I think if there weren't already 12 teams in the ACC, that most BEast schools would think long and hard about making a jump to the ACC. I think 4 out of 5 times a team would make the jump. With how good the BEast is becoming, it is a harder decision to make. What jumbles up the gears is the fact that the BEast in not a "whole" conference.

EvilVodka Wrote:FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything
[b]

Actually, despite presumptions to the contrary, the ACC is the only league that has actually been in danger of losing its BCS status by these standards. Take a look at the final rankings of the conference champions over the last few years, and more importantly, take a look at what ranking this year's champion needs from the ACC versus the Big East to meet the standards. No ACC fan should be coming in here trying to talk smack when they are, in fact, the league that is struggling mightily.

Also, remember that it was Swofford who lobbied to be allowed to count Boston College's results for the ACC averages, not Tranghese lobbying to include Louisville's from 2004. That rule helped both leagues but it was born of fear of results from the ACC leadership.

Yes, the ACC has more historically strong names in football. No argument here. Army used to be a bigger football name than Florida State, too. Things change and sometimes unexpectedly.

CardFan636 Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything
[b]

Actually, despite presumptions to the contrary, the ACC is the only league that has actually been in danger of losing its BCS status by these standards. Take a look at the final rankings of the conference champions over the last few years, and more importantly, take a look at what ranking this year's champion needs from the ACC versus the Big East to meet the standards. No ACC fan should be coming in here trying to talk smack when they are, in fact, the league that is struggling mightily.

Also, remember that it was Swofford who lobbied to be allowed to count Boston College's results for the ACC averages, not Tranghese lobbying to include Louisville's from 2004. That rule helped both leagues but it was born of fear of results from the ACC leadership.

Yes, the ACC has more historically strong names in football. No argument here. Army used to be a bigger football name than Florida State, too. Things change and sometimes unexpectedly.

You're only going to confuse evilvodka because you are using facts....he's more interested in media spin/perception and his imagination rather than the facts.

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:In other words you have nothing to say about the facts that I have presented that basically shows that you are indeed a baffoon for coming up with a lot of bunk as to why you feel that any BE school will run to the acc.. We all understand you perfectly. You have no facts nor reasoning to back up your viewpoints so you resort to twisting my words and using a silly little emoticon, as if you accomplished something. The only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more stupid that before. Congratulations.

you don't have any facts, just weak rebuttals...

FACT 1: ACC Stadiums are on average bigger than Big East Stadiums
Your Answer: There are really maybe 3 or 4 acc stadiums that are bigger than the BE stadiums, but Wake, BC, UNC etc.. are not much to yell for. Regarding attendance, the BE has the lowest average attendance of the BCS leagues, but guess which league comes next with the lowest average, which is not much more than the BE?

looks like you're trying to skirt around the facts...why are ACC stadiums bigger? you never answered that

FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything

FACT 3: Notre Dame has exceptional leverage with the Big East
Your Answer: Yes ND uses the BE really bad. So what? I dont see any of our schools saying "unless we stop our affliation with ND, were going to leave and try to get into the Acc".

So what if ND uses and abuses our conference...? And what schools would come to the conclusion that if the situation with Notre Dame isn't resolved, that they're going to leave for the ACC?? You need to get invited first lol

Do they teach reading comprehension at Syracuse? you should sign up for some courses lol

You still have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE school will leave for the Acc. Stay on subject.
The facts are that no BE school is going to be clamoring to get into the acc because their stadiums are bigger. Your average attendance is just about 4000 fans better than the BE. Truth be told, both leagues are way behind the other bcs leagues in average attendance. The ND situation in our league is not as big a deal as you would like for it to be. These 2 situations does not make any team from the BE want to come to the acc. As I said earlier, your contracts for tv are not that much higher than the BE per school. The BE gets much more exposure from bb, and not much less from fb. Our bcs bid is as safe as the acc. You have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE team will leave for the ACC. Stay on subject please.

Any big east school would leave for the ACC. Its simply a step up. Every frickin person in America knows that.

Give some reasons. I have asked you to do so before on several occasions, and each time you mysteriously disappeared.

Any BE team would leave out of fear that if they decline, another BE team will accept and they'll get left behind in a watered down-conference

Also, the Big 10 and ACC are well-structured conferences with an emphasis on academics as well as sports

I've given you several reasons why, if you choose to ignore them thats fine

Of course, the only teams that would probably get invited to the ACC would probably be Syracuse, UConn, or Rutgers...

do you really think the presidents of UConn and Rutgers would see joining the ACC as a lateral move? I'm sure the UConn AD would crap his pants if he thought he could get Miami and FSU coming to his stadium every year

Of course you are correct...vodka...everyone in America knows it but the delusional members of the Big East...Louisville will slip out the door in a New York minute given a chance...wiping the knife off as they leave.....pitiful....

