Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

+1 Agree with everything said here.

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

And the crux of the issue... (Provincial)

I'd have to say that the ACC Tournament is a predictable casualty of expansion. Not all that long ago, it was essentially a three day event that only required a fan to give up a single workday (in exchange for four great games that day). Now it's spread over five days, four of which are workdays for many fans. Want to know why there were so many old men and blue haired ladies there? They are retired!

The loss of Syracuse this year made a difference. I don't know if their fans in New York travel any better than other schools, but they apparently have a sizable alumni base near enough to Greensboro to drive. This year, I would estimate that 5,000 showed up in Winston-Salem for a football game between two of the worst teams in the league.

I know that the league is touting that the move to a Saturday finish has been a success. Maybe in terms of tickets sold it has. But in terms of fannies in the seats, I have my doubts. The same ticket that got you into the Duke-State game let you watch the Miami-Notre Dame game. But why would you want to? It's a surprise to me that so many stayed around. They sure weren't all Cane and Irish fans.

Would you have had better attendance if this tournament was in MSG? Probably. But that would have been at the expense of the fans who supported their local ACC team throughout the season. Most of those fans, at least for the 10 out of 14 ACC schools for whom NYC is very inconvenient, would have stayed home, and their seats would be taken by casual fans who aren't there because it's the ACC.

I suppose more Louisville fans would have shown up in New York than made the trip to North Carolina. And a lot more ND fans would have been there, not because they traveled from South Bend but because they live in the New York metropolitan area. But for four of the six ACC teams that are going to the NCAA tournament next week, most of their fans would have been watching on TV. And who could blame them?

Six ACC schools are within a three hour drive of Greensboro. A seventh is a half hour further. The closest school to NYC is BC at 213 miles. Shouldn't that count for something?

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

Lucy,

My wife and I go to NYC all the time. We always stay in NJ around the Meadowlands. We always find hotels for far cheaper than the $200 per night that Lumber says you would pay around Greensboro. These are pretty nice hotels like Hamptons and Fairfields, etc... with full breakfasts. We take the bus into NYC in less than 15 min, right into Grand Central which is about a 10 minute walk from Times Square and MSG. The only thing thats really out whack price wise is the dog on parking in NYC. Take the train or bus. You will end up paying at least $25 per hour for parking. I dont find food prices to be out of whack either.
It doesnt take much effort to visitin NYC on the cheap.

(03-13-2015 11:08 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

Lucy,

My wife and I go to NYC all the time. We always stay in NJ around the Meadowlands. We always find hotels for far cheaper than the $200 per night that Lumber says you would pay around Greensboro. These are pretty nice hotels like Hamptons and Fairfields, etc... with full breakfasts. We take the bus into NYC in less than 15 min, right into Grand Central which is about a 10 minute walk from Times Square and MSG. The only thing thats really out whack price wise is the dog on parking in NYC. Take the train or bus. You will end up paying at least $25 per hour for parking. I dont find food prices to be out of whack either.
It doesnt take much effort to visitin NYC on the cheap.

I'm with you on the NYC parking, Cuseroc! My family vacationed in NYC this Summer and spent a day in Brooklyn where I had to pay to park: $25.

Food prices seemed comparable, except for the restaurant at the hotel, which was outrageous (but then aren't most hotel restaurants?).

I drove w/o any problems - the only warning there: if you make a wrong turn you'll probably have to drive a couple of miles what with all of the one-way streets.

P.S. I never realized before that there are MOUNTAINS in the Bronx! Cool!

When I used to go to the NY Auto Show, which is held annually in April, I would reserve a room at the Jersey City Hyatt. The PATH train stop is only one block away from the hotel and the train is only one stop away (across the river) from NYC. Sometimes I'd drive my SUV to Manhattan. No big deal. I love driving in NYC. Parking could be a problem though.

(03-13-2015 11:55 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  When I used to go to the NY Auto Show, which is held annually in April, I would reserve a room at the Jersey City Hyatt. The PATH train stop is only one block away from the hotel and the train is only one stop away (across the river) from NYC. Sometimes I'd drive my SUV to Manhattan. No big deal. I love driving in NYC. Parking could be a problem though.

Staying in Jersey City and taking the train in. Why wouldn't anyone want that? I'm getting excited just thinking about it.

(03-13-2015 11:08 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

Lucy,

My wife and I go to NYC all the time. We always stay in NJ around the Meadowlands. We always find hotels for far cheaper than the $200 per night that Lumber says you would pay around Greensboro. These are pretty nice hotels like Hamptons and Fairfields, etc... with full breakfasts. We take the bus into NYC in less than 15 min, right into Grand Central which is about a 10 minute walk from Times Square and MSG. The only thing thats really out whack price wise is the dog on parking in NYC. Take the train or bus. You will end up paying at least $25 per hour for parking. I dont find food prices to be out of whack either.
It doesnt take much effort to visitin NYC on the cheap.

I just checked Priceline. Plenty of 3 star hotels in the Greensboro/High Point area (Marriott, Hampton, Fairfield, Holiday Inn) available for stays from tonight to Sunday for $80-150.

