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Would you accept an offer to the Sun Belt to be football-only with a 5 year term and at the end of the 5 years either be added for all sports or kicked out?

I think that could be very advantageous for LU for them to show the Sun Belt that LU can be a "good" conference member and relieve some worry about Liberty's "extracurricular" activities. We'd punch our ticket to FBS for good and we would give ourselves time to get our basketball up to respectability.

This would be beneficial to the Sun Belt because they could feel us out as a pseudo-member that isn't long-term. In addition, if LU didn't work out, the 5 year window would give schools like EKU and MSU time to get FBS ready.

I'd do the deal but I don't think Liberty would. I think they would want to move all sports or at least have a permanent home for football.
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(12-30-2014 09:42 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Would you accept an offer to the Sun Belt to be football-only with a 5 year term and at the end of the 5 years either be added for all sports or kicked out?

I think that could be very advantageous for LU for them to show the Sun Belt that LU can be a "good" conference member and relieve some worry about Liberty's "extracurricular" activities. We'd punch our ticket to FBS for good and we would give ourselves time to get our basketball up to respectability.

This would be beneficial to the Sun Belt because they could feel us out as a pseudo-member that isn't long-term. In addition, if LU didn't work out, the 5 year window would give schools like EKU and MSU time to get FBS ready.

I'd do the deal but I don't think Liberty would. I think they would want to move all sports or at least have a permanent home for football.
If I was the AD at LU I would take the FB invite ONLY if that was my last and only option. You make valid points for the acceptance. Timing and being in a position to move into a conference within 5 years would be of paramount importance.

I think LU will challenge the NCAA with the threat of litigation if no invite comes in the next 3+ years. That suit would likely never happen as the NCAA could be expected to cave in and change the going independent rule allowing LU to become FBS without leaning on conferences to accept LU. I only think this is possible because of LU's resources. Is it ideal, no.

Let's hope the SBC comes calling soon. We'll become a good conference member, win some games and continue the upward spiral LU is on.
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(12-30-2014 11:38 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(12-30-2014 09:42 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Would you accept an offer to the Sun Belt to be football-only with a 5 year term and at the end of the 5 years either be added for all sports or kicked out?

I think that could be very advantageous for LU for them to show the Sun Belt that LU can be a "good" conference member and relieve some worry about Liberty's "extracurricular" activities. We'd punch our ticket to FBS for good and we would give ourselves time to get our basketball up to respectability.

This would be beneficial to the Sun Belt because they could feel us out as a pseudo-member that isn't long-term. In addition, if LU didn't work out, the 5 year window would give schools like EKU and MSU time to get FBS ready.

I'd do the deal but I don't think Liberty would. I think they would want to move all sports or at least have a permanent home for football.
If I was the AD at LU I would take the FB invite ONLY if that was my last and only option. You make valid points for the acceptance. Timing and being in a position to move into a conference within 5 years would be of paramount importance.

I think LU will challenge the NCAA with the threat of litigation if no invite comes in the next 3+ years. That suit would likely never happen as the NCAA could be expected to cave in and change the going independent rule allowing LU to become FBS without leaning on conferences to accept LU. I only think this is possible because of LU's resources. Is it ideal, no.

Let's hope the SBC comes calling soon. We'll become a good conference member, win some games and continue the upward spiral LU is on.

Litigation isn't a good idea. We don't want to be known as the school that used litigation to go FBS. If that happened other FBS conferences would want to avoid being associated with us. That or be fearful of being sued for them looking at us funny.
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(12-31-2014 02:02 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(12-30-2014 11:38 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(12-30-2014 09:42 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Would you accept an offer to the Sun Belt to be football-only with a 5 year term and at the end of the 5 years either be added for all sports or kicked out?

I think that could be very advantageous for LU for them to show the Sun Belt that LU can be a "good" conference member and relieve some worry about Liberty's "extracurricular" activities. We'd punch our ticket to FBS for good and we would give ourselves time to get our basketball up to respectability.

This would be beneficial to the Sun Belt because they could feel us out as a pseudo-member that isn't long-term. In addition, if LU didn't work out, the 5 year window would give schools like EKU and MSU time to get FBS ready.

I'd do the deal but I don't think Liberty would. I think they would want to move all sports or at least have a permanent home for football.
If I was the AD at LU I would take the FB invite ONLY if that was my last and only option. You make valid points for the acceptance. Timing and being in a position to move into a conference within 5 years would be of paramount importance.

