(01-14-2015 11:59 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:51 AM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  I needed a refresher on the whole lawsuit conversation.

Flashback fun for those that need a refresher too

(2003.07.01) Lawsuit against ACC, Miami moves forward
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...suit_x.htm

(2003.10.14) Four Big East schools file lawsuit against Boston College, ACC
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/fou...ollege-acc

(2011.09.21) UConn may not get an ACC invite, but it won't be because of the 2003 lawsuit
http://www.theuconnblog.com/2011/9/19/24...nt-lawsuit

what was the result of that suit?

Someone more knowledgeable than me might be able to respond in greater detail...but ultimately I beleive all the lawsuits were withdrawn or found to be without merit. And of course as we know BC, VT, and Miami all went happily off to the ACC.

From one of the articles:

The case against the ACC was thrown out because attorneys could
not prove the conference did enough business in Connecticut to
warrant a state suit. By suing the conference directors as
individuals, Big East schools hope they can get around the
jurisdiction issue.

(01-14-2015 11:23 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 10:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:55 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  Wondering if BE4evah works for Hartford Courant??

I'm wondering if he is Jeff Jacobs.

For months, I thought he was a Providence fan. However, I have very solid reasons for thinking that this is a Louisville poster who also uses another screen name as his main user name.

It's not me, despite my UConn hate...but, I do like the cut of this guy's jib. Definitely saved me a lot of time and energy trolling.

(01-14-2015 12:20 PM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:59 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:51 AM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  I needed a refresher on the whole lawsuit conversation.

Flashback fun for those that need a refresher too

(2003.07.01) Lawsuit against ACC, Miami moves forward
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...suit_x.htm

(2003.10.14) Four Big East schools file lawsuit against Boston College, ACC
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/fou...ollege-acc

(2011.09.21) UConn may not get an ACC invite, but it won't be because of the 2003 lawsuit
http://www.theuconnblog.com/2011/9/19/24...nt-lawsuit

what was the result of that suit?

Someone more knowledgeable than me might be able to respond in greater detail...but ultimately I beleive all the lawsuits were withdrawn or found to be without merit. And of course as we know BC, VT, and Miami all went happily off to the ACC.

From one of the articles:

The case against the ACC was thrown out because attorneys could
not prove the conference did enough business in Connecticut to
warrant a state suit. By suing the conference directors as
individuals, Big East schools hope they can get around the
jurisdiction issue.

WOW, this is news to me. The old saying "nothing personal" cant be used in this situation because all of the lawsuits made it personal when they went after these guys personally.

(01-13-2015 11:14 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  An insightful column from Jeff Jacobs of the Hartford Courant, exploring many of the issues we have discussed here. Mr. Jacobs has the Uconn AD and President on speed dial. He is without peer when it comes to Uconn shaping opinion when it concerns About Uconn athletics. Just an incredible writer. This piece is almost written in a cathartic style.

Some snippets:



Sitting here in Connecticut, witnessing all that glitz and glamour, didn't we feel waaaaay closer to the Yankee Conference than a Power Five Conference?
...
And for the first time — yes, the first time — since the state's flagship university decided to play the big boys game of Division I-A football in the late 1990s, I'm wondering if it is worth it.
...
Yet as we all know, the rules changed. In 1997, we couldn't have foreseen the seismic conference shifts. So I'm in the gray area now. More than a few emails have come my way the past two years advocating that UConn either go independent or drop football so the school can get back to Big East basketball. My response has always been the same: Pshaw!

I saw the talk as either overly basketball-centric or destructive to a necessary blueprint to fuel the athletic program. Now I see it as healthy discourse, something to be debated over months and years, not weeks and days, but something no longer to be dismissed in toto.

...
It strikes me that Boston College, so set against UConn joining the ACC, is getting what it wants. UConn is slowly being bled dry.


http://www.courant.com/hartnews-jeff-jac...staff.html

I don't get the continual dissing of UConn.

Connecticut is the defending National Champion. Their recruiting is still outstanding. They're in a conference that will get 4-5 bids regularly. They have an excellent fanbase and are in one of the wealthiest states in the country.

With UConn and the Big East... both know that there would be interest except for the 800 lb football elephant in the room. It won't happen, but if UConn dropped football, they'd get an invitation to the Big East the same day.

