Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Thread Closed 
Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
Author Message
Lou_C Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,505
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 201
I Root For: Florida State
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 12:49 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 02:10 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Definitely important to get good starts...look how good GT was last year, and how long it took anyone to notice.

That's because they weren't really good until after the Pitt game when the defense stopped clocking out for a quarter or a half each game.

Exactly. Strong starts are important. The highly aggressive scheduling by ACC teams makes that more difficult, and for whatever reasons, a lot of the better ACC teams get off to slower starts (Duke in 2013). And that does much less for the conference than the teams in the other conferences that go 8-0 and climb into the top five, and drop three of their last four. It is not fair that it's that way, but it is.
04-17-2015 09:05 AM
Find all posts by this user
Lou_C Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,505
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 201
I Root For: Florida State
Location:
Post: #22
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-16-2015 09:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The one team which acts like it's afraid for the ACC to fail is Duke. They have improved dramatically in football, both on and off the field.

I like the moves I've seen at BC and Pitt, but it remains to be seen how good they will become. VT is making every effort to send Beamer out on top, IMO. GT eased up on football a little and were rewarded with wins over UGa and Miss. State. There ARE signs. Trouble is, just about everybody is competing harder these days.

Yeah, I agree it's in between. There isn't a sense of super urgency, but I think you are seeing some moves across the conference. I don't think there is ANY doubt that no matter how close or how far the ACC was to falling apart, the last realignment shook some people. I know it shook Swofford. Don't forget, whether FSU and Clemson were ever considering the Big 12, the ACC did lose Maryland, and only has FSU because of the SEC's new TV business model. I would not describe the overall attitude as complacent toward football the way I think it was 10 years ago.

A lot of positive efforts going on around the league...

FSU - Old athletic director out, finally got the indoor practice facility, seems to be on the same page as far as Jimbo getting what he needs, but not running roughshod over the athletic department. Was able to make Jimbo an elite paid head coach.

Clemson - Was willing to have the highest paid coordinators in the game.

Duke - Football program revitalized, been able to hold Cutcliff, massive upgrades to football stadium

GT - Getting the academic exceptions they need to compete

Pitt - Narduzzi was one of the hottest head coaching candidates among coordinators, can't complain about that hire on paper. Got rid of their athletic director...let's see who they land.

Louisville - Can't complain about Louisville's commitment to football, hiring back Petrino and taking on players with checkered pasts, as well as everything else they've done.

Wake - their ceiling is incredibly low...the ACC doesn't even need them to be good. But them sending Grobe packing, a legend as far as Wake football is concerned, is the furthest thing from complacent. I don't know if it was a good move...but it's definitely not a "traditional ACC" move

Then you've got a bunch of schools that are question marks right now, largely because their coaches are still question marks. The next year or too will tell the tale on whether they are all in.

Miami - Golden was an unconvincing hire for a program of that stature, and his program has been underwhelming. His retention this year was definitely questionable from a football commitment standpoint...if he's retained after another disappointing year, we've got a serious problem here. With a change at the top, we'll see where this goes.

UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

NC State - Some good signs from Doeren, jury still out obviously. NC State's recommitment has paid off in basketball, we'll see what happens here. I will say that NC State has been more willing than most ACC schools to cut an average coach loose, and that's good, but it's just never quite worked out for them quite yet.

Syracuse - Not sure anyone believes in their heart that Shafer is the right guy. Seems overmatched in a major conference, and doesn't seem like an ACC caliber hire. Are they willing to cut him loose if he has a 5-6 win year? They booted their athletic director, who did some good things, but who seemed a bit over his head in the ACC.

Then you've got the schools with a lot to prove commitment wise...

BC - Addazio seems to be a good fit right now. Seems to be bringing some much needed intensity to the position, and trying to improve BC's "cool factor" a bit. But BC has a history of small-timing their football program, despite some success. The dumb way they fired Jagondzinski, the fact that Tom O'Brien left for at most a lateral move, and the way they rode the Spaziani train all the way down. Add to that the unnecessarily aggressive scheduling. It will take a bit for me to believe that BC is in it to win it in football.

UVA - between the scheduling and the retention of London, it's hard not to write of UVA of simply being unwilling to be a real football program. Considering their resources, this program refusing to compete is a blow to ACC football. Might be better off heading straight to Kansas level 2-win seasons and not risk messing it up by upsetting anyone else.

And finally VT -

VT - Obviously, they are in the toughest spot that a football program gets in. The basketball hire made some waves, so it's really hard to imagine VT is going to small-time the hiring of Beamer's replacement. How long they continue with Beamer if he doesn't improve, and who they hire will tell us, but it's hard not to give them the benefit of the doubt.



The way I see it, the conference can handle two, MAYBE three teams that aren't all in committed to being the best they can in football. Wake's ceiling is so low, you almost have to count them as one of those three, even if they are really trying. You've got UVA. You basically need all, or almost all of those question marks programs to show up. So there's still a long way to go, but I think if I made this list even five years ago, it would look much more depressing.
04-17-2015 09:49 AM
Find all posts by this user
nzmorange Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,000
Joined: Sep 2012
Reputation: 279
I Root For: UAB
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 09:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The one team which acts like it's afraid for the ACC to fail is Duke. They have improved dramatically in football, both on and off the field.

I like the moves I've seen at BC and Pitt, but it remains to be seen how good they will become. VT is making every effort to send Beamer out on top, IMO. GT eased up on football a little and were rewarded with wins over UGa and Miss. State. There ARE signs. Trouble is, just about everybody is competing harder these days.

