(01-09-2015 10:46 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Ga St. would be a disaster add.....Akron would be all of the same with market and proven success on the courts and field.....I think they are also building a new arena at some point....Went to their gym to watch Lebron in high school, while it was high schoolish it has to be much better than a Parks and REc gym Georgia St. has...WKU has better basketball courts for our students that Ga. St. gym....

Akron is investing 30 million in their existing arena. For that kind of money, it should see some pretty significant improvement.

Akron + Ohio would be a quality pair.

(01-09-2015 04:12 AM)Rojogrande Wrote:  Space in downtown Atlanta isn't exactly easy to come by. And GSU no where close to being able to deliver even 1/100 of that Atlanta market everyone wants. Market does no good when teams mean little in those markets.

You all really want to take a chance on a program like GSU that has little to no history of sustained success just on the hope that they might become the next UCF? If they don't you can't boot them and then you still have no market value and a bad product. Best option is going with a proven product. One that has proven commitment over time to success. And not just a few years here and there.

All that matters is what the TV contract recognizes as their "market." If they bring all of us TV dollars because Fox sees them as having the Atlanta market, they bring value to the conference. That said, I'd prefer Ohio or Akron.

Ohio, Miami, Toledo, Kent State, Western Michigan and Bowling Green likely stick together as they are the original six MAC programs. Those programs have been in the MAC since 1946. Those six schools have always called the shots in the MAC. Marshall was the 7th MAC member in the 1950's and 60's...Lots of drama between Marshall and those original six schools thru the years. The fights on the field and off the field with schools turning Marshall into the NCAA for rules violations.

A consistently missed point beyond the scheduling and future expansion is the hideous attendance for MBB
ATTENDANCE
Team | HOME GAMES Avg | AWAY GAMES Avg | NEUT GAMES Avg | ALL GAMES Avg |
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Charlotte | 4-18706 4676 | 6-24492 4082 | 4-15235 3809 | 14-58433 4174 |
FIU | 3-3827 1276 | 10-33751 3375 | 2-688 344 | 15-38266 2551 |
Florida Atlantic | 6-6373 1062 | 7-17146 2449 | 0-0 0 | 13-23519 1809 |
Louisiana Tech | 7-17653 2522 | 8-58674 7334 | 0-0 0 | 15-76327 5088 |
Marshall | 9-44744 4972 | 5-34714 6943 | 1-10749 10749 | 15-90207 6014 |
Middle Tennessee | 8-29184 3648 | 5-17617 3523 | 2-2415 1208 | 15-49216 3281 |
North Texas | 10-21531 2153 | 4-27586 6896 | 0-0 0 | 14-49117 3508 |
Old Dominion | 8-53921 6740 | 3-13462 4487 | 3-2005 668 | 14-69388 4956 |
Rice | 7-12003 1715 | 4-18270 4568 | 2-4920 2460 | 13-35193 2707 |
Southern Miss | 7-22499 3214 | 6-22427 3738 | 0-0 0 | 13-44926 3456 |
UAB | 9-24846 2761 | 3-25338 8446 | 3-5558 1853 | 15-55742 3716 |
UTEP | 8-67660 8458 | 4-16274 4068 | 3-2191 730 | 15-86125 5742 |
UTSA | 7-5779 826 | 6-11040 1840 | 0-0 0 | 13-16819 1294 |
WKU | 9-36920 4102 | 4-25019 6255 | 1-1266 1266 | 14-63205 4515 |
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Totals | 102-365646 3585 | 75-345810 4611 | 21-45027 2144 | 198-756483 3821 |

UTSA: 826 fans @game; Rice 1715 @ game; FIU 1276; FAU 1062...just terrible...and only 2 schools 5000+ on average
Exactly what schools want to join from these numbers?

(01-09-2015 01:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Ohio, Miami, Toledo, Kent State, Western Michigan and Bowling Green likely stick together as they are the original six MAC programs. Those programs have been in the MAC since 1946. Those six schools have always called the shots in the MAC. Marshall was the 7th MAC member in the 1950's and 60's...Lots of drama between Marshall and those original six schools thru the years. The fights on the field and off the field with schools turning Marshall into the NCAA for rules violations.

Go right ahead....."stick together" as you would say if that's what you prefer. Besides, we want schools that want to improve, expand and get better as a group to prop up our conference as the best non P5 conference in America. We are there in football now. A little bit of work on basketball and we could start getting 3-4 bids a year. I think we'll get two in this year. (ODU/UTEP) and possibly a 3rd with WKU.