Just my opinion here as a someone from the northeast...
... if the B1G or the ACC want to try to "get" NY City... if they are actually serious about NYC (more than just blustering and posturing about it)... then they should absolutely invite UConn. Since UConn is still on the outside, it tells me that either (1) neither conference is really serious about NYC, or (2) the people running each conference are clueless about NYC metro...

Selfishly, as a Big East fan that wants to maintain our hold on NYC and the northeast, I don't want the ACC to invite UConn... a UConn invite to the ACC worries me way more than the ACC Tourney playing in Brooklyn... actually the Barclays tourney (and the B1G in MSG the week before) actually helps the BE perception-wise.

Just my two cents...

I don't think right now UConn would make the move- but I think where it happens is if the AAC loses schools. I think at that point- the basketball folks at UConn would really start making a whole lot more of a stink about things.

Right now- the AAC is looking like a 4 and if things went really right maybe a 5 bid conference this year. Ironically, UConn is probably the team most on the bubble of the 5.

UConn would have been a better fit in the ACC than Louisville. Shame that it didn't happen.

(01-14-2015 01:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think right now UConn would make the move- but I think where it happens is if the AAC loses schools. I think at that point- the basketball folks at UConn would really start making a whole lot more of a stink about things.

Right now- the AAC is looking like a 4 and if things went really right maybe a 5 bid conference this year. Ironically, UConn is probably the team most on the bubble of the 5.

A 10 or 11 loss UConn Team still gets a chance to defend their title. I think someone else get pushed out of the field from the AAC even if they have a better record.

I don't see the AAC with 5 spots in any scenario. Hope I'm wrong.

I agree that this conversation isn't about making fun of a school or a fan base. In some ways, the Courant article lays out the biggest of pictures for schools in the non power conferences. Just like the UMass editorial in the Boston Globe last week, UAB, etc. it is just a recognition that the dynamic has changed.

While anti-Uconn people will pile on like the BC people

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2015/1/14/...e-football

this conversation is more than just about Uconn, although Uconn is the poster child for schools harmed by realignment.

I still find it awfully coincidental that the Uconn insider revealed that Uconn approached the Big East, and now the biggest name in sports reporting that covers Uconn floats the same idea, all on the heels of that article last month from the same Courant saying realignment is not over in the short term (with all the allusions to Cincy packing its bags).

(01-14-2015 02:07 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  I agree that this conversation isn't about making fun of a school or a fan base. In some ways, the Courant article lays out the biggest of pictures for schools in the non power conferences. Just like the UMass editorial in the Boston Globe last week, UAB, etc. it is just a recognition that the dynamic has changed.

While anti-Uconn people will pile on like the BC people

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2015/1/14/...e-football

this conversation is more than just about Uconn, although Uconn is the poster child for schools harmed by realignment.

I still find it awfully coincidental that the Uconn insider revealed that Uconn approached the Big East, and now the biggest name in sports reporting that covers Uconn floats the same idea, all on the heels of that article last month from the same Courant saying realignment is not over in the short term (with all the allusions to Cincy packing its bags).

What BC people are "piling on" here? Or anyplace else in response to this article for that matter?

Look, the whole BC - Uconn thing was like a very bad divorce, IMO. Bridges were burned. Once it's over, it's best to move on.

(01-14-2015 12:20 PM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:59 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:51 AM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  I needed a refresher on the whole lawsuit conversation.

Flashback fun for those that need a refresher too

(2003.07.01) Lawsuit against ACC, Miami moves forward
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...suit_x.htm

(2003.10.14) Four Big East schools file lawsuit against Boston College, ACC
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/fou...ollege-acc

(2011.09.21) UConn may not get an ACC invite, but it won't be because of the 2003 lawsuit
http://www.theuconnblog.com/2011/9/19/24...nt-lawsuit

what was the result of that suit?

Someone more knowledgeable than me might be able to respond in greater detail...but ultimately I beleive all the lawsuits were withdrawn or found to be without merit. And of course as we know BC, VT, and Miami all went happily off to the ACC.

From one of the articles:

The case against the ACC was thrown out because attorneys could
not prove the conference did enough business in Connecticut to
warrant a state suit. By suing the conference directors as
individuals, Big East schools hope they can get around the
jurisdiction issue.