Yeah, I agree it's in between. There isn't a sense of super urgency, but I think you are seeing some moves across the conference. I don't think there is ANY doubt that no matter how close or how far the ACC was to falling apart, the last realignment shook some people. I know it shook Swofford. Don't forget, whether FSU and Clemson were ever considering the Big 12, the ACC did lose Maryland, and only has FSU because of the SEC's new TV business model. I would not describe the overall attitude as complacent toward football the way I think it was 10 years ago.

A lot of positive efforts going on around the league...

FSU - Old athletic director out, finally got the indoor practice facility, seems to be on the same page as far as Jimbo getting what he needs, but not running roughshod over the athletic department. Was able to make Jimbo an elite paid head coach.

Clemson - Was willing to have the highest paid coordinators in the game.

Duke - Football program revitalized, been able to hold Cutcliff, massive upgrades to football stadium

GT - Getting the academic exceptions they need to compete

Pitt - Narduzzi was one of the hottest head coaching candidates among coordinators, can't complain about that hire on paper. Got rid of their athletic director...let's see who they land.

Louisville - Can't complain about Louisville's commitment to football, hiring back Petrino and taking on players with checkered pasts, as well as everything else they've done.

Wake - their ceiling is incredibly low...the ACC doesn't even need them to be good. But them sending Grobe packing, a legend as far as Wake football is concerned, is the furthest thing from complacent. I don't know if it was a good move...but it's definitely not a "traditional ACC" move

Then you've got a bunch of schools that are question marks right now, largely because their coaches are still question marks. The next year or too will tell the tale on whether they are all in.

Miami - Golden was an unconvincing hire for a program of that stature, and his program has been underwhelming. His retention this year was definitely questionable from a football commitment standpoint...if he's retained after another disappointing year, we've got a serious problem here. With a change at the top, we'll see where this goes.

UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

NC State - Some good signs from Doeren, jury still out obviously. NC State's recommitment has paid off in basketball, we'll see what happens here. I will say that NC State has been more willing than most ACC schools to cut an average coach loose, and that's good, but it's just never quite worked out for them quite yet.

Syracuse - Not sure anyone believes in their heart that Shafer is the right guy. Seems overmatched in a major conference, and doesn't seem like an ACC caliber hire. Are they willing to cut him loose if he has a 5-6 win year? They booted their athletic director, who did some good things, but who seemed a bit over his head in the ACC.

Then you've got the schools with a lot to prove commitment wise...

BC - Addazio seems to be a good fit right now. Seems to be bringing some much needed intensity to the position, and trying to improve BC's "cool factor" a bit. But BC has a history of small-timing their football program, despite some success. The dumb way they fired Jagondzinski, the fact that Tom O'Brien left for at most a lateral move, and the way they rode the Spaziani train all the way down. Add to that the unnecessarily aggressive scheduling. It will take a bit for me to believe that BC is in it to win it in football.

UVA - between the scheduling and the retention of London, it's hard not to write of UVA of simply being unwilling to be a real football program. Considering their resources, this program refusing to compete is a blow to ACC football. Might be better off heading straight to Kansas level 2-win seasons and not risk messing it up by upsetting anyone else.

And finally VT -

VT - Obviously, they are in the toughest spot that a football program gets in. The basketball hire made some waves, so it's really hard to imagine VT is going to small-time the hiring of Beamer's replacement. How long they continue with Beamer if he doesn't improve, and who they hire will tell us, but it's hard not to give them the benefit of the doubt.



The way I see it, the conference can handle two, MAYBE three teams that aren't all in committed to being the best they can in football. Wake's ceiling is so low, you almost have to count them as one of those three, even if they are really trying. You've got UVA. You basically need all, or almost all of those question marks programs to show up. So there's still a long way to go, but I think if I made this list even five years ago, it would look much more depressing.
This is a good post. I've covered my views earlier, but I want to rehash them.

*As I see it, UL is hungry (they have had to fight their way up the ladder and are just now getting to the top), FSU carries a ton of weight, Duke is playing to win (they probably benefit more than anybody not named Wake by the ACC existing), Wake is playing to win (they need the ACC to survive).

*Clemson isn't committed to being good at anything (worthwhile) not named football and possibly baseball - and even that is average right now. And, even then, the degree to which baseball is worthwhile is dubious.

*Pitt loses coaches and AD's more often than some people change underwear. I highly doubt their commitment to winning.

*GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.

*NCSU shouldn't be as bad at everything as they are. I really don't care what the political situation is in NC. That excuse only goes so far.

*BC is BC. I think that they could be better in football, but the program is clearly trying. BC basketball is not.

*VT is in a tough spot and made a great bball coach hire. I just doubt their commitment to being competitive in football. Honoring a legend is a luxury and I completely understand what they're doing and why, but it's not a move you make if you want to win as much as possible. That said, I'm sure the next HC will be good.

*Miami, UNC, and UVA are chronic underachievers in football.

*Syracuse is a question wrapped in an enigma that's shrouded in uncertainty. I honestly have no idea how we are going to shakeout. It all depends on who we hire as an AD and how we structure their compensation. We have a new Chancellor, no AD, a basketball coach walking out the door, and a football coach on the hot seat. If there was ever a time to break the bank on a guy who knows how to run a good athletic department, now would be that time. I really, really hope that we're smart enough to see that fact. On the bright side, we do have a very profitable athletic department with very strong teams and good history in our revenue sports (football, basketball, and lacrosse). I have no idea if we will, but we *should* be able to attract a strong candidate. The sanctions might even help us. It's a really easy way to make a name, and if the AD screws up, it's really easy to pass the blame on to the NCAA or DG. Really, the upside is HUGE and the downside is minimal.