(01-09-2015 01:57 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  A consistently missed point beyond the scheduling and future expansion is the hideous attendance for MBB
ATTENDANCE
Team | HOME GAMES Avg | AWAY GAMES Avg | NEUT GAMES Avg | ALL GAMES Avg |
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Charlotte | 4-18706 4676 | 6-24492 4082 | 4-15235 3809 | 14-58433 4174 |
FIU | 3-3827 1276 | 10-33751 3375 | 2-688 344 | 15-38266 2551 |
Florida Atlantic | 6-6373 1062 | 7-17146 2449 | 0-0 0 | 13-23519 1809 |
Louisiana Tech | 7-17653 2522 | 8-58674 7334 | 0-0 0 | 15-76327 5088 |
Marshall | 9-44744 4972 | 5-34714 6943 | 1-10749 10749 | 15-90207 6014 |
Middle Tennessee | 8-29184 3648 | 5-17617 3523 | 2-2415 1208 | 15-49216 3281 |
North Texas | 10-21531 2153 | 4-27586 6896 | 0-0 0 | 14-49117 3508 |
Old Dominion | 8-53921 6740 | 3-13462 4487 | 3-2005 668 | 14-69388 4956 |
Rice | 7-12003 1715 | 4-18270 4568 | 2-4920 2460 | 13-35193 2707 |
Southern Miss | 7-22499 3214 | 6-22427 3738 | 0-0 0 | 13-44926 3456 |
UAB | 9-24846 2761 | 3-25338 8446 | 3-5558 1853 | 15-55742 3716 |
UTEP | 8-67660 8458 | 4-16274 4068 | 3-2191 730 | 15-86125 5742 |
UTSA | 7-5779 826 | 6-11040 1840 | 0-0 0 | 13-16819 1294 |
WKU | 9-36920 4102 | 4-25019 6255 | 1-1266 1266 | 14-63205 4515 |
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Totals | 102-365646 3585 | 75-345810 4611 | 21-45027 2144 | 198-756483 3821 |

UTSA: 826 fans @game; Rice 1715 @ game; FIU 1276; FAU 1062...just terrible...and only 2 schools 5000+ on average
Exactly what schools want to join from these numbers?

Texas St. and Georgia St. would fit right in to middle and lower tier attendance totals...

ODU's attendance will certainly be in the 8,000 range before year end.

(01-09-2015 02:20 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 01:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Ohio, Miami, Toledo, Kent State, Western Michigan and Bowling Green likely stick together as they are the original six MAC programs. Those programs have been in the MAC since 1946. Those six schools have always called the shots in the MAC. Marshall was the 7th MAC member in the 1950's and 60's...Lots of drama between Marshall and those original six schools thru the years. The fights on the field and off the field with schools turning Marshall into the NCAA for rules violations.

Go right ahead....."stick together" as you would say if that's what you prefer. Besides, we want schools that want to improve, expand and get better as a group to prop up our conference as the best non P5 conference in America. We are there in football now. A little bit of work on basketball and we could start getting 3-4 bids a year. I think we'll get two in this year. (ODU/UTEP) and possibly a 3rd with WKU.

ODU is the only shot we have at an at large.

UTEP, La Tech, and WKU didn't do enough OOC to earn an at large bid.

Go right ahead....."stick together" as you would say if that's what you prefer. Besides, we want schools that want to improve, expand and get better as a group to prop up our conference as the best non P5 conference in America. We are there in football now. A little bit of work on basketball and we could start getting 3-4 bids a year. I think we'll get two in this year. (ODU/UTEP) and possibly a 3rd with WKU.
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You do know that we lost to Latech badly yesterday, right? I'd be very surprised to see us garner an ncaa invite.

