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(03-02-2015 12:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I would probably just take ND for now, and let the dust settle. See if there is any interest from the unlikely big fish.

As long as the Coastal schools like their cake-walk division we can't have unbalanced divisions. We add a 15th we have to add a 16th.

Quote:If not, I'm intrigued with the idea of Navy as a football only member, and Georgetown as a non-football member. Besides being a good ND partner, Navy is usually at least competitive, would have a bit of a national following, and that combo would be a nice flag back in DC with Maryland gone. I get that Cinci has been better in Navy in football, but when you're talking UConn and Cincinnati, you're not talking about a football add anyway. Might as add all the non-football benefits of Navy at that point. Plus, the ratings that come with the Army-Navy game every other year are not negligible.

I don't get why everybody sees Navy as a valuable add. All the proof you need is the fact that they had a grand total of one game they controlled on national broadcast TV last year, the Notre Dame game. Even the Ohio State game was on the obscure CBS Sports Network so that tells you what kind of national media cache they have.

As far as being competitive, in the past five years they have played eighteen BCS/P5 teams. They are 5-13 with two wins over Indiana, a win over Wake, a win over Pitt, and a win over Notre Dame. In what way does that say competitive?


In the end it doesn't matter because Notre Dame isn't joining in football and there is no way in hell ESPN is going to let NBC get further entrenched in the college sports industry.
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Don't be small minded, if ND joins in football their will be better choices for #16.
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(03-02-2015 12:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I would probably just take ND for now, and let the dust settle. See if there is any interest from the unlikely big fish.

If not, I'm intrigued with the idea of Navy as a football only member, and Georgetown as a non-football member. Besides being a good ND partner, Navy is usually at least competitive, would have a bit of a national following, and that combo would be a nice flag back in DC with Maryland gone. I get that Cinci has been better in Navy in football, but when you're talking UConn and Cincinnati, you're not talking about a football add anyway. Might as add all the non-football benefits of Navy at that point. Plus, the ratings that come with the Army-Navy game every other year are not negligible.

My first choice would of course be WVU, which would be way more valuable in the ACC than the Big 12, where they could face Pitt, VT, Louisville and Syracuse. It would add some much needed juice to the northern reaches of the conference. I know people hate them, but that's kind of the point. The ACC can use some football passion. Screw the population size, the ACC doesn't have a footprint issue.

Cincinnati doesn't really do anything for me, but if they potentially think they can get an ACC network on in Ohio, the population there I'm sure trumps every other consideration.

you're persuading me on adding wvu. the best part of that scenario would be how it would gall their inbred, knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, acc-hating fans 04-cheers
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(03-02-2015 01:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 12:47 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I would probably just take ND for now, and let the dust settle. See if there is any interest from the unlikely big fish.

As long as the Coastal schools like their cake-walk division we can't have unbalanced divisions. We add a 15th we have to add a 16th.

Quote:If not, I'm intrigued with the idea of Navy as a football only member, and Georgetown as a non-football member. Besides being a good ND partner, Navy is usually at least competitive, would have a bit of a national following, and that combo would be a nice flag back in DC with Maryland gone. I get that Cinci has been better in Navy in football, but when you're talking UConn and Cincinnati, you're not talking about a football add anyway. Might as add all the non-football benefits of Navy at that point. Plus, the ratings that come with the Army-Navy game every other year are not negligible.

I don't get why everybody sees Navy as a valuable add. All the proof you need is the fact that they had a grand total of one game they controlled on national broadcast TV last year, the Notre Dame game. Even the Ohio State game was on the obscure CBS Sports Network so that tells you what kind of national media cache they have.

As far as being competitive, in the past five years they have played eighteen BCS/P5 teams. They are 5-13 with two wins over Indiana, a win over Wake, a win over Pitt, and a win over Notre Dame. In what way does that say competitive?


In the end it doesn't matter because Notre Dame isn't joining in football and there is no way in hell ESPN is going to let NBC get further entrenched in the college sports industry.

Oh, I don't think they are very valuable as a football add...but neither is UConn, Cincinnati, Temple, etc. Maybe Cinci has been or could be better than Navy in football...so what?