That said, I do think that things are swinging upwards. There just aren't many fires lit under programs like there are in the Big XII.
(This post was last modified: 04-17-2015 10:13 AM by nzmorange.)
04-17-2015 10:07 AM
Find all posts by this user
Lucy Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,524
Joined: Apr 2002
Reputation: 70
I Root For: Wake Forest
Location: Raleigh, NC

DonatorsCrappies
Post: #24
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
I met Clawson & the coaching staff at the Wake Women's Football Clinic last summer. I was very impressed by their knowledge & commitment. They also worked my butt off in the on-field drills. 06-football

He has put together a good recruiting class for next year & has a great start on 2016's class too. Grobe left the cupboard extremely bare, so the staff is still working with good guys with lower level talent. I expect steady improvement in the next 2 years and then y'all really need to watch out!
04-17-2015 10:50 AM
Find all posts by this user
Hokie Mark Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,727
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 1392
I Root For: VT, ACC teams
Location: Greensboro, NC
Post: #25
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 10:50 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Clawson & the coaching staff... has put together a good recruiting class for next year & has a great start on 2016's class too. Grobe left the cupboard extremely bare, so the staff is still working with good guys with lower level talent. I expect steady improvement in the next 2 years and then y'all really need to watch out!

^^^ THIS ^^^

For those who think Wake should've held onto Grobe - he was basically done.
04-17-2015 11:04 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
georgia_tech_swagger Offline
Res publica non dominetur
*

Posts: 51,393
Joined: Feb 2002
Reputation: 2017
I Root For: GT, USCU, FU, WYO
Location: Upstate, SC

SkunkworksFolding@NCAAbbsNCAAbbs LUGCrappies
Post: #26
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  *GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.


Damnnnnnn even Syracuse fans know what The Hill is.
04-17-2015 12:59 PM
Find all posts by this user
BornAJacket Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 96
Joined: Mar 2015
Reputation: 2
I Root For: Georgia Tech
Location:
Post: #27
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 12:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  *GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.


Damnnnnnn even Syracuse fans know what The Hill is.

I was going to say the same thing. And I pretty much agree with his statement about the Hills position too.
04-17-2015 01:28 PM
Find all posts by this user
cuseroc Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 15,262
Joined: Mar 2005
Reputation: 546
I Root For: Syracuse
Location: Rochester/Sarasota

Donators
Post: #28
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 12:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  *GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.


Damnnnnnn even Syracuse fans know what The Hill is.

Not this SU fan, but I took it he was talking about the area where your AD dept reigns.
04-17-2015 01:55 PM
Find all posts by this user
georgia_tech_swagger Offline
Res publica non dominetur
*

Posts: 51,393
Joined: Feb 2002
Reputation: 2017
I Root For: GT, USCU, FU, WYO
Location: Upstate, SC

SkunkworksFolding@NCAAbbsNCAAbbs LUGCrappies
Post: #29
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 01:55 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Not this SU fan, but I took it he was talking about the area where your AD dept reigns.

Incorrect.

Taken literally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Ins...c_District

It is used to refer to the academic administration elements within GT. Including those who decide exemptions, etc.
04-17-2015 02:12 PM
Find all posts by this user
ken d Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 17,335
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 1211
I Root For: college sports
Location: Raleigh
Post: #30
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:50 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Clawson & the coaching staff... has put together a good recruiting class for next year & has a great start on 2016's class too. Grobe left the cupboard extremely bare, so the staff is still working with good guys with lower level talent. I expect steady improvement in the next 2 years and then y'all really need to watch out!

^^^ THIS ^^^

For those who think Wake should've held onto Grobe - he was basically done.

It wasn't as if Wake ran Grobe off. He quit. The problem was that he apparently quit before he resigned. Thus the bare cupboard. It's too bad his legacy will likely be tarnished by that. He did a hell of a job for longer than anybody believed he could.
04-17-2015 03:19 PM
Find all posts by this user
Lucy Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,524
Joined: Apr 2002
Reputation: 70
I Root For: Wake Forest
Location: Raleigh, NC

DonatorsCrappies
Post: #31
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 03:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:50 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Clawson & the coaching staff... has put together a good recruiting class for next year & has a great start on 2016's class too. Grobe left the cupboard extremely bare, so the staff is still working with good guys with lower level talent. I expect steady improvement in the next 2 years and then y'all really need to watch out!

^^^ THIS ^^^

For those who think Wake should've held onto Grobe - he was basically done.

It wasn't as if Wake ran Grobe off. He quit. The problem was that he apparently quit before he resigned. Thus the bare cupboard. It's too bad his legacy will likely be tarnished by that. He did a hell of a job for longer than anybody believed he could.

Agreed. But we now know that it is possible to field a conference-winning football team at Wake and the fanbase will support it with bodies in the seats & with $$.
04-17-2015 03:53 PM
Find all posts by this user
lumberpack4 Offline
Banned

Posts: 4,336
Joined: Jun 2013
I Root For: ACC
Location:
Post: #32
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 03:53 PM)Lucy Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 03:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 11:04 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:50 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Clawson & the coaching staff... has put together a good recruiting class for next year & has a great start on 2016's class too. Grobe left the cupboard extremely bare, so the staff is still working with good guys with lower level talent. I expect steady improvement in the next 2 years and then y'all really need to watch out!

^^^ THIS ^^^

For those who think Wake should've held onto Grobe - he was basically done.

It wasn't as if Wake ran Grobe off. He quit. The problem was that he apparently quit before he resigned. Thus the bare cupboard. It's too bad his legacy will likely be tarnished by that. He did a hell of a job for longer than anybody believed he could.

Agreed. But we now know that it is possible to field a conference-winning football team at Wake and the fanbase will support it with bodies in the seats & with $$.

