(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".
The law as written does not address anyone implying things.
I'm not trying to poke Tech fans, here. I completely agree ULL shouldn't be doing what they're doing, and I'll never refer to them without the city qualifier. OTOH, if the people most affected by ULL's shenanigans can't be bothered to do anything about it, my sympathy is going to be pretty limited. I actually prefer believing ULL found a legitimate loophole and nothing can be done about it to believing none of the other universities & colleges in the state will stand up for themselves.
(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".
The law as written does not address anyone implying things.
I'm not trying to poke Tech fans, here. I completely agree ULL shouldn't be doing what they're doing, and I'll never refer to them without the city qualifier. OTOH, if the people most affected by ULL's shenanigans can't be bothered to do anything about it, my sympathy is going to be pretty limited. I actually prefer believing ULL found a legitimate loophole and nothing can be done about it to believing none of the other universities & colleges in the state will stand up for themselves.
What invalidates your point is that UL@L is only one of the UL@X schools. Any other school also has the right to change its name to UL@X. The college in Lafayette is not the main campus. If you are implying LSU is the most affected, you are wrong. LSU is the least affected.
... and this is another reason why they shouldn't be called Louisiana. That implies that they represent the whole state (like LSU does) and not just the Lafayette area (like they do).
... and this is another reason why they shouldn't be called Louisiana. That implies that they represent the whole state (like LSU does) and not just the Lafayette area (like they do).
They should've gone for South Louisiana. Eliminates their double directional and they probably wouldn't have had a fight from anyone.
(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".
The law as written does not address anyone implying things.
I'm not trying to poke Tech fans, here. I completely agree ULL shouldn't be doing what they're doing, and I'll never refer to them without the city qualifier. OTOH, if the people most affected by ULL's shenanigans can't be bothered to do anything about it, my sympathy is going to be pretty limited. I actually prefer believing ULL found a legitimate loophole and nothing can be done about it to believing none of the other universities & colleges in the state will stand up for themselves.
A loophole so large that the athletic department drove the team bus through it. It's a done-deal LaTech fans, live with it and stop your whining.
Alternately, you ladies might consider pooling your money and calling this guy.
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(02-15-2015 04:12 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote: And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".
The law as written does not address anyone implying things.
I'm not trying to poke Tech fans, here. I completely agree ULL shouldn't be doing what they're doing, and I'll never refer to them without the city qualifier. OTOH, if the people most affected by ULL's shenanigans can't be bothered to do anything about it, my sympathy is going to be pretty limited. I actually prefer believing ULL found a legitimate loophole and nothing can be done about it to believing none of the other universities & colleges in the state will stand up for themselves.
A loophole so large that the athletic department drove the team bus through it. It's a done-deal LaTech fans, live with it and stop your whining.
The University of Louisiana System is composed of the institutions under the supervision and management of the Board of Supervisors for the University of Louisiana System as follows:
(1) Grambling State University at Grambling.
(2) Louisiana Tech University at Ruston.
(3) McNeese State University at Lake Charles.
(4) Nicholls State University at Thibodaux.
(5) Northwestern State University of Louisiana at Natchitoches.
(6) Southeastern Louisiana University at Hammond.
(7) The University of Louisiana at Lafayette.
(8) The University of Louisiana at Monroe.
(9) The University of New Orleans.
10) Any other college, university, school, institution or program now or hereafter under the supervision and management of the Board of Supervisors for the University of Louisiana System.
Added by Acts 1975, No. 313, §2, eff. July 17, 1975. Amended by Acts 1980, No. 250, §1; Acts 1992, No. 341, §1, eff. July 1, 1992; Acts 1995, No. 45, §1, eff. June 8, 1995; Acts 1995, No. 634, §1, eff. June 20, 1995; Acts 1997, No. 33, §1, eff. May 29, 1997; Acts 1997, No. 1369, §1, eff. July 1, 1997; Acts 1998, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 151, §1, eff. July 1, 1999; Acts 2011, No. 419, §1, eff. July 12, 2011.
Can you show me where it says La Tech has to use Ruston? I can show you where it says you have to use Lafayette
It's your official name according to state law.
No it isn't.
And try reading the rules this time. They say that ONLY schools named "University of Louisiana" must use "at" and the city identifier as their names. The rules say nothing about any school other than ULL and ULM using "at" and a city identifier. That is the price for the ULXs not having a unique university name.
And using "Louisiana" alone automatically implies the disallowed "University of Louisiana".