Cincinnati isn't moving the needle in football. If they go 8-5 one year, everyone isn't rushing to buy tickets when the Bearcats come to town. Having another team that goes .500 in conference every year doesn't do anything for me, just messes up one or two teams' good seasons every year.

If Cincinnati is going to go 4-4 in conference all the time, who cares if Navy goes 2-6. Probably better for everyone else (setting aside Navy's offensive style...another conversation).

I'm not advocating rushing out and inviting Navy. But if your choices to pair with ND are UConn, Cinci, Navy, Temple, etc, a bunch of teams that aren't going to improve the ACC's football profile anyway, Navy has the advantages of being a ND rival, has some national reach, is part of the Army-Navy game every year, great academics, and is located geographically in a desirable spot.

As I said, I think they would probably need to be football only, and paired with Georgetown.
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None of this is going to happen. You guys know this, right?

This is all caused by two internet message board posts, neither of them an ND based one.

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Yes, but I know a priest that says "not so fast". 07-coffee3
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(03-02-2015 01:39 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm not advocating rushing out and inviting Navy. But if your choices to pair with ND are UConn, Cinci, Navy, Temple, etc, a bunch of teams that aren't going to improve the ACC's football profile anyway, Navy has the advantages of being a ND rival, has some national reach, is part of the Army-Navy game every year, great academics, and is located geographically in a desirable spot.

As I said, I think they would probably need to be football only, and paired with Georgetown.

IMO, Navy would be a good add for everyone. Perfect geography for the ACC. Good academics. Decent brand. Available - with no significant grant of rights/exit fee issues. Already an annual game with Notre Dame - why not bring that into the conference?

From ND's perspective, with Navy in-conference, the Irish would still have 3 OOC games to make room for USC, Stanford, Michigan St., Michigan, Purdue, etc.

I could see Georgetown as a viable Olympic sports add, but why? Couldn't the ACC add Navy for football only and keep the Olympic sports as is?
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(03-02-2015 12:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 11:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 11:33 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  UConn? ESPN has been trying to get them in.

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I tend to think geography for ND favors Cincy but Notre Dame can get to UConn just an hour longer each way than Cincy by Jet. UConn to the ACC takes away the last "low hanging fruit" for the B1G.

I think the B12 then must act and they would grab Cincy and UCF or USF.

The ACC is in no position to harm the Big Ten right now, but they could effectively cut off the Big XII by taking Cincinnati. That's what I'd do if I had to take one of them (which is by no means a certainty).

B1G could take UConn but will never take Cincinnati because UConn has much better academics and is a state flagship.
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If we are going to talk about football only members then maybe thats why the ACC is now counting BYU as P5. BYU as 16?

Or what about Houston? Should Texas start looking for a new home it might be smart to already have Texas ties and to get the network on there.

A three division format of 5 may also work.

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(03-02-2015 01:29 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  Don't be small minded, if ND joins in football their will be better choices for #16.

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(03-02-2015 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  None of this is going to happen. You guys know this, right?

This is all caused by two internet message board posts, neither of them an ND based one.

Fantasy Island.

Maybe. Same thing was said when this guy was posting about ND to the ACC two and a half years ago. He had that right, and the timing right, if not the details, from an ND source, and outscooped every ND board that I know of.

There is zero reason to think this guy is making it up. He is also not saying it will definitely happen. Just that it is part of the network negotiations.
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(03-02-2015 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  None of this is going to happen. You guys know this, right?

This is all caused by two internet message board posts, neither of them an ND based one.

Fantasy Island.

nbc/comcast gobbling up the ACC syndicator is not far-fetched ...

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(03-02-2015 03:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  None of this is going to happen. You guys know this, right?

This is all caused by two internet message board posts, neither of them an ND based one.

Fantasy Island.

nbc/comcast gobbling up the ACC syndicator is not far-fetched ...

CONTENT IS KING

And didn't Swofford just give some quote about not having decided if a cable network or regional syndication was the correct decision. The "ACC Network" that NBC may be interested in might be a regionally syndicated one, not a cable network.
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(03-02-2015 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:27 PM)green Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  None of this is going to happen. You guys know this, right?

