bowl money. (I'm working that out, too, and will post as soon as I have it ready).

If anyone has information to indicate that this has changed, please provide a link - I'd like to add it to my reference material. Thanks!

(12-08-2014 07:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Shouldn't it be more than that? If the ACC gets 50 mil base + 6 mil playoffs + 27.5 mil Orange Bowl = 83.5 mil

So you are saying the other 10 bowls are only pulling in 10 million combined???

A little more if you go by this

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/1...14-15.html

About $12.75 million.


Side note......I thought that the party line on here from all you ACC "experts" was that the Russell Athletic was going to increase it's payout since it was moving up the ACC food chain and dumping the AAC for the Big XII. Seems that yet again the resident "experts" were wrong, and our best bowl out of the system is indeed a huge downgrade from the Chick-fil-a Bowl of past years.

The Music City payout from that link should go to the ACC then Notre Dame gets a cut like an ACC program would is how I understood the agreement.

That is correct. I also think some of those bowl payouts are higher. Russell is higher than last year and Belk is paying more to get an SEC team.

I'd have to look really hard to find the reference, but I do remember that when Notre Dame first joined the ACC, both Swarbrick and Swofford stated that the Irish would NOT share in ACC football revenue at all - not even bowl revenue. Notre Dame would 'eat what it kills', so to speak. A sportswriter even commented that this might be another reason for the Irish to join the ACC - if they earn significantly less than the other teams in terms of bowl money. (I'm working that out, too, and will post as soon as I have it ready).

If anyone has information to indicate that this has changed, please provide a link - I'd like to add it to my reference material. Thanks!

If they make one of the Playoff or Access bowls they keep their defined share of it themselves. If they end up in the ACC bowl pool they share from the bowl pool payout but they don't get a cut of the ACC's playoff and access shares. So you'd have to figure up the Orange and Playoff money as a separate pot. Put the Music City money into another pot and divide by 15.

(12-08-2014 07:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A little more if you go by this

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/1...14-15.html

About $12.75 million.


Side note......I thought that the party line on here from all you ACC "experts" was that the Russell Athletic was going to increase it's payout since it was moving up the ACC food chain and dumping the AAC for the Big XII. Seems that yet again the resident "experts" were wrong, and our best bowl out of the system is indeed a huge downgrade from the Chick-fil-a Bowl of past years.

The Music City payout from that link should go to the ACC then Notre Dame gets a cut like an ACC program would is how I understood the agreement.

That is correct. I also think some of those bowl payouts are higher. Russell is higher than last year and Belk is paying more to get an SEC team.

I'd have to look really hard to find the reference, but I do remember that when Notre Dame first joined the ACC, both Swarbrick and Swofford stated that the Irish would NOT share in ACC football revenue at all - not even bowl revenue. Notre Dame would 'eat what it kills', so to speak. A sportswriter even commented that this might be another reason for the Irish to join the ACC - if they earn significantly less than the other teams in terms of bowl money. (I'm working that out, too, and will post as soon as I have it ready).

If anyone has information to indicate that this has changed, please provide a link - I'd like to add it to my reference material. Thanks!

If they make one of the Playoff or Access bowls they keep their defined share of it themselves. If they end up in the ACC bowl pool they share from the bowl pool payout but they don't get a cut of the ACC's playoff and access shares. So you'd have to figure up the Orange and Playoff money as a separate pot. Put the Music City money into another pot and divide by 15.

I read this as well:

unofficial ND source

It's hard to find links to this stuff anymore but it was talked about when Swofford did his first press conference for it.

(12-08-2014 07:47 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I read this as well:

unofficial ND source

Quote:...while Notre Dame must share its revenue from ACC bowl tie-ins, all revenue earned from a potential playoff appearance belongs solely to Notre Dame.

[Thanks, Dasville!]

So, I stand corrected. Notre Dame is NOT taking money away from the ACC - they are splitting the (non playoff) pool 15 ways.

(12-08-2014 07:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  A little more if you go by this

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2014/1...14-15.html

About $12.75 million.


Side note......I thought that the party line on here from all you ACC "experts" was that the Russell Athletic was going to increase it's payout since it was moving up the ACC food chain and dumping the AAC for the Big XII. Seems that yet again the resident "experts" were wrong, and our best bowl out of the system is indeed a huge downgrade from the Chick-fil-a Bowl of past years.

The Music City payout from that link should go to the ACC then Notre Dame gets a cut like an ACC program would is how I understood the agreement.

That is correct. I also think some of those bowl payouts are higher. Russell is higher than last year and Belk is paying more to get an SEC team.