Under Grobe WF went

2001 - 6-5
2002 - 7-6
2003 - 5-7
2004 - 4-7
2005 - 4-7
2006 - 11-3 (Orange Bowl/ACC champs)
2007 - 9-4
2008 - 8-5

In 2006 FSU was 7-6, Clemson was 8-5. The other NC Schools were NC State 3-9, UNC 3-9, and Duke 0-12

In 2007 FSU was 7-6, Clemson was 9-4. The other NC Schools were NC State 5-7, UNC 4-8, Duke 1-11

In 2008 FSU was 9-4, Clemson was 7-6. The other NC Schools were NCSU 6-7, UNC 8-4, Duke 4-8

My point is that the data shows that WF has to draw an inside straight - they need FSU and Clemson to be way down, and as WF thrives the other three NC schools stink.

The resuscitation of the FSU and Clemson programs hurt WF as well as any success by other NC schools. The WF recruiting under Grobe thrived on getting a handful of kids each year that normally would have gone to NC State or UNC, and beating WF for the kid that looks at WF and Duke.

I see no way for Duke and WF to be successful on the football field at the same time.
04-17-2015 05:35 PM
Find all posts by this user
georgia_tech_swagger Offline
Res publica non dominetur
*

Posts: 51,393
Joined: Feb 2002
Reputation: 2017
I Root For: GT, USCU, FU, WYO
Location: Upstate, SC

SkunkworksFolding@NCAAbbsNCAAbbs LUGCrappies
Post: #33
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
They also won that title through vintage Grade A 160 proof Chan-tastic offense. How do you neutralize Calvin Johnson against a totally outmatched Wake Forest secondary? Have Reggie Ball throw to him.
04-17-2015 05:44 PM
Find all posts by this user
Kaplony Offline
Palmetto State Deplorable

Posts: 25,393
Joined: Apr 2013
I Root For: Newberry
Location: SC
Post: #34
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

I've never seen Fedora as a legit hire. He was mediocre at Southern Miss for all but one year and UNC hired him off of that year. Other than 2011 Fedora has always been around a 7 win a year coach and nothing he has done while at UNC leads anyone but Tarheel fans to believe he is going to change that.

What does scare the crap out of me in regards to Fedora is how Southern Miss has absolutely fell apart since that one magical year. He left at the right time because the cupboard was absolutely bare starting in 2012 and continuing today. When you consider the fact that up until then Southern Miss was one of if not the most consistent winner of the non-BCS/P5 schools for 20 years before that one has to have a little concern.
04-17-2015 05:54 PM
Find all posts by this user
Hokie Mark Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,727
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 1392
I Root For: VT, ACC teams
Location: Greensboro, NC
Post: #35
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 05:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

I've never seen Fedora as a legit hire. He was mediocre at Southern Miss for all but one year and UNC hired him off of that year. Other than 2011 Fedora has always been around a 7 win a year coach and nothing he has done while at UNC leads anyone but Tarheel fans to believe he is going to change that.

What does scare the crap out of me in regards to Fedora is how Southern Miss has absolutely fell apart since that one magical year. He left at the right time because the cupboard was absolutely bare starting in 2012 and continuing today. When you consider the fact that up until then Southern Miss was one of if not the most consistent winner of the non-BCS/P5 schools for 20 years before that one has to have a little concern.

I've never been a fan of Fedora either - unimpressed so far.

There is one other factor in the demise of So. Miss football - the rise of both Ole Miss and Miss. State. As those two have recruited better, that has no doubt put the squeeze on So. Miss.
04-17-2015 08:29 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
nzmorange Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,000
Joined: Sep 2012
Reputation: 279
I Root For: UAB
Location:
Post: #36
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 08:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 05:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

I've never seen Fedora as a legit hire. He was mediocre at Southern Miss for all but one year and UNC hired him off of that year. Other than 2011 Fedora has always been around a 7 win a year coach and nothing he has done while at UNC leads anyone but Tarheel fans to believe he is going to change that.

What does scare the crap out of me in regards to Fedora is how Southern Miss has absolutely fell apart since that one magical year. He left at the right time because the cupboard was absolutely bare starting in 2012 and continuing today. When you consider the fact that up until then Southern Miss was one of if not the most consistent winner of the non-BCS/P5 schools for 20 years before that one has to have a little concern.

I've never been a fan of Fedora either - unimpressed so far.

There is one other factor in the demise of So. Miss football - the rise of both Ole Miss and Miss. State. As those two have recruited better, that has no doubt put the squeeze on So. Miss.

I wonder how much that matters, though. Everybody in their brother has been raiding Mississippi for years.
04-17-2015 09:33 PM
Find all posts by this user
samandrea Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 755
Joined: Sep 2011
Reputation: 58
I Root For: UNC
Location: Northern VA
Post: #37
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
I am starting to feel the same. I will keep an open mind this year. He has 10 of 1 1 starters back on offense and finally got rid of vic. No reason not to win 9 games this year.
04-18-2015 09:19 PM
Find all posts by this user
dawgitall Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,111
Joined: Apr 2006
Reputation: 195
I Root For: ECU/ASU/NCSU
Location:
Post: #38
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 09:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The one team which acts like it's afraid for the ACC to fail is Duke. They have improved dramatically in football, both on and off the field.

I like the moves I've seen at BC and Pitt, but it remains to be seen how good they will become. VT is making every effort to send Beamer out on top, IMO. GT eased up on football a little and were rewarded with wins over UGa and Miss. State. There ARE signs. Trouble is, just about everybody is competing harder these days.