I've never paid $25 an hour to park in the Times Square or Theater District. Even during the 4th or July or near Christmas. $25 to $40 a day, yes. As to mountains in the Bronx, they are mountains to you if you are used to places flatter than Chapel Hill. I think they are nice hills - something the last glaciers didn't scrub away. Hokie Mark - you will not see them as mountains - they will strike you as Floyd, Va or just north of BB.

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

It will be packed Fri and Sat night.


ACC takes/enhances BE spot on Fri, Sat nights

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

(03-13-2015 01:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

Everyone wants a piece of ND's money, it seems.

It never seems to end, the Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC......all chasing ND's cash generator.

Look, I could come on here and say that I love the ACC and avidly follow all of its teams in all sports.

That would be a big, fat lie, though. I am just telling the truth.

It baffles me that a North Carolina fan would want to watch Clemson basketball or Miami baseball, for instance, or even care how they do except against the teams you root for.

Realignment has taught me that many "conference cheerleaders" will up and relocate if the cash is nicer elsewhere. So much for "conference loyalty".

It isn't just an ND thing with me, though.

I follow Pittsburgh pro teams, but not the other teams in their leagues nor the leagues themselves. I don't watch the St. Louis Cardinals play the Chicago Cubs, for instance, or the Indianapolis Colts play the Dallas Cowboys. No interest here.

(03-13-2015 02:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 01:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

Sounds like the perfect athletic event for you would be the Notre Dame spring football game. No need to gaze upon anything other than Notre Dame
I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

Everyone wants a piece of ND's money, it seems.

It never seems to end, the Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC......all chasing ND's cash generator.

Look, I could come on here and say that I love the ACC and avidly follow all of its teams in all sports.

That would be a big, fat lie, though. I am just telling the truth.

It baffles me that a North Carolina fan would want to watch Clemson basketball or Miami baseball, for instance, or even care how they do except against the teams you root for.

Realignment has taught me that many "conference cheerleaders" will up and relocate if the cash is nicer elsewhere. So much for "conference loyalty".

It isn't just an ND thing with me, though.

I follow Pittsburgh pro teams, but not the other teams in their leagues nor the leagues themselves. I don't watch the St. Louis Cardinals play the Chicago Cubs, for instance, or the Indianapolis Colts play the Dallas Cowboys. No interest here.

I think the perfect athletic event for you would be the Notre Dame spring football game. No need to gaze upon any team other than Notre Dame.

(03-13-2015 12:19 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I've never paid $25 an hour to park in the Times Square or Theater District. Even during the 4th or July or near Christmas. $25 to $40 a day, yes. As to mountains in the Bronx, they are mountains to you if you are used to places flatter than Chapel Hill. I think they are nice hills - something the last glaciers didn't scrub away. Hokie Mark - you will not see them as mountains - they will strike you as Floyd, Va or just north of BB.

That makes 2 of us. But I've never paid $25 per day either. Thats why I take the bus from Jersey.

(03-13-2015 02:42 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 02:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 01:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

Sounds like the perfect athletic event for you would be the Notre Dame spring football game. No need to gaze upon anything other than Notre Dame
I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

Everyone wants a piece of ND's money, it seems.

It never seems to end, the Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC......all chasing ND's cash generator.

Look, I could come on here and say that I love the ACC and avidly follow all of its teams in all sports.

That would be a big, fat lie, though. I am just telling the truth.

It baffles me that a North Carolina fan would want to watch Clemson basketball or Miami baseball, for instance, or even care how they do except against the teams you root for.

Realignment has taught me that many "conference cheerleaders" will up and relocate if the cash is nicer elsewhere. So much for "conference loyalty".

It isn't just an ND thing with me, though.

I follow Pittsburgh pro teams, but not the other teams in their leagues nor the leagues themselves. I don't watch the St. Louis Cardinals play the Chicago Cubs, for instance, or the Indianapolis Colts play the Dallas Cowboys. No interest here.

I think the perfect athletic event for you would be the Notre Dame spring football game. No need to gaze upon any team other than Notre Dame.

I watch the entire ND spring game every April on NBC. :)



Look, I am going to go watch all three ND/Clemson baseball games this weekend on ESPN3.

Last week, I watched all three ND/Georgia Tech baseball games on ESPN3.

But, I am never going to watch a Clemson/Georgia Tech (for instance) game on TV.

Why would I? Why would anyone watch two schools that are not ones you root for and follow???

That truly baffles me.

Like I said, I will watch the Pittsburgh Pirates play the Reds and the Cardinals, but will never watch the Reds and Cardinals (for example) play each other.

It is the same for me in all sports. I follow the teams I like, and nothing else.

(03-13-2015 02:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 01:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

Everyone wants a piece of ND's money, it seems.

It never seems to end, the Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC......all chasing ND's cash generator.

Look, I could come on here and say that I love the ACC and avidly follow all of its teams in all sports.

That would be a big, fat lie, though. I am just telling the truth.

It baffles me that a North Carolina fan would want to watch Clemson basketball or Miami baseball, for instance, or even care how they do except against the teams you root for.