I'd have to look really hard to find the reference, but I do remember that when Notre Dame first joined the ACC, both Swarbrick and Swofford stated that the Irish would NOT share in ACC football revenue at all - not even bowl revenue. Notre Dame would 'eat what it kills', so to speak. A sportswriter even commented that this might be another reason for the Irish to join the ACC - if they earn significantly less than the other teams in terms of bowl money. (I'm working that out, too, and will post as soon as I have it ready).

If anyone has information to indicate that this has changed, please provide a link - I'd like to add it to my reference material. Thanks!

If they make one of the Playoff or Access bowls they keep their defined share of it themselves. If they end up in the ACC bowl pool they share from the bowl pool payout but they don't get a cut of the ACC's playoff and access shares. So you'd have to figure up the Orange and Playoff money as a separate pot. Put the Music City money into another pot and divide by 15.

That's my understanding. It's (ACC bowl money - 27.5)/15 + 27.5/14 = per team payout.

Assuming we make 92.5 million, it's (92.5-27.5)/15+27.5/14=6.297619048 million per team. Assume that each school make about $700k from the ACCCG and that's where I got my $7 million figure from above. Throw in (I'm guessing) $1.5 from ACC basketball tourney money and NCAA credits and we're looking at a cool $8.5/school, plus NCAA APR money (however that's distributed), plus TV money (~$15m - guess), plus whatever I'm forgetting and we are sitting on a decent pile of cash (~$23.5+ million).

(12-08-2014 07:02 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Next season , we need a ACC team to make either the Sugar or Rose bowl . So the conference can get another fat payday. Also the ACC need to get 8 to 10 teams a year in the NCAA, so they can start collecting lots NCAA units.

We can't because those bowls are already contractually bound to the SEC & Big XII (Sugar) and Pac12 & Big 10 (Rose).

We need someone in the playoff and in either the Peach or Fiesta.

(12-08-2014 08:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:02 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Next season , we need a ACC team to make either the Sugar or Rose bowl . So the conference can get another fat payday. Also the ACC need to get 8 to 10 teams a year in the NCAA, so they can start collecting lots NCAA units.

We can't because those bowls are already contractually bound to the SEC & Big XII (Sugar) and Pac12 & Big 10 (Rose).

We need someone in the playoff and in either the Peach or Fiesta.

we can get multiple teams in peach,cotton and fiesta.

this year counting playoff teams:
acc had 2
big 10 had 2
pac 12 had 2
big 12 had 2
sec had 3
g 5 had 1

that's probably close to normal year in regards to amount per conference in the big bowls.

(12-08-2014 06:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:10 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  does anyone know if all the school's met the NCAA required APR ? If they all met the APR, that's another 3,300,000 for the ACC.

As part of the base payout, each conference will receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

Know any good articles on that? I'd like to read up a little.

I can help with that one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../12734897/

"— As part of the base payout, each conference will receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)"

So basically every school with a minimum score should receive $300K. Or is the ACC going to split it evenly amongst schools even if they don't earn any? I mean, the ACC still shared bowl money with Miami and UNC even though they were ineligible to participate in bowls due to cheating scandals.

(12-08-2014 09:35 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  we can get multiple teams in peach,cotton and fiesta.

this year counting playoff teams:
acc had 2
big 10 had 2
pac 12 had 2
big 12 had 2
sec had 3
g 5 had 1

that's probably close to normal year in regards to amount per conference in the big bowls.

Next year, the Orange and Cotton are hosting the playoffs. Then, the Sugar will have teams from the SEC and Big 12. The Rose will have teams from the Pac-12 and the B1G. So, that leaves the Peach and Fiesta. The ACC and Go5 are guaranteed a spot in those bowls if they don't have a team in the playoffs. So, next year, there will be a minimum of 2 and maximum of 4 at-large spots for the Peach and/or Fiesta.

(12-08-2014 10:21 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:25 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:10 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  does anyone know if all the school's met the NCAA required APR ? If they all met the APR, that's another 3,300,000 for the ACC.

As part of the base payout, each conference will receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)

Know any good articles on that? I'd like to read up a little.

I can help with that one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../12734897/

"— As part of the base payout, each conference will receive $300,000 for each school that meets the NCAA's required APR for participation in a bowl game. (For example, if 10 teams met the requirement, a conference would receive $3 million.)"

So basically every school with a minimum score should receive $300K. Or is the ACC going to split it evenly amongst schools even if they don't earn any? I mean, the ACC still shared bowl money with Miami and UNC even though they were ineligible to participate in bowls due to cheating scandals.

If I remember correctly I think each school gets to keep it. This was a part of Swofford "tweaking" the revenue sharing model.