On Wings of Eagles Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:In other words you have nothing to say about the facts that I have presented that basically shows that you are indeed a baffoon for coming up with a lot of bunk as to why you feel that any BE school will run to the acc.. We all understand you perfectly. You have no facts nor reasoning to back up your viewpoints so you resort to twisting my words and using a silly little emoticon, as if you accomplished something. The only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more stupid that before. Congratulations.

you don't have any facts, just weak rebuttals...

FACT 1: ACC Stadiums are on average bigger than Big East Stadiums
Your Answer: There are really maybe 3 or 4 acc stadiums that are bigger than the BE stadiums, but Wake, BC, UNC etc.. are not much to yell for. Regarding attendance, the BE has the lowest average attendance of the BCS leagues, but guess which league comes next with the lowest average, which is not much more than the BE?

looks like you're trying to skirt around the facts...why are ACC stadiums bigger? you never answered that

FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything

FACT 3: Notre Dame has exceptional leverage with the Big East
Your Answer: Yes ND uses the BE really bad. So what? I dont see any of our schools saying "unless we stop our affliation with ND, were going to leave and try to get into the Acc".

So what if ND uses and abuses our conference...? And what schools would come to the conclusion that if the situation with Notre Dame isn't resolved, that they're going to leave for the ACC?? You need to get invited first lol

Do they teach reading comprehension at Syracuse? you should sign up for some courses lol

You still have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE school will leave for the Acc. Stay on subject.
The facts are that no BE school is going to be clamoring to get into the acc because their stadiums are bigger. Your average attendance is just about 4000 fans better than the BE. Truth be told, both leagues are way behind the other bcs leagues in average attendance. The ND situation in our league is not as big a deal as you would like for it to be. These 2 situations does not make any team from the BE want to come to the acc. As I said earlier, your contracts for tv are not that much higher than the BE per school. The BE gets much more exposure from bb, and not much less from fb. Our bcs bid is as safe as the acc. You have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE team will leave for the ACC. Stay on subject please.

Any big east school would leave for the ACC. Its simply a step up. Every frickin person in America knows that.

Give some reasons. I have asked you to do so before on several occasions, and each time you mysteriously disappeared.

Any BE team would leave out of fear that if they decline, another BE team will accept and they'll get left behind in a watered down-conference

Also, the Big 10 and ACC are well-structured conferences with an emphasis on academics as well as sports

I've given you several reasons why, if you choose to ignore them thats fine

Of course, the only teams that would probably get invited to the ACC would probably be Syracuse, UConn, or Rutgers...

do you really think the presidents of UConn and Rutgers would see joining the ACC as a lateral move? I'm sure the UConn AD would crap his pants if he thought he could get Miami and FSU coming to his stadium every year

Of course you are correct...vodka...everyone in America knows it but the delusional members of the Big East...Louisville will slip out the door in a New York minute given a chance...wiping the knife off as they leave.....pitiful....

Making room for So.Miss. who would do the same thing to get out of CDOA to come to the BE....

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

On Wings of Eagles Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:In other words you have nothing to say about the facts that I have presented that basically shows that you are indeed a baffoon for coming up with a lot of bunk as to why you feel that any BE school will run to the acc.. We all understand you perfectly. You have no facts nor reasoning to back up your viewpoints so you resort to twisting my words and using a silly little emoticon, as if you accomplished something. The only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more stupid that before. Congratulations.

you don't have any facts, just weak rebuttals...

FACT 1: ACC Stadiums are on average bigger than Big East Stadiums
Your Answer: There are really maybe 3 or 4 acc stadiums that are bigger than the BE stadiums, but Wake, BC, UNC etc.. are not much to yell for. Regarding attendance, the BE has the lowest average attendance of the BCS leagues, but guess which league comes next with the lowest average, which is not much more than the BE?

looks like you're trying to skirt around the facts...why are ACC stadiums bigger? you never answered that

FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything

FACT 3: Notre Dame has exceptional leverage with the Big East
Your Answer: Yes ND uses the BE really bad. So what? I dont see any of our schools saying "unless we stop our affliation with ND, were going to leave and try to get into the Acc".

So what if ND uses and abuses our conference...? And what schools would come to the conclusion that if the situation with Notre Dame isn't resolved, that they're going to leave for the ACC?? You need to get invited first lol

Do they teach reading comprehension at Syracuse? you should sign up for some courses lol

You still have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE school will leave for the Acc. Stay on subject.
The facts are that no BE school is going to be clamoring to get into the acc because their stadiums are bigger. Your average attendance is just about 4000 fans better than the BE. Truth be told, both leagues are way behind the other bcs leagues in average attendance. The ND situation in our league is not as big a deal as you would like for it to be. These 2 situations does not make any team from the BE want to come to the acc. As I said earlier, your contracts for tv are not that much higher than the BE per school. The BE gets much more exposure from bb, and not much less from fb. Our bcs bid is as safe as the acc. You have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE team will leave for the ACC. Stay on subject please.

