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RE: Liberty vs. Presby fiasco
Don't want to be debbie downer, but this season he's played 4 minutes at Marquette.

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I'm just saying be careful what you ask for. Dale Layer is a great coach and we may not find a better answer willing to come. Liberty has had a lot of coaches since Jeff Meyer left and no good answer yet. So don't expect a firing or new hiring to be a magic program changer.
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In not sure if layer is a great coach or not, but his downfall has been his lack of recruiting success.

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(01-08-2015 04:49 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Dale Layer is a great coach and we may not find a better answer.

But he isn't remotely a winning coach. To thrive as an NCAA program you really need to be both.
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RE: Liberty vs. Presby fiasco
(01-08-2015 04:49 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I'm just saying be careful what you ask for. Dale Layer is a great coach and we may not find a better answer willing to come. Liberty has had a lot of coaches since Jeff Meyer left and no good answer yet. So don't expect a firing or new hiring to be a magic program changer.
KH, you make so many good comments on this and other BBS boards here. I am just following your comment here. Are you the saying that Layer is the best coach for LU? Not quite sure why you have this view of Layer, or the fear that if we make a coaching change we will be worse off. You multiple mentions "be careful what you ask for" indicates you want to stay status quo. Please clarify.
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(01-08-2015 06:54 PM)army56mike Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 04:49 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  Dale Layer is a great coach and we may not find a better answer.

But he isn't remotely a winning coach. To thrive as an NCAA program you really need to be both.
Perfecto!
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As a Liberty fan since 1987, I've seen it all. We have not been able to find that bb coach who can recruit to LU and turn the corner. I just think he's a better coach then the circumstances indicate and am not sure there is someone who'd come and would do better. Ceartainly hard to find a better Liberty guy who would stay for a while. It's optimist paired with cynic.
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(01-08-2015 08:48 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  As a Liberty fan since 1987, I've seen it all. We have not been able to find that bb coach who can recruit to LU and turn the corner. I just think he's a better coach then the circumstances indicate and am not sure there is someone who'd come and would do better. Ceartainly hard to find a better Liberty guy who would stay for a while. It's optimist paired with cynic.
Letting go a good guy, who supports the program, whose been a good example of what a college coach should be is a tough decision. We can all agree on the quality of the person. Like you, I've been watching LU athletics a very long time. It's time to give Layer his acknowledgment and thanks for his efforts. It's a sad time, but it's time.
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LU 54, UNC ASheville 71
An another unfortunate loss for the men's basketball team.
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We could definitely do worse than Layer. But honestly, the program is as bad as it will ever be barring a scandal and/or sanctions. To avoid further damage it would be wise to roll the dice on someone else even if he (or she I suppose) could turn out as bad as Layer. He has won a Big South tournament game one year with the rest being one and done right? His NCAA tournament "run" did not spark the program. We should be thriving on the recruits from that trip right now but instead we're dead last in the RPI of the entire Division 1. Not to mention we have the easiest schedule in the land so we should be winning more games than we have.
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(01-08-2015 10:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  We could definitely do worse than Layer. But honestly, the program is as bad as it will ever be barring a scandal and/or sanctions. To avoid further damage it would be wise to roll the dice on someone else even if he (or she I suppose) could turn out as bad as Layer. He has won a Big South tournament game one year with the rest being one and done right? His NCAA tournament "run" did not spark the program. We should be thriving on the recruits from that trip right now but instead we're dead last in the RPI of the entire Division 1. Not to mention we have the easiest schedule in the land so we should be winning more games than we have.
Coastal RPI, LU 351. Will LU break 50?
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So it turns out that losing doesn't improve the RPI for Liberty. We're still at 351.
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(01-11-2015 05:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So it turns out that losing doesn't improve the RPI for Liberty. We're still at 351.
As one who has beat the drum for an immediate change, I've softened my stance after the injury of Rettic. Layer needs to have the team play for pride as victories will be few this year.
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(01-11-2015 05:44 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 05:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So it turns out that losing doesn't improve the RPI for Liberty. We're still at 351.
As one who has beat the drum for an immediate change, I've softened my stance after the injury of Rettic. Layer needs to have the team play for pride as victories will be few this year.

Liberty has had some bad luck with injuries this year. We've lost our leading scorer, top freshman, and assist leader and starting point guard. That said, this year isn't any different from the last couple of years. And after our tournament run, we should have had a relatively good recruiting class which should be ready to provide meaningful minutes right now and provide solid depth at minimum.
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(01-11-2015 06:54 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 05:44 PM)Newetimes Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 05:32 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So it turns out that losing doesn't improve the RPI for Liberty. We're still at 351.
As one who has beat the drum for an immediate change, I've softened my stance after the injury of Rettic. Layer needs to have the team play for pride as victories will be few this year.

Liberty has had some bad luck with injuries this year. We've lost our leading scorer, top freshman, and assist leader and starting point guard. That said, this year isn't any different from the last couple of years. And after our tournament run, we should have had a relatively good recruiting class which should be ready to provide meaningful minutes right now and provide solid depth at minimum.
With 14 regular season games remaining, we'll win a few having an on night and the opposite team having an off night. I hope Layer, being the good guy that he appears, will keep the morale as high as he can and impress upon them to keep playing hard. The test of moral and quality character is how one deals with loss and disappointment rather than with winning and ease. We really gain more and grown exponentially when we have strong adversity in life. It's the push back that makes us stronger rather than the pleasant experiences of life.
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I agree. If we don't learn anything from this season then it will be a waste. We need to learn and get better from this and use it to grow. Don't feel sorry for ourselves but use it as motivation.
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Former LU broadcaster Scarborough weighs in on Layer
With all the brouhaha about LU BB, checked FF tonight. Was surprised to see Scarborough making strong statements about Layer saying he's got to go after the season. As a broadcaster for the ASN, is this appropriate? On another note, I did not care for his on air presence and like the current broadcaster team much better.
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CA 74, Liberty 48 3:15 to go
Another loss. Watching this one shows how more athletic teams are than Liberty. We simply do not have athletes equal to teams in the Big South, which is one of the weakest conferences. I'm watching to support the team and continue to root for them knowing this year will be one to remind ourselves of our low point and how far we've got to go. Update 80-58 CSU. We did break 50.
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Does anyone think there is any way that Layer is retained? If he had another NCAA appearance would we keep him? Would anyone want to keep him?
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(01-15-2015 05:31 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Does anyone think there is any way that Layer is retained? If he had another NCAA appearance would we keep him? Would anyone want to keep him?
Thanks Dale for being a good guy, but no, no way can he be brought back under any circumstances.
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