Schools should be able to keep 5-10% of their bowl/basketball money, too.

(12-08-2014 11:54 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Schools should be able to keep 5-10% of their bowl/basketball money, too.

Yup. The acc has to start incentivizing schools that compete.


You can do both....share revenue (a portion) AND reward those who compete.


ACC needs to make this happen.

(12-08-2014 07:02 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Next season , we need a ACC team to make either the Sugar or Rose bowl . So the conference can get another fat payday. Also the ACC need to get 8 to 10 teams a year in the NCAA, so they can start collecting lots NCAA units.

Next year it appears we lose $27.5 million from this year's pot with Orange part of the CFP. Meanwhile, each of the SEC, BiG, PAC, and Big12 get $40 million more with Sugar and Rose Bowls back in play.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-09-2014 12:18 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:02 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  Next season , we need a ACC team to make either the Sugar or Rose bowl . So the conference can get another fat payday. Also the ACC need to get 8 to 10 teams a year in the NCAA, so they can start collecting lots NCAA units.

Next year it appears we lose $27.5 million from this year's pot with Orange part of the CFP. Meanwhile, each of the SEC, BiG, PAC, and Big12 get $40 million more with Sugar and Rose Bowls back in play.

Cheers,
Neil

We really screwed up the OB negotiations. We should be $40+ and playing the best available team. That needs to change by the next round of negotiations. Fortunately, I think that will be well before the contract expires. I think that there will be an 8 team playoff fairly soon. When that happens, this will all have to be re-worked out.

I keep hearing fans of other conferences say they think the Sugar and Rose pay the $80M EVERY year, $40M to each contract conference. If true, the ACC would presumably get the money next year, but with no one to split it with.

Bear with me. It's a 3-year cycle. If what those other fans are saying is true, it would look like this:

Sugar Bowl: $40M + $40M + $40M = $120M 3-year total
Orange Bowl: $27.5M + $55M + $27.5m + $110M 3-year total*
* with the possibility of getting extra money twice in 12 years if Notre Dame plays

I don't know if that scenario is correct (won't know until financial numbers for NEXT YEAR are released), but if it is, that would mean all five P5's are on equal footing.

(12-09-2014 06:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I keep hearing fans of other conferences say they think the Sugar and Rose pay the $80M EVERY year, $40M to each contract conference.

Kristi Dosh doesn't show the Sugar and Rose as paying out the $80M this year.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/...e-payouts/

(12-09-2014 06:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I keep hearing fans of other conferences say they think the Sugar and Rose pay the $80M EVERY year, $40M to each contract conference. If true, the ACC would presumably get the money next year, but with no one to split it with.

Bear with me. It's a 3-year cycle. If what those other fans are saying is true, it would look like this:

Sugar Bowl: $40M + $40M + $40M = $120M 3-year total
Orange Bowl: $27.5M + $55M + $27.5m + $110M 3-year total*
* with the possibility of getting extra money twice in 12 years if Notre Dame plays

I don't know if that scenario is correct (won't know until financial numbers for NEXT YEAR are released), but if it is, that would mean all five P5's are on equal footing.

I have to believe that if this were the case that we would know all about it for the reasons I posted earlier in this thread. The ACC made certain to point out that in the years that Notre Dame gets in the Orange we get more money, I imagine that if we got all of the money in the scenario you describe there would have been something said about it already.

(12-09-2014 10:51 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 06:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I keep hearing fans of other conferences say they think the Sugar and Rose pay the $80M EVERY year, $40M to each contract conference. If true, the ACC would presumably get the money next year, but with no one to split it with.

Bear with me. It's a 3-year cycle. If what those other fans are saying is true, it would look like this:

Sugar Bowl: $40M + $40M + $40M = $120M 3-year total
Orange Bowl: $27.5M + $55M + $27.5m + $110M 3-year total*
* with the possibility of getting extra money twice in 12 years if Notre Dame plays

I don't know if that scenario is correct (won't know until financial numbers for NEXT YEAR are released), but if it is, that would mean all five P5's are on equal footing.

I have to believe that if this were the case that we would know all about it for the reasons I posted earlier in this thread. The ACC made certain to point out that in the years that Notre Dame gets in the Orange we get more money, I imagine that if we got all of the money in the scenario you describe there would have been something said about it already.

Yeah, you are probably right.

One thing just KEEPS bugging me though... the ACC didn't need to split the Orange Bowl money to get the best available team! I mean, if the ACC had kept $40M like the other P5's, they still could have paid out $15M, which is more than twice what the playoff pays (and kills any other bowl payout). So there must have been something more than just negotiation here - nobody is THAT BAD at negotiating. (No, not even John Swofford).