This is all caused by two internet message board posts, neither of them an ND based one.

Fantasy Island.

nbc/comcast gobbling up the ACC syndicator is not far-fetched ...

CONTENT IS KING

And didn't Swofford just give some quote about not having decided if a cable network or regional syndication was the correct decision. The "ACC Network" that NBC may be interested in might be a regionally syndicated one, not a cable network.

more like nationally syndicated over-the-air & cable programming ...

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(03-02-2015 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:27 PM)green Wrote:  nbc/comcast gobbling up the ACC syndicator is not far-fetched ...

CONTENT IS KING

And didn't Swofford just give some quote about not having decided if a cable network or regional syndication was the correct decision. The "ACC Network" that NBC may be interested in might be a regionally syndicated one, not a cable network.

So what you're suggesting is something like this:

SEC
Tier 1 = CBS
Tier 2 = ESPN
Tier 3 = SECN

ACC
Tier 1 = ESPN
Tier 2 = NBC
Tier 3 = ???
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(03-02-2015 04:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:48 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:27 PM)green Wrote:  nbc/comcast gobbling up the ACC syndicator is not far-fetched ...

CONTENT IS KING

And didn't Swofford just give some quote about not having decided if a cable network or regional syndication was the correct decision. The "ACC Network" that NBC may be interested in might be a regionally syndicated one, not a cable network.

So what you're suggesting is something like this:

SEC
Tier 1 = CBS
Tier 2 = ESPN
Tier 3 = SECN

ACC
Tier 1 = ESPN
Tier 2 = NBC
Tier 3 = ???

tier 1 & 2 = abc/espn family of networks
tier 3 = nbc/nbc sports network/accespn

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(03-02-2015 03:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If we are going to talk about football only members then maybe thats why the ACC is now counting BYU as P5. BYU as 16?

I'm one of the biggest BYU homers alive, and even I question the sanity of the comment above.

I would actually enjoy BYU as a football-only member of the ACC, but Provo and "Atlantic" or "Coastal" just don't sit well together. I really doubt that there are any current ACC teams that would be willing to be in BYU's division - and have to travel to Provo every other year.

Although, the games in Provo would give the ACC content for the 7pm West Coast timeslot.
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(03-02-2015 04:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If we are going to talk about football only members then maybe thats why the ACC is now counting BYU as P5. BYU as 16?

I'm one of the biggest BYU homers alive, and even I question the sanity of the comment above.

I would actually enjoy BYU as a football-only member of the ACC, but Provo and "Atlantic" or "Coastal" just don't sit well together. I really doubt that there are any current ACC teams that would be willing to be in BYU's division - and have to travel to Provo every other year.

Although, the games in Provo would give the ACC content for the 7pm West Coast timeslot.

Ask Kaplony, he'll tell you: the ACC would drop BYU into the Atlantic Division!
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(03-02-2015 06:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 04:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(03-02-2015 03:10 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  If we are going to talk about football only members then maybe thats why the ACC is now counting BYU as P5. BYU as 16?

I'm one of the biggest BYU homers alive, and even I question the sanity of the comment above.

I would actually enjoy BYU as a football-only member of the ACC, but Provo and "Atlantic" or "Coastal" just don't sit well together. I really doubt that there are any current ACC teams that would be willing to be in BYU's division - and have to travel to Provo every other year.

Although, the games in Provo would give the ACC content for the 7pm West Coast timeslot.

Ask Kaplony, he'll tell you: the ACC would drop BYU into the Atlantic Division!

Depends. Who out of BYU and Notre Dame do you Coastalites see as being the weak sister? Whoever is determined to be stronger gets sent to the Atlantic to keep the cakewalk division alive. Added bonus if it makes FSU and Clemson travel and is in a worthless recruiting area.
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(03-02-2015 07:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Depends. Who out of BYU and Notre Dame do you Coastalites see as being the weak sister? Whoever is determined to be stronger gets sent to the Atlantic to keep the cakewalk division alive. Added bonus if it makes FSU and Clemson travel and is in a worthless recruiting area.

You would have done just as good a job at finishing second in the Coastal this year. 05-stirthepot
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