I think LU will challenge the NCAA with the threat of litigation if no invite comes in the next 3+ years. That suit would likely never happen as the NCAA could be expected to cave in and change the going independent rule allowing LU to become FBS without leaning on conferences to accept LU. I only think this is possible because of LU's resources. Is it ideal, no.

Let's hope the SBC comes calling soon. We'll become a good conference member, win some games and continue the upward spiral LU is on.

Litigation isn't a good idea. We don't want to be known as the school that used litigation to go FBS. If that happened other FBS conferences would want to avoid being associated with us. That or be fearful of being sued for them looking at us funny.
If it ever became part of the discussion, the NCAA would likely give in if LU brought it up to the NCAA. If presented in the proper light, it would show the discriminatory manner in how the current process is against a school that meets all the criteria but still does not receive an invite. Litigation is the last resort when all others have been exhausted. Schools and conferences would be less effected. The governing body that establishes the invite rule would be the group being held accountable.

One may find support from several other schools rather than fear and resistance from all. Again, only as a last resort. Invited membership by far the best.
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That's a good point. Litigation may not even be necessary. Just presenting our case would make a strong argument.

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(12-31-2014 12:06 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  That's a good point. Litigation may not even be necessary. Just presenting our case would make a strong argument.

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The antiquated process in place is riddled with inconsistently. A set of guidelines that is uniform for all should be the criteria, not an invite. The invite has likely contributed to the exodus of teams from conferences and the realignment shuffle.
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I don't understand why schools are limited from moving up to FBS. It costs so much money and resources to run a FBS program that you must have the support to do sustain yourself or else you'd be back to FCS. If the P5 conferences don't want more mouths to feed with regards to handing out playoff money, then only give the money to the G5 conferences and have them distribute it to their conference members and leave the independents nothing. With the full cost of attending increasing expenses then more and more schools will be looking to move down instead of up.
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Do you think Liberty could make it as an independent? I am not sure. You have to have how many home games a year against FBS teams... 4 I believe? I am not certain we can get teams into Lynchburg with that consistency without being in a conference.
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I asked that question on flames fans and got hammered. I think it's a legitimate question. It would be tough for sure, but liberty has never gone the conventional route.

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(01-02-2015 03:18 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I asked that question on flames fans and got hammered. I think it's a legitimate question. It would be tough for sure, but liberty has never gone the conventional route.

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If LU was to get an invite, case closed. If no invite, what's next. Wait until one comes. If so, how long do we wait? How long do we wait until we state changes need to occur from the NCAA or we are going to challenge them? I just don't see LU waiting indefinitely when they have meet all the criteria and they can't move up without an invite. This NCAA rule is weak, non-defensible and will be shown to be discriminatory if challenged. If facilities are in place, if we meet the attendance and academic qualifications (if any), then let me independent if no one wants to invite us. The NCAA must change it's guidelines for this to happen. And it better.
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I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
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(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
CAA? I hope that was a typo. Why in the world would we want to join the Big South 2. Tell me you're joking.
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(01-02-2015 06:15 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
CAA? I hope that was a typo. Why in the world would we want to join the Big South 2. Tell me you're joking.

What's wrong with the CAA's olympic sports? Look at their men's basketball RPI and compare that the the Big South's. You can't tell me the Big South is better and has never been better. Is the Big South better at any sport than the CAA?
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(01-02-2015 06:27 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 06:15 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
CAA? I hope that was a typo. Why in the world would we want to join the Big South 2. Tell me you're joking.

What's wrong with the CAA's olympic sports? Look at their men's basketball RPI and compare that the the Big South's. You can't tell me the Big South is better and has never been better. Is the Big South better at any sport than the CAA?
I never said that the BSC was better than the CAA. I called the CAA the BS2 Yes they are a slight upgrade to the BSC. But that is shortsighted thinking to desire to go to the CAA. With all the conscious choices and actions LU has made and their overt intention to go FBs, why in the world would any FCS conference have any merit to any discussion. That would be a stop gap measure rather than a calculated, wise move. If you want to play with the big boys then you have to be with the big boys. Slugging through the CAA, SoCo, BSC, or any other, with clear intention to FBS is, well nuts. Crazy. Loco.
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I think you may have misunderstood. I think he meant the Olympic sports would move there while football was FBS.

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(01-02-2015 07:40 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 06:27 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 06:15 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
CAA? I hope that was a typo. Why in the world would we want to join the Big South 2. Tell me you're joking.