Any big east school would leave for the ACC. Its simply a step up. Every frickin person in America knows that.

Give some reasons. I have asked you to do so before on several occasions, and each time you mysteriously disappeared.

Any BE team would leave out of fear that if they decline, another BE team will accept and they'll get left behind in a watered down-conference

Also, the Big 10 and ACC are well-structured conferences with an emphasis on academics as well as sports

I've given you several reasons why, if you choose to ignore them thats fine

Of course, the only teams that would probably get invited to the ACC would probably be Syracuse, UConn, or Rutgers...

do you really think the presidents of UConn and Rutgers would see joining the ACC as a lateral move? I'm sure the UConn AD would crap his pants if he thought he could get Miami and FSU coming to his stadium every year

Of course you are correct...vodka...everyone in America knows it but the delusional members of the Big East...Louisville will slip out the door in a New York minute given a chance...wiping the knife off as they leave.....pitiful....

Making room for So.Miss. who would do the same thing to get out of CDOA to come to the BE....

That would be true only if the Big East would divide up into two divisions...a north/south...or east/west senario.......no one wants to send women's or spring sports to New Jersey or New York for conference games...it would overcome any advantage you would get by being BCS.....

Yeaah Wings that would work, my proposed New Big East:

Big East North Division

Syracuse
UConn
Rutgers
Pitt
WVU
Cinci
Louisville
USF

Big East Leper Division

USM

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

EvilVodka Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:In other words you have nothing to say about the facts that I have presented that basically shows that you are indeed a baffoon for coming up with a lot of bunk as to why you feel that any BE school will run to the acc.. We all understand you perfectly. You have no facts nor reasoning to back up your viewpoints so you resort to twisting my words and using a silly little emoticon, as if you accomplished something. The only thing you are accomplishing here is to make yourself look even more stupid that before. Congratulations.

you don't have any facts, just weak rebuttals...

FACT 1: ACC Stadiums are on average bigger than Big East Stadiums
Your Answer: There are really maybe 3 or 4 acc stadiums that are bigger than the BE stadiums, but Wake, BC, UNC etc.. are not much to yell for. Regarding attendance, the BE has the lowest average attendance of the BCS leagues, but guess which league comes next with the lowest average, which is not much more than the BE?

looks like you're trying to skirt around the facts...why are ACC stadiums bigger? you never answered that

FACT 2: "Because of concerns over the conference's strength (or lack thereof), the Bowl Championship Series last year instituted the unofficial "Big East rule," which subjects member conferences to review and possible loss of automatic selection."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/footbal...t_feature/

its not called the ACC rule...and you can't set an arbitrary time frame like "this century"...that doesn't mean anything

FACT 3: Notre Dame has exceptional leverage with the Big East
Your Answer: Yes ND uses the BE really bad. So what? I dont see any of our schools saying "unless we stop our affliation with ND, were going to leave and try to get into the Acc".

So what if ND uses and abuses our conference...? And what schools would come to the conclusion that if the situation with Notre Dame isn't resolved, that they're going to leave for the ACC?? You need to get invited first lol

Do they teach reading comprehension at Syracuse? you should sign up for some courses lol

You still have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE school will leave for the Acc. Stay on subject.
The facts are that no BE school is going to be clamoring to get into the acc because their stadiums are bigger. Your average attendance is just about 4000 fans better than the BE. Truth be told, both leagues are way behind the other bcs leagues in average attendance. The ND situation in our league is not as big a deal as you would like for it to be. These 2 situations does not make any team from the BE want to come to the acc. As I said earlier, your contracts for tv are not that much higher than the BE per school. The BE gets much more exposure from bb, and not much less from fb. Our bcs bid is as safe as the acc. You have presented no sound reasoning as to why any BE team will leave for the ACC. Stay on subject please.

Any big east school would leave for the ACC. Its simply a step up. Every frickin person in America knows that.

Give some reasons. I have asked you to do so before on several occasions, and each time you mysteriously disappeared.

Any BE team would leave out of fear that if they decline, another BE team will accept and they'll get left behind in a watered down-conference

Also, the Big 10 and ACC are well-structured conferences with an emphasis on academics as well as sports

I've given you several reasons why, if you choose to ignore them thats fine

Of course, the only teams that would probably get invited to the ACC would probably be Syracuse, UConn, or Rutgers...

do you really think the presidents of UConn and Rutgers would see joining the ACC as a lateral move? I'm sure the UConn AD would crap his pants if he thought he could get Miami and FSU coming to his stadium every year

If you continue the 2006 level of play, then no, our AD really wouldn't care about Miami or FSU at this time. USF might.

I would like to play Maryland, but we've signed as home-home them them for football, as we have with UNC, NCSU, etc.

The ACC should cut out someone and go for Florida if UF EVER gets interested. That would be a huge get for you guys.