Yeah, I agree it's in between. There isn't a sense of super urgency, but I think you are seeing some moves across the conference. I don't think there is ANY doubt that no matter how close or how far the ACC was to falling apart, the last realignment shook some people. I know it shook Swofford. Don't forget, whether FSU and Clemson were ever considering the Big 12, the ACC did lose Maryland, and only has FSU because of the SEC's new TV business model. I would not describe the overall attitude as complacent toward football the way I think it was 10 years ago.

A lot of positive efforts going on around the league...

FSU - Old athletic director out, finally got the indoor practice facility, seems to be on the same page as far as Jimbo getting what he needs, but not running roughshod over the athletic department. Was able to make Jimbo an elite paid head coach.

Clemson - Was willing to have the highest paid coordinators in the game.

Duke - Football program revitalized, been able to hold Cutcliff, massive upgrades to football stadium

GT - Getting the academic exceptions they need to compete

Pitt - Narduzzi was one of the hottest head coaching candidates among coordinators, can't complain about that hire on paper. Got rid of their athletic director...let's see who they land.

Louisville - Can't complain about Louisville's commitment to football, hiring back Petrino and taking on players with checkered pasts, as well as everything else they've done.

Wake - their ceiling is incredibly low...the ACC doesn't even need them to be good. But them sending Grobe packing, a legend as far as Wake football is concerned, is the furthest thing from complacent. I don't know if it was a good move...but it's definitely not a "traditional ACC" move

Then you've got a bunch of schools that are question marks right now, largely because their coaches are still question marks. The next year or too will tell the tale on whether they are all in.

Miami - Golden was an unconvincing hire for a program of that stature, and his program has been underwhelming. His retention this year was definitely questionable from a football commitment standpoint...if he's retained after another disappointing year, we've got a serious problem here. With a change at the top, we'll see where this goes.

UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

NC State - Some good signs from Doeren, jury still out obviously. NC State's recommitment has paid off in basketball, we'll see what happens here. I will say that NC State has been more willing than most ACC schools to cut an average coach loose, and that's good, but it's just never quite worked out for them quite yet.

Syracuse - Not sure anyone believes in their heart that Shafer is the right guy. Seems overmatched in a major conference, and doesn't seem like an ACC caliber hire. Are they willing to cut him loose if he has a 5-6 win year? They booted their athletic director, who did some good things, but who seemed a bit over his head in the ACC.

Then you've got the schools with a lot to prove commitment wise...

BC - Addazio seems to be a good fit right now. Seems to be bringing some much needed intensity to the position, and trying to improve BC's "cool factor" a bit. But BC has a history of small-timing their football program, despite some success. The dumb way they fired Jagondzinski, the fact that Tom O'Brien left for at most a lateral move, and the way they rode the Spaziani train all the way down. Add to that the unnecessarily aggressive scheduling. It will take a bit for me to believe that BC is in it to win it in football.

UVA - between the scheduling and the retention of London, it's hard not to write of UVA of simply being unwilling to be a real football program. Considering their resources, this program refusing to compete is a blow to ACC football. Might be better off heading straight to Kansas level 2-win seasons and not risk messing it up by upsetting anyone else.

And finally VT -

VT - Obviously, they are in the toughest spot that a football program gets in. The basketball hire made some waves, so it's really hard to imagine VT is going to small-time the hiring of Beamer's replacement. How long they continue with Beamer if he doesn't improve, and who they hire will tell us, but it's hard not to give them the benefit of the doubt.



The way I see it, the conference can handle two, MAYBE three teams that aren't all in committed to being the best they can in football. Wake's ceiling is so low, you almost have to count them as one of those three, even if they are really trying. You've got UVA. You basically need all, or almost all of those question marks programs to show up. So there's still a long way to go, but I think if I made this list even five years ago, it would look much more depressing.
This is a good post. I've covered my views earlier, but I want to rehash them.

*As I see it, UL is hungry (they have had to fight their way up the ladder and are just now getting to the top), FSU carries a ton of weight, Duke is playing to win (they probably benefit more than anybody not named Wake by the ACC existing), Wake is playing to win (they need the ACC to survive).

*Clemson isn't committed to being good at anything (worthwhile) not named football and possibly baseball - and even that is average right now. And, even then, the degree to which baseball is worthwhile is dubious.

*Pitt loses coaches and AD's more often than some people change underwear. I highly doubt their commitment to winning.

*GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.

*NCSU shouldn't be as bad at everything as they are. I really don't care what the political situation is in NC. That excuse only goes so far.

*BC is BC. I think that they could be better in football, but the program is clearly trying. BC basketball is not.

*VT is in a tough spot and made a great bball coach hire. I just doubt their commitment to being competitive in football. Honoring a legend is a luxury and I completely understand what they're doing and why, but it's not a move you make if you want to win as much as possible. That said, I'm sure the next HC will be good.

*Miami, UNC, and UVA are chronic underachievers in football.

*Syracuse is a question wrapped in an enigma that's shrouded in uncertainty. I honestly have no idea how we are going to shakeout. It all depends on who we hire as an AD and how we structure their compensation. We have a new Chancellor, no AD, a basketball coach walking out the door, and a football coach on the hot seat. If there was ever a time to break the bank on a guy who knows how to run a good athletic department, now would be that time. I really, really hope that we're smart enough to see that fact. On the bright side, we do have a very profitable athletic department with very strong teams and good history in our revenue sports (football, basketball, and lacrosse). I have no idea if we will, but we *should* be able to attract a strong candidate. The sanctions might even help us. It's a really easy way to make a name, and if the AD screws up, it's really easy to pass the blame on to the NCAA or DG. Really, the upside is HUGE and the downside is minimal.

