(03-24-2015 03:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote: (03-24-2015 02:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Seriously though, the word "Saltine" is even mentioned in one of the image names. Think before you post. Honestly, try it just once.
Considering past posts you have made, my computer almost exploded with the irony here. On top of that, you REALLY need to think hard here. You are saying only a moron would associate the term "Orangemen" with native Americans, despite the fact that the school who actually kept the term alive in modern American culture, once used a native American as a symbol (don't want to say mascot), which makes it easy for one to associate the two, and changed their name to avoid being considered offensive, around the time that other teams with Native American inspired team names changed their names. . That is the moronic part of this discussion,
no matter how many times you respond, or how many names you call, and no matter the actual history behind the name. As I said, it is one thing to inform people of history. That is always good for the board. It is another to say someone is an idiot for making a common mistake, especially when there is a very easy way for someone to make the mistake. Just like there are millions of people who think the irish word "celtic" is pronounced "Sell-tick" because of the basketball team, even though the proper pronounciation is "Kel-tick). Doesn't make them morons for making the association, since there is good reason to.
1. Syracuse stopped using the Saltine Warrior in the mid to late 1970's. Syracuse stopped using the name Orangemen in 2003-2004. There was a 25-26 year gap between the two changes. You make it sound like there was a strong connection. There wasn't. In fact, almost none of the undergrads who attended SU during the name change were even alive when SU last used the Saltine Warrior. I say "almost none" because I'm sure there were a couple of adults going back to school to get their degree, but if you remove the outliers, it drops all the way down to "none."
2. The actual orangemen and/or order of orange is/are extremely well known. They are not exactly either a trivial or obscure piece of history, and they are 100% (literally 100%) not Native American.
3. As I've said before, the term "orangemen" has never been used as a racial slur towards Native Americans on a large scale - or even a small scale to the best of my knowledge.
So yes, drawing a connection between a name strongly associated with a group of white protestants and Native Americans because Syracuse happened to change its nickname around the same time as the University of Illinois (and any other university that you want to cite that changed its name in the early '00's) is idiotic because such a conclusion very clearly does not logically flow from even a tenuous understanding of widely known facts.
So, like I've been urging you, try to think *before* you post.
"Just like there are millions of people who think the irish word "celtic" is pronounced "Sell-tick" because of the basketball team..."
Right, and there were people who thought President Bush was racist because he didn't stand up to the Russians enough when Putin put pressure on Georgia (the country) in circa 2006. Naturally, those people were concerned with the African American population of Atlanta, because they thought that they were going to be killed by Russian tanks. As per an actual question that Rick Santorum (I think) got while attending a town hall event in Iowa, there are also people who think that President Obama tried to nuke Charlotte, North Carolina. The point is that there is not a shortage of stupid people in the world. Pointing out a ridiculously uninformed section of society that probably overlaps heavily with the two groups I identified doesn't really prove anything.
"Considering past posts you have made, my computer almost exploded with the irony here."
Nice. An unsubstantiated ad hominem attack. Stay classy.