The first suit was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds.

The second lawsuit against ACC, Swoffy + the rest of the directors and officers of the ACC, BC, UMiami, and DeFillipo eventually settled. All of the ACC defendants were dismissed prior to it beind mediated though. The settlement included a couple million dollars and a scheduling agreement that lasted until 2012.

(01-14-2015 02:07 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  I agree that this conversation isn't about making fun of a school or a fan base. In some ways, the Courant article lays out the biggest of pictures for schools in the non power conferences. Just like the UMass editorial in the Boston Globe last week, UAB, etc. it is just a recognition that the dynamic has changed.

While anti-Uconn people will pile on like the BC people

http://www.bcinterruption.com/2015/1/14/...e-football

this conversation is more than just about Uconn, although Uconn is the poster child for schools harmed by realignment.

I still find it awfully coincidental that the Uconn insider revealed that Uconn approached the Big East, and now the biggest name in sports reporting that covers Uconn floats the same idea, all on the heels of that article last month from the same Courant saying realignment is not over in the short term (with all the allusions to Cincy packing its bags).

Jeff Jacobs is the biggest name in UConn sports reporting? The guy has made a living off of writing opinion pieces. He loves to stir the pot and is more like a "sports editorial" guy than a "sports reporter". He is no more connected to "insiders" than any other reporter in CT. He just happens to appear more connected since he works for CT's largest newspaper.

Fine, Jacobs has an opinion. EVERYONE has an opinion. Opinions are like...-holes

Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

It stems from this...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

No its a thing UConn/BC thing, giant bowl of A-hole.

(01-14-2015 03:08 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

It stems from this...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

That former BC AD is a blowhard. No one believes him when he claims BC had enough clout within the ACC to block UConn all by themselves. Well, maybe some people are overly paranoid and love far-fetched conspiracy theories, but no one besides them would believe it.

(01-14-2015 11:51 AM)Danger in Carolina Wrote:  I needed a refresher on the whole lawsuit conversation.

Flashback fun for those that need a refresher too

(2003.07.01) Lawsuit against ACC, Miami moves forward
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...suit_x.htm

(2003.10.14) Four Big East schools file lawsuit against Boston College, ACC
http://www.michigandaily.com/content/fou...ollege-acc

(2011.09.21) UConn may not get an ACC invite, but it won't be because of the 2003 lawsuit
http://www.theuconnblog.com/2011/9/19/24...nt-lawsuit

Good reading...funny how history repeats itself and people don't learn from the past. You cant sue to keep someone from leaving your conference and all it does is burn bridges for the future when your position is jeopardy again.

(01-14-2015 03:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:08 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  It stems from this...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ppo-espn/1

That former BC AD is a blowhard. No one believes him when he claims BC had enough clout within the ACC to block UConn all by themselves. Well, maybe some people are overly paranoid and love far-fetched conspiracy theories, but no one besides them would believe it.

I was just going to say, that sounds more like some a__hole athletic director thumping his chest like he did something.

It's tough for me to believe that if the ACC actually wanted UConn that BC would have any kind of pull to prevent it.

(01-14-2015 03:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Does Boston College really have the pull in the ACC to prevent UConn from being a member? Or is that a myth, perpetuated by frustrated UConn fans?

Boston College is ONE vote in the ACC. By themselves, they cannot block anybody form entry into the ACC if the other ACC members want that school in. Regardless of the feelings of the former BC AD (who was one of the people PERSONALLY sued by CT state officials, BTW), this is a fact that no one can dispute.

Besides, BC owes nothing to Uconn, especially after the lawsuit. Not sure why anybody would think this is any big deal.

FWIW, IMO, rather than blame BC, Uconn fans might want to ask some hard questions of their own administrators. They finished their move up to Div. 1, and started playing in a Div. 1 conference,11 seasons ago. They have had 6 losing seasons over that 11 year period. They are at present one the worst FB teams in Div.1 and, as the article indicated, had little of 5,000 fans attend their last FB game this year. At a time when FB is the main driver in realignment, this this is not the best resume to put forward right now.

But thats assuming that BC is the only one that doesnt want UConn in the conference...which I'll bet isn't the case.