That said, I do think that things are swinging upwards. There just aren't many fires lit under programs like there are in the Big XII.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here? The NC State football team won five more games this last season than the season before. The men's basketball team was in the Sweet 16. The men's swim team won the conference I believe and the heavyweight wrestling national champion is from State. They have moved up dramatically in the last five years in the Director's Cup. They finished in the top twenty-five in seven sports so far in 2014-15. What are you basing what you said on?
04-18-2015 10:02 PM
Find all posts by this user
nzmorange Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,000
Joined: Sep 2012
Reputation: 279
I Root For: UAB
Location:
Post: #39
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-18-2015 10:02 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 09:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The one team which acts like it's afraid for the ACC to fail is Duke. They have improved dramatically in football, both on and off the field.

I like the moves I've seen at BC and Pitt, but it remains to be seen how good they will become. VT is making every effort to send Beamer out on top, IMO. GT eased up on football a little and were rewarded with wins over UGa and Miss. State. There ARE signs. Trouble is, just about everybody is competing harder these days.

Yeah, I agree it's in between. There isn't a sense of super urgency, but I think you are seeing some moves across the conference. I don't think there is ANY doubt that no matter how close or how far the ACC was to falling apart, the last realignment shook some people. I know it shook Swofford. Don't forget, whether FSU and Clemson were ever considering the Big 12, the ACC did lose Maryland, and only has FSU because of the SEC's new TV business model. I would not describe the overall attitude as complacent toward football the way I think it was 10 years ago.

A lot of positive efforts going on around the league...

FSU - Old athletic director out, finally got the indoor practice facility, seems to be on the same page as far as Jimbo getting what he needs, but not running roughshod over the athletic department. Was able to make Jimbo an elite paid head coach.

Clemson - Was willing to have the highest paid coordinators in the game.

Duke - Football program revitalized, been able to hold Cutcliff, massive upgrades to football stadium

GT - Getting the academic exceptions they need to compete

Pitt - Narduzzi was one of the hottest head coaching candidates among coordinators, can't complain about that hire on paper. Got rid of their athletic director...let's see who they land.

Louisville - Can't complain about Louisville's commitment to football, hiring back Petrino and taking on players with checkered pasts, as well as everything else they've done.

Wake - their ceiling is incredibly low...the ACC doesn't even need them to be good. But them sending Grobe packing, a legend as far as Wake football is concerned, is the furthest thing from complacent. I don't know if it was a good move...but it's definitely not a "traditional ACC" move

Then you've got a bunch of schools that are question marks right now, largely because their coaches are still question marks. The next year or too will tell the tale on whether they are all in.

Miami - Golden was an unconvincing hire for a program of that stature, and his program has been underwhelming. His retention this year was definitely questionable from a football commitment standpoint...if he's retained after another disappointing year, we've got a serious problem here. With a change at the top, we'll see where this goes.

UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

NC State - Some good signs from Doeren, jury still out obviously. NC State's recommitment has paid off in basketball, we'll see what happens here. I will say that NC State has been more willing than most ACC schools to cut an average coach loose, and that's good, but it's just never quite worked out for them quite yet.

Syracuse - Not sure anyone believes in their heart that Shafer is the right guy. Seems overmatched in a major conference, and doesn't seem like an ACC caliber hire. Are they willing to cut him loose if he has a 5-6 win year? They booted their athletic director, who did some good things, but who seemed a bit over his head in the ACC.

Then you've got the schools with a lot to prove commitment wise...

BC - Addazio seems to be a good fit right now. Seems to be bringing some much needed intensity to the position, and trying to improve BC's "cool factor" a bit. But BC has a history of small-timing their football program, despite some success. The dumb way they fired Jagondzinski, the fact that Tom O'Brien left for at most a lateral move, and the way they rode the Spaziani train all the way down. Add to that the unnecessarily aggressive scheduling. It will take a bit for me to believe that BC is in it to win it in football.

UVA - between the scheduling and the retention of London, it's hard not to write of UVA of simply being unwilling to be a real football program. Considering their resources, this program refusing to compete is a blow to ACC football. Might be better off heading straight to Kansas level 2-win seasons and not risk messing it up by upsetting anyone else.

And finally VT -

VT - Obviously, they are in the toughest spot that a football program gets in. The basketball hire made some waves, so it's really hard to imagine VT is going to small-time the hiring of Beamer's replacement. How long they continue with Beamer if he doesn't improve, and who they hire will tell us, but it's hard not to give them the benefit of the doubt.



The way I see it, the conference can handle two, MAYBE three teams that aren't all in committed to being the best they can in football. Wake's ceiling is so low, you almost have to count them as one of those three, even if they are really trying. You've got UVA. You basically need all, or almost all of those question marks programs to show up. So there's still a long way to go, but I think if I made this list even five years ago, it would look much more depressing.
This is a good post. I've covered my views earlier, but I want to rehash them.

*As I see it, UL is hungry (they have had to fight their way up the ladder and are just now getting to the top), FSU carries a ton of weight, Duke is playing to win (they probably benefit more than anybody not named Wake by the ACC existing), Wake is playing to win (they need the ACC to survive).

*Clemson isn't committed to being good at anything (worthwhile) not named football and possibly baseball - and even that is average right now. And, even then, the degree to which baseball is worthwhile is dubious.

*Pitt loses coaches and AD's more often than some people change underwear. I highly doubt their commitment to winning.

*GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.

*NCSU shouldn't be as bad at everything as they are. I really don't care what the political situation is in NC. That excuse only goes so far.

*BC is BC. I think that they could be better in football, but the program is clearly trying. BC basketball is not.

*VT is in a tough spot and made a great bball coach hire. I just doubt their commitment to being competitive in football. Honoring a legend is a luxury and I completely understand what they're doing and why, but it's not a move you make if you want to win as much as possible. That said, I'm sure the next HC will be good.