(01-09-2015 01:57 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  A consistently missed point beyond the scheduling and future expansion is the hideous attendance for MBB
ATTENDANCE
Team | HOME GAMES Avg | AWAY GAMES Avg | NEUT GAMES Avg | ALL GAMES Avg |
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Charlotte | 4-18706 4676 | 6-24492 4082 | 4-15235 3809 | 14-58433 4174 |
FIU | 3-3827 1276 | 10-33751 3375 | 2-688 344 | 15-38266 2551 |
Florida Atlantic | 6-6373 1062 | 7-17146 2449 | 0-0 0 | 13-23519 1809 |
Louisiana Tech | 7-17653 2522 | 8-58674 7334 | 0-0 0 | 15-76327 5088 |
Marshall | 9-44744 4972 | 5-34714 6943 | 1-10749 10749 | 15-90207 6014 |
Middle Tennessee | 8-29184 3648 | 5-17617 3523 | 2-2415 1208 | 15-49216 3281 |
North Texas | 10-21531 2153 | 4-27586 6896 | 0-0 0 | 14-49117 3508 |
Old Dominion | 8-53921 6740 | 3-13462 4487 | 3-2005 668 | 14-69388 4956 |
Rice | 7-12003 1715 | 4-18270 4568 | 2-4920 2460 | 13-35193 2707 |
Southern Miss | 7-22499 3214 | 6-22427 3738 | 0-0 0 | 13-44926 3456 |
UAB | 9-24846 2761 | 3-25338 8446 | 3-5558 1853 | 15-55742 3716 |
UTEP | 8-67660 8458 | 4-16274 4068 | 3-2191 730 | 15-86125 5742 |
UTSA | 7-5779 826 | 6-11040 1840 | 0-0 0 | 13-16819 1294 |
WKU | 9-36920 4102 | 4-25019 6255 | 1-1266 1266 | 14-63205 4515 |
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Totals | 102-365646 3585 | 75-345810 4611 | 21-45027 2144 | 198-756483 3821 |

UTSA: 826 fans @game; Rice 1715 @ game; FIU 1276; FAU 1062...just terrible...and only 2 schools 5000+ on average
Exactly what schools want to join from these numbers?

I'm not sure I understand why this is important? Maybe I'm missing your point, are you saying that getting a team to join CUSA from the Sunbelt or MAC will be difficult because CUSA schools don't have high basketball attendance?

(01-07-2015 06:21 PM)10miners Wrote:  Keep UAB in Basketball and then invite Florida Gulf Coast basketball only then invite Army for Football and Basketball.

I agree, but add Belmont, Murray St., FGCU/Wich St., and So. Al. all sports. 18 in basketball, 18 SOLID teams with local clusters of schools. 1st post, woot.

If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

If we can get a MAC team to join CUSA I'd say switch to North/South alignment

North
Marshall
MAC Team
WKU
MTSU
ODU
UNCC
FAU

South
FIU
N. Tx
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
La Tech
So. Miss

Alignment works for ULL too.

(01-09-2015 07:15 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

Charlotte generally has better attendance, however our poor play last few years has eroded the fan base. All it takes one good year and Charlotte with be back to 6-7k/game.

(01-09-2015 07:15 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

Marshall and Charlotte would be averaging >6,000 fans per game too if we were 12-1.

The fact that Marshall is almost at 5,000 despite being absolutely terrible for 2 or 3 years in a row is amazing.

(01-09-2015 11:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 07:15 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

Marshall and Charlotte would be averaging >6,000 fans per game too if we were 12-1.

The fact that Marshall is almost at 5,000 despite being absolutely terrible for 2 or 3 years in a row is amazing.

Not trying to impede on your grandstanding, but aren't you Charlotte guys already 0-2 in CUSA play?

(01-09-2015 11:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 07:15 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

Marshall and Charlotte would be averaging >6,000 fans per game too if we were 12-1.

The fact that Marshall is almost at 5,000 despite being absolutely terrible for 2 or 3 years in a row is amazing.

Support in football or basketball has never been a problem at Marshall for either sport. We had several stale years in football and still managed 27K a game those years.

(01-09-2015 07:23 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  If we can get a MAC team to join CUSA I'd say switch to North/South alignment

North
Marshall
MAC Team
WKU
MTSU
ODU
UNCC
FAU

South
FIU
N. Tx
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
La Tech
So. Miss

Alignment works for ULL too.

The division games would be bus trips except Florida.

(01-10-2015 12:57 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 11:38 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 07:15 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  If the fans don't care, I doubt the schools care any more than their supporters. It tells me that ODU and UTEP should distance themselves from the rest and find partners that care about MBB. Replacing those schools with other low attendance programs should be be easy.

Marshall and Charlotte would be averaging >6,000 fans per game too if we were 12-1.

The fact that Marshall is almost at 5,000 despite being absolutely terrible for 2 or 3 years in a row is amazing.

Not trying to impede on your grandstanding, but aren't you Charlotte guys already 0-2 in CUSA play?

yes, but that has nothing to do with my statement.

We haven't been good in 10 years and we're still near the top of the league in attendance. We averaged over 6,000 until we moved to CUSA.

The move to CUSA was the final straw for a lot of our basketball fans and our season ticket sales are less than half what they used to be.

We would easily average over 6,000 again if we had a good record like ODU does. If we would actually make it to the tournament, we'd probably be up to 7000ish again.

Many schools in this conference could be 12-1 like ODU and still be sub-4000.