Realignment has taught me that many "conference cheerleaders" will up and relocate if the cash is nicer elsewhere. So much for "conference loyalty".

It isn't just an ND thing with me, though.

I follow Pittsburgh pro teams, but not the other teams in their leagues nor the leagues themselves. I don't watch the St. Louis Cardinals play the Chicago Cubs, for instance, or the Indianapolis Colts play the Dallas Cowboys. No interest here.

I know you are baffled, but I watch other ACC teams play all the time and when they are playing teams outside of the ACC I pull for them (except for Dook). We are a family and I understand that you were brought up as an orphan, and that Notre Dame's entire mantra is based on "us against the world". We will adopt you when YOU are ready, but it won't be before you get your attitude right.

(03-13-2015 02:42 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  I think the perfect athletic event for you would be the Notre Dame spring football game. No need to gaze upon any team other than Notre Dame.

(03-13-2015 02:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I watch the entire ND spring game every April on NBC. :)

See, THAT's what I don't understand!

(03-13-2015 03:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  I know you are baffled, but I watch other ACC teams play all the time and when they are playing teams outside of the ACC I pull for them (except for Dook). We are a family and I understand that you were brought up as an orphan, and that Notre Dame's entire mantra is based on "us against the world". We will adopt you when YOU are ready, but it won't be before you get your attitude right.

I totally understand XLance. It's not "me against the world", it's "US", as in more than one, as in a group of teams...

(03-13-2015 03:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 02:04 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 01:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Most people I know are not willing to spend the money to fly to NYC, pay higher rates for hotels, have to pay for either a rental car + parking or for cabs/public transportation, higher rates for food (don't try to feed me any line about how you can eat for the same price that you can in other cities - I know people who live there & have visited). People would rather be in reasonable driving distance to the tourney city and have it be situated where you can stay in a wider area that is still easily accessible to the venue. For me, I will drive as far north as DC and as far south as Atlanta. Greensboro is centrally located for the conference & reaches a wider swath of ACC alums & fans. I think the plan to farm the tourney out for some years is good, but having the majority of years in Greensboro makes the most sense.

I am not willing to go to Greensboro to watch ACC basketball. I never went to the Big East Tournament, either, in the 17-18 years that ND was in the Big East.

So, New York or Greensboro is not the issue. I likely would not attend any non-ND games even if the Tournament were held in New Orleans, 75 miles from my front door (even if the tickets let me see other games too---no interest). I would drive down for the ND game and then drive right back home.

I am not that interested in basketball in general nor am I interested in seeing the other ACC teams play each other.

(I don't even watch other ACC teams play on television, let alone go somewhere 12 hours away to do so in person).

I wouldn't go to the ACC Tournament even if I had free hotel, air fare and game tickets, except to exclusively watch ND play, and only the ND game(s).

I will drive 7 hours to watch a series of ND baseball games, but am not willing to watch an event that is not ND centric, especially one in Greensboro, NC.

So, I have to disagree with Paco. If I went to an ACC Tournament, and I had to pay my own way, I would not want to see any other teams play but ND (so it is not something that is remotely worth it to me for a number of reasons).

Terry,
What you said are exactly the reasons I personally hope that the ACC never allows Notre Dame to join our conference as a full member.
You guys are hard enough to stomach the way things are now, I would really hate to see the day when we treated you as an equal.
I mean no offense to you or your school, but I could live without you, but evidently we don't mind spending your money.

Everyone wants a piece of ND's money, it seems.

It never seems to end, the Big East, the Big Ten, the ACC......all chasing ND's cash generator.

Look, I could come on here and say that I love the ACC and avidly follow all of its teams in all sports.

That would be a big, fat lie, though. I am just telling the truth.

It baffles me that a North Carolina fan would want to watch Clemson basketball or Miami baseball, for instance, or even care how they do except against the teams you root for.

Realignment has taught me that many "conference cheerleaders" will up and relocate if the cash is nicer elsewhere. So much for "conference loyalty".

It isn't just an ND thing with me, though.

I follow Pittsburgh pro teams, but not the other teams in their leagues nor the leagues themselves. I don't watch the St. Louis Cardinals play the Chicago Cubs, for instance, or the Indianapolis Colts play the Dallas Cowboys. No interest here.

I know you are baffled, but I watch other ACC teams play all the time and when they are playing teams outside of the ACC I pull for them (except for Dook). We are a family and I understand that you were brought up as an orphan, and that Notre Dame's entire mantra is based on "us against the world". We will adopt you when YOU are ready, but it won't be before you get your attitude right.

I am afraid that date is far, far off or will never arrive, Lance.

I think those that count on that may be mistaken.

Look, I grew up near Pittsburgh and avidly follow its pro teams.

But despite that, I never had an interest in Pitt athletics.

Even though Pitt and ND have played each other about 70 times in football and were in the Big East together, I would never (and have not) watch a Pitt sporting event against anyone other than ND.

No offense to Pitt, I just have no interest.

Likewise, I would not expect a Pitt fan to watch ND play Arizona State or even care it is on TV.