*Miami, UNC, and UVA are chronic underachievers in football.

*Syracuse is a question wrapped in an enigma that's shrouded in uncertainty. I honestly have no idea how we are going to shakeout. It all depends on who we hire as an AD and how we structure their compensation. We have a new Chancellor, no AD, a basketball coach walking out the door, and a football coach on the hot seat. If there was ever a time to break the bank on a guy who knows how to run a good athletic department, now would be that time. I really, really hope that we're smart enough to see that fact. On the bright side, we do have a very profitable athletic department with very strong teams and good history in our revenue sports (football, basketball, and lacrosse). I have no idea if we will, but we *should* be able to attract a strong candidate. The sanctions might even help us. It's a really easy way to make a name, and if the AD screws up, it's really easy to pass the blame on to the NCAA or DG. Really, the upside is HUGE and the downside is minimal.

That said, I do think that things are swinging upwards. There just aren't many fires lit under programs like there are in the Big XII.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here? The NC State football team won five more games this last season than the season before. The men's basketball team was in the Sweet 16. The men's swim team won the conference I believe and the heavyweight wrestling national champion is from State. They have moved up dramatically in the last five years in the Director's Cup. They finished in the top twenty-five in seven sports so far in 2014-15. What are you basing what you said on?

Basketball and football are the only two sports that matter. I'm not sure why you are bringing heavyweight wrestling, and swimming into the mix, and then I am even less sure why you are double counting those by bringing NCSU's directors' cup standing into the mix and then mentioning finishing in the top 25 in "seven sports so far."

But addressing football, you went 8-5, which isn't a bad record until you take out the 4 joke games (Old Dominion, Georgia Southern, USF, and Presbyterian). Not counting the worst school in a g5 conference, a fcs school, and 2 schools transitioning from fcs, you went 4-5. That isn't "good," especially since you went 3-9 the year before with wins over Richmond, CMU, and LA Tech.

Addressing basketball, NCSU has made it to the Sweet 16 twice in the last decade and 3 times since 1990 (full disclosure, NCSU made it in '05, which is *just* over a decade away and '89). Furthermore, NCSU hasn't gone beyond the Sweet Sixteen since 1986, or won the ACC since 1987. That isn't a strong history, and NCSU basketball looks equally bleak moving forward. Who do you have returning, and who have you recruited?

In summary, NCSU football is fighting to be mediocre and NCSU basketball is vanilla at best. You guys shouldn't be *that* bad in everything that matters.
(This post was last modified: 04-19-2015 08:02 AM by nzmorange.)
04-19-2015 08:00 AM
Find all posts by this user
dawgitall Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 8,111
Joined: Apr 2006
Reputation: 195
I Root For: ECU/ASU/NCSU
Location:
Post: #40
RE: Pivotal season for ACC football in 2015
(04-19-2015 08:00 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-18-2015 10:02 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 10:07 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:49 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 09:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The one team which acts like it's afraid for the ACC to fail is Duke. They have improved dramatically in football, both on and off the field.

I like the moves I've seen at BC and Pitt, but it remains to be seen how good they will become. VT is making every effort to send Beamer out on top, IMO. GT eased up on football a little and were rewarded with wins over UGa and Miss. State. There ARE signs. Trouble is, just about everybody is competing harder these days.

Yeah, I agree it's in between. There isn't a sense of super urgency, but I think you are seeing some moves across the conference. I don't think there is ANY doubt that no matter how close or how far the ACC was to falling apart, the last realignment shook some people. I know it shook Swofford. Don't forget, whether FSU and Clemson were ever considering the Big 12, the ACC did lose Maryland, and only has FSU because of the SEC's new TV business model. I would not describe the overall attitude as complacent toward football the way I think it was 10 years ago.

A lot of positive efforts going on around the league...

FSU - Old athletic director out, finally got the indoor practice facility, seems to be on the same page as far as Jimbo getting what he needs, but not running roughshod over the athletic department. Was able to make Jimbo an elite paid head coach.

Clemson - Was willing to have the highest paid coordinators in the game.

Duke - Football program revitalized, been able to hold Cutcliff, massive upgrades to football stadium

GT - Getting the academic exceptions they need to compete

Pitt - Narduzzi was one of the hottest head coaching candidates among coordinators, can't complain about that hire on paper. Got rid of their athletic director...let's see who they land.

Louisville - Can't complain about Louisville's commitment to football, hiring back Petrino and taking on players with checkered pasts, as well as everything else they've done.

Wake - their ceiling is incredibly low...the ACC doesn't even need them to be good. But them sending Grobe packing, a legend as far as Wake football is concerned, is the furthest thing from complacent. I don't know if it was a good move...but it's definitely not a "traditional ACC" move

Then you've got a bunch of schools that are question marks right now, largely because their coaches are still question marks. The next year or too will tell the tale on whether they are all in.

Miami - Golden was an unconvincing hire for a program of that stature, and his program has been underwhelming. His retention this year was definitely questionable from a football commitment standpoint...if he's retained after another disappointing year, we've got a serious problem here. With a change at the top, we'll see where this goes.

UNC - Who the hell knows? Fedora was a legit hire at the time...results have been pretty mediocre. And has any team ever accomplished less with so much malfeasance. Cleaning up a program always comes at the cost of wins in the short term, so could be a real problem as the school cleans up a program that couldn't even win when cheating. It might be time to give up on this sleeping giant awakening any time soon.

NC State - Some good signs from Doeren, jury still out obviously. NC State's recommitment has paid off in basketball, we'll see what happens here. I will say that NC State has been more willing than most ACC schools to cut an average coach loose, and that's good, but it's just never quite worked out for them quite yet.