(02-15-2015 07:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote: What invalidates your point is that UL@L is only one of the UL@X schools. Any other school also has the right to change its name to UL@X. The college in Lafayette is not the main campus. If you are implying LSU is the most affected, you are wrong. LSU is the least affected.
LSU clearly has a vested interest in keeping any other school from projecting the image of a flagship. That's how the whole thing started back in the early '80s.
Regardless, whether it's LSU, ULM, or Louisiana College leading the charge, just address it, already. If everyone--including 8 other schools within the System--is in agreement that ULL is so flagrantly breaking the law on such a grand scale, why the crap do they put up with it? Does ULL have incriminating video of Southeastern and UNO disposing a body in the woods, or what?
(02-15-2015 07:25 PM)stodgdog Wrote: What invalidates your point is that UL@L is only one of the UL@X schools. Any other school also has the right to change its name to UL@X. The college in Lafayette is not the main campus. If you are implying LSU is the most affected, you are wrong. LSU is the least affected.
LSU clearly has a vested interest in keeping any other school from projecting the image of a flagship. That's how the whole thing started back in the early '80s.
Regardless, whether it's LSU, ULM, or Louisiana College leading the charge, just address it, already. If everyone--including 8 other schools within the System--is in agreement that ULL is so flagrantly breaking the law on such a grand scale, why the crap do they put up with it? Does ULL have incriminating video of Southeastern and UNO disposing a body in the woods, or what?
The whole thing is just bizarre.
HP, you clearly have an understanding of the history of the issue. When USL was legally granted a name-change back in 1984 by its governing board of trustees, the athletic landscape was significantly different. I believe LSU was most definitely shocked and concerned about the whole affair and immediately went into overdrive to get it undone.
Within a few years it apppears the 800 lb gorilla in the Red Shaft quite worring about it and as everyone here is well aware, the gulf between the P5's and the rest of us has now widened to the point that it can never be crossed.
At one time LaTech's neighbors in Monroe even tried to copy the idea and toyed with the idea of branding themsevles as the Louisiana Warhawks. They gave up on the idea quickly and instead prefer to just call themselves ULM. Today I suspect they're most concerned about surviving as a 4 year university instead of worrying how Cajun athletics brands itself.
The most whining I see comes from LaTech fans and I can assure you it has nothing to do with their heartfelt concern about what other state universities think and everything to do with the combination of growth of Cajun athletics over the last few years and how the name Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns might adversely affect their program.
No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
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(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.
(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.
Indeed, and yet they don't say a word about the issue. Perhaps it's because they haven't found the law that's being broken.
(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.
Funding....Its all about Funding. If we or any other school initiates infighting with in the University of Louisiana system there could be funding issues. There is a certain amount of solidarity given the political climate here in LA. Tech and ULM can just as easily let LSU or ESPN fight our fight for us with out getting our hands dirty or losing a much needed ally. Thats why you only hear ULL and Tech fans whining about it on message boards and not much in the newspaper. Make no bones about it ULL is violating the very essence of the law.
(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.
The system board is far more worried about money and they would rather not have any appearance of disunity now or in the past. It is for the moment a battle to be fought later.
(02-15-2015 11:19 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote: No one has taken this to court and there's a reason why. LSU no longer cares and there's a strong likelihood that the lawsuit would lose. And with each passing year I believe that likelihood grows stronger.
I can understand a political unwillingness to file a suit and make a spectacle of it, but why would even that be necessary? I'm not familiar with the exact responsibilities and powers of the U of L System's Board, but one would think "telling one of its schools to stop breaking the law" would fall under its authority.
Funding....Its all about Funding. If we or any other school initiates infighting with in the University of Louisiana system there could be funding issues. There is a certain amount of solidarity given the political climate here in LA. Tech and ULM can just as easily let LSU or ESPN fight our fight for us with out getting our hands dirty or losing a much needed ally. Thats why you only hear ULL and Tech fans whining about it on message boards and not much in the newspaper. Make no bones about it ULL is violating the very essence of the law.
1) I have no idea what this theory about infighting affecting funding is based on, but it is not based on facts. What does it even mean? Would the system withhold funding because someone filed a grievance about another school???? Besides which, if what we are doing is flagrantly wrong and everyone is so against it, why would just one school need to initiate it? It would be EXTREMELY easy for the board, etc., to just say 'stop it.' No lawsuits (lol) would be needed.
2) Let's also not forget that not one shred of evidence about the usage of 'Louisiana' violates any law has been presented Here, or anywhere else. None. Zero. Zip. Why? Because it doesn't exist. 'Essence' is very subjective, and again has no bearing on what is legal or not.
Personal attacks will surely follow, but FACTS won't.
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