What's wrong with the CAA's olympic sports? Look at their men's basketball RPI and compare that the the Big South's. You can't tell me the Big South is better and has never been better. Is the Big South better at any sport than the CAA?
I never said that the BSC was better than the CAA. I called the CAA the BS2 Yes they are a slight upgrade to the BSC. But that is shortsighted thinking to desire to go to the CAA. With all the conscious choices and actions LU has made and their overt intention to go FBs, why in the world would any FCS conference have any merit to any discussion. That would be a stop gap measure rather than a calculated, wise move. If you want to play with the big boys then you have to be with the big boys. Slugging through the CAA, SoCo, BSC, or any other, with clear intention to FBS is, well nuts. Crazy. Loco.

I think we aren't on the same page. I wouldn't go to the CAA if it was for all sports but my argument is that if LU had football go FBS independent and we couldn't stay in the Big South, then the Big East, A10, and CAA would all be good options (if unlikely) for our Olympic sports.
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(01-02-2015 08:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 07:40 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 06:27 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 06:15 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Liberty could survive as an independent but it would be hard, and a last resort. It would be hard to fill out a schedule while schools are playing conference games during October and November. But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility. These aren't exactly schools we'd want to be in a conference together with but we'd have to schedule them out of necessity as an independent.

I think schools would want to schedule Liberty since they are in a solid recruiting area, have good facilities, and have a decent market of Roanoke/Lynchburg while being near several others. Not to mention our growing alumni base which is being expedited by the online program.

I should say that I think LU can survive as an FBS independent if their other sports have a conference. So as long as the Big South keeps us (I don't see why not) or we miraculously get into something like the Big East, A10, or CAA then we'd be okay.
CAA? I hope that was a typo. Why in the world would we want to join the Big South 2. Tell me you're joking.

What's wrong with the CAA's olympic sports? Look at their men's basketball RPI and compare that the the Big South's. You can't tell me the Big South is better and has never been better. Is the Big South better at any sport than the CAA?
I never said that the BSC was better than the CAA. I called the CAA the BS2 Yes they are a slight upgrade to the BSC. But that is shortsighted thinking to desire to go to the CAA. With all the conscious choices and actions LU has made and their overt intention to go FBs, why in the world would any FCS conference have any merit to any discussion. That would be a stop gap measure rather than a calculated, wise move. If you want to play with the big boys then you have to be with the big boys. Slugging through the CAA, SoCo, BSC, or any other, with clear intention to FBS is, well nuts. Crazy. Loco.

I think we aren't on the same page. I wouldn't go to the CAA if it was for all sports but my argument is that if LU had football go FBS independent and we couldn't stay in the Big South, then the Big East, A10, and CAA would all be good options (if unlikely) for our Olympic sports.
Thanks for qualifying that point. If LU went Indy in FB, staying in the BSC would seem acceptable. Not quite sure if there would be any noticeable advantage changing FCS conferences for the olympic sports. Now if we could play basketball in the A10 that would be a huge upgrade.
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The A10? Ha! We'd be lucky to even get a look from the A Sun! 03-lmfao
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(01-02-2015 11:35 PM)army56mike Wrote:  The A10? Ha! We'd be lucky to even get a look from the A Sun! 03-lmfao
ArmyMike, the CAA/A10 BB mention was reply to the previous posts of what would be a hopeful affiliation for the olympic sports if LU was in FB indy or with a FB only invite. Compared to your wish list of who you would like to have as a future MBB a schedule and the A10 mention, the A10 wish seems a lot closer.

We do agree of where the current MBB program languishes at the present time. Let's hope they can win at home today against Presbyterian. I have little to no confidence with this team/coach.
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(01-02-2015 05:28 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  But with UMass, Army, and BYU being independent without any scheduling agreements like Notre Dame, I think Liberty can get them on board with home-home match ups. Soon NMSU and Idaho could join as independents which allows for more scheduling flexibility.

I don't think LU would have any chance at getting a home/home with Notre Dame. I can't remember the last time Notre Dame played a road game against a non-high profile or historic rival team. I would never count on a ND game. They might host us there as a "sure win" game.

BYU did go to MTSU this past season. But I am not sure they are very willing to play those types of games on the road regularly. They would be a better option than ND, but I still find it hard to imagine they would come to Lynchburg until LU was more established and competitive.

UMass is in a state of crisis. They would, most likely, gladly sign a long term home/home series deal with LU if we made it to FBS.

NMSU and Idaho have a full slate of SBC games and don't really need to worry to much. I am not assuming they will be asked to leave the SBC and become independent. But of any of the FBS teams, yes, they'd be most likely to sign home/home series with us out of necessity.

Regarding home games, I think Liberty would need to be willing to shell out some real cash (or other incentives) to draw teams to our campus initially.
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