Syracuse - Not sure anyone believes in their heart that Shafer is the right guy. Seems overmatched in a major conference, and doesn't seem like an ACC caliber hire. Are they willing to cut him loose if he has a 5-6 win year? They booted their athletic director, who did some good things, but who seemed a bit over his head in the ACC.

Then you've got the schools with a lot to prove commitment wise...

BC - Addazio seems to be a good fit right now. Seems to be bringing some much needed intensity to the position, and trying to improve BC's "cool factor" a bit. But BC has a history of small-timing their football program, despite some success. The dumb way they fired Jagondzinski, the fact that Tom O'Brien left for at most a lateral move, and the way they rode the Spaziani train all the way down. Add to that the unnecessarily aggressive scheduling. It will take a bit for me to believe that BC is in it to win it in football.

UVA - between the scheduling and the retention of London, it's hard not to write of UVA of simply being unwilling to be a real football program. Considering their resources, this program refusing to compete is a blow to ACC football. Might be better off heading straight to Kansas level 2-win seasons and not risk messing it up by upsetting anyone else.

And finally VT -

VT - Obviously, they are in the toughest spot that a football program gets in. The basketball hire made some waves, so it's really hard to imagine VT is going to small-time the hiring of Beamer's replacement. How long they continue with Beamer if he doesn't improve, and who they hire will tell us, but it's hard not to give them the benefit of the doubt.



The way I see it, the conference can handle two, MAYBE three teams that aren't all in committed to being the best they can in football. Wake's ceiling is so low, you almost have to count them as one of those three, even if they are really trying. You've got UVA. You basically need all, or almost all of those question marks programs to show up. So there's still a long way to go, but I think if I made this list even five years ago, it would look much more depressing.
This is a good post. I've covered my views earlier, but I want to rehash them.

*As I see it, UL is hungry (they have had to fight their way up the ladder and are just now getting to the top), FSU carries a ton of weight, Duke is playing to win (they probably benefit more than anybody not named Wake by the ACC existing), Wake is playing to win (they need the ACC to survive).

*Clemson isn't committed to being good at anything (worthwhile) not named football and possibly baseball - and even that is average right now. And, even then, the degree to which baseball is worthwhile is dubious.

*Pitt loses coaches and AD's more often than some people change underwear. I highly doubt their commitment to winning.

*GT has an immeasurable amount of potential, but I question how much the hill cares about athletics. They are very, very hamstrung and I am not convinced that they are committed to consistently winning.

*NCSU shouldn't be as bad at everything as they are. I really don't care what the political situation is in NC. That excuse only goes so far.

*BC is BC. I think that they could be better in football, but the program is clearly trying. BC basketball is not.

*VT is in a tough spot and made a great bball coach hire. I just doubt their commitment to being competitive in football. Honoring a legend is a luxury and I completely understand what they're doing and why, but it's not a move you make if you want to win as much as possible. That said, I'm sure the next HC will be good.

*Miami, UNC, and UVA are chronic underachievers in football.

*Syracuse is a question wrapped in an enigma that's shrouded in uncertainty. I honestly have no idea how we are going to shakeout. It all depends on who we hire as an AD and how we structure their compensation. We have a new Chancellor, no AD, a basketball coach walking out the door, and a football coach on the hot seat. If there was ever a time to break the bank on a guy who knows how to run a good athletic department, now would be that time. I really, really hope that we're smart enough to see that fact. On the bright side, we do have a very profitable athletic department with very strong teams and good history in our revenue sports (football, basketball, and lacrosse). I have no idea if we will, but we *should* be able to attract a strong candidate. The sanctions might even help us. It's a really easy way to make a name, and if the AD screws up, it's really easy to pass the blame on to the NCAA or DG. Really, the upside is HUGE and the downside is minimal.

That said, I do think that things are swinging upwards. There just aren't many fires lit under programs like there are in the Big XII.

I'm not sure what you are talking about here? The NC State football team won five more games this last season than the season before. The men's basketball team was in the Sweet 16. The men's swim team won the conference I believe and the heavyweight wrestling national champion is from State. They have moved up dramatically in the last five years in the Director's Cup. They finished in the top twenty-five in seven sports so far in 2014-15. What are you basing what you said on?

Basketball and football are the only two sports that matter. I'm not sure why you are bringing heavyweight wrestling, and swimming into the mix, and then I am even less sure why you are double counting those by bringing NCSU's directors' cup standing into the mix and then mentioning finishing in the top 25 in "seven sports so far."

But addressing football, you went 8-5, which isn't a bad record until you take out the 4 joke games (Old Dominion, Georgia Southern, USF, and Presbyterian). Not counting the worst school in a g5 conference, a fcs school, and 2 schools transitioning from fcs, you went 4-5. That isn't "good," especially since you went 3-9 the year before with wins over Richmond, CMU, and LA Tech.

Addressing basketball, NCSU has made it to the Sweet 16 twice in the last decade and 3 times since 1990 (full disclosure, NCSU made it in '05, which is *just* over a decade away and '89). Furthermore, NCSU hasn't gone beyond the Sweet Sixteen since 1986, or won the ACC since 1987. That isn't a strong history, and NCSU basketball looks equally bleak moving forward. Who do you have returning, and who have you recruited?

In summary, NCSU football is fighting to be mediocre and NCSU basketball is vanilla at best. You guys shouldn't be *that* bad in everything that matters.

I brought it up because of your quote that I bolded. You said "bad at everything." If you had said, "either" or "both" I would have assumed you meant the two major sports, but "everything" would indicate you are talking about the entire athletic program.
04-19-2015 03:29 PM
Find all posts by this user
Thread Closed 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.