(06-22-2015 09:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Isn't the 88 million figure for Louisville pre ACC? How much will it be with ACC $? Just curious.

It is as is Rutgers figures pre Big 10. It's a 2014 listing. I guess we won't know for a while what this years numbers are for the ACC. The SEC made it easy by announcing them at the Spring meeting.

(06-22-2015 09:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Isn't the 88 million figure for Louisville pre ACC? How much will it be with ACC $? Just curious.

Did any of these Big East additions have to pay an admission fee to join the ACC?

Pitt made $66.1M for 2013-14.
Cuse made $87.6M.

Anyone know what they made in 2012-13, their last year in the Big East? You could use those numbers to get a ballpark for UL.

(06-22-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 09:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Isn't the 88 million figure for Louisville pre ACC? How much will it be with ACC $? Just curious.

Did any of these Big East additions have to pay an admission fee to join the ACC?

Pitt made $66.1M for 2013-14.
Cuse made $87.6M.

Anyone know what they made in 2012-13, their last year in the Big East? You could use those numbers to get a ballpark for UL.

What did Florida State have to pay to join?

(06-22-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 09:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Isn't the 88 million figure for Louisville pre ACC? How much will it be with ACC $? Just curious.

Did any of these Big East additions have to pay an admission fee to join the ACC?

Pitt made $66.1M for 2013-14.
Cuse made $87.6M.

Anyone know what they made in 2012-13, their last year in the Big East? You could use those numbers to get a ballpark for UL.

There were mutual benefits to SU/Pitt joining and there was no admittance fee to join the ACC. The same for Louisville. Syracuse last year in the BE was about $76.7 million, reflecting about a $11 million increase.. Louisville should expect to see at least that much of an increase, likely more, since the Acc average increases each year.

Kansas is the best option

(06-23-2015 07:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 11:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 09:56 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Isn't the 88 million figure for Louisville pre ACC? How much will it be with ACC $? Just curious.

Did any of these Big East additions have to pay an admission fee to join the ACC?

Pitt made $66.1M for 2013-14.
Cuse made $87.6M.

Anyone know what they made in 2012-13, their last year in the Big East? You could use those numbers to get a ballpark for UL.

What did Florida State have to pay to join?

$500K

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

Kansas is UNC-Ch's doppelganger. Nearly everyone there from the Chancellor on down is from as had been through UNC. That alone would cause friction with some other schools.

Kansas would put the ACC network in the Kansas, and the greater Kansas City Missouri markets so in a since it would be a one and a half state pick up, but I don't see a 16th school until Texas is ready to move. I could see Kansas as a 17th or 18th (not that I think such sizes are stable) but not 16th as the 16th needs to add big money and/or trigger more ND football games.

Texas, Navy, Purdue, or NW trigger that, but not Kansas.

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

For what?

(06-23-2015 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

For what?

Schools not to add.

(06-20-2015 10:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 10:28 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 10:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-20-2015 10:04 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

This site list public and private. This is where USA today gets it's numbers so I don't know why they leave out the privates - too shy I suppose?

1. ND 115 Million
2. FSU 104 Million
3. Louisville 89 million
4. Syracuse 87 million
5/6. UNC/UVa 84 million
7. Duke 80 million
8. Clemson 75 million
9. VT 73 million
10. Miami 72 million
11. NC State 71 million
12. GT 68 million
13. Pitt 66 million
14. BC 65 million
15. WF 56 million

Please forgive any rounding errors.

The point to all of this is that TV dollars are insignificant in as much as the discrepancies in total income are massive. Whether a conference is 2 or even 8 million behind in TV revenue may be more significant within the closed set labeled TV revenue, but as a subset of the greater Athletics Earnings category it is virtually ridiculous that so much is made over it. Alumni & Corporate donations, tickets, merchandising and licensing all add up to create a much more comprehensive and somewhat daunting picture.

Agreed. It's something a few posters on this board have a hard time grasping. Improving on the field performance and increasing fan interest plays an even more important role than total TV income. Do both, and the total TV income will come about.

Now, having said that, I do realize that the ACC has some disadvantages in this regard due to the high volume of privates and smaller state schools that operate very much like privates. So there is a ceiling, a ceiling that will likely never reach SEC and B1G heights.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil I think the undercurrent in the ACC is simply Florida State. They are the only ones that want that ceiling raised significantly. Clemson may utter similar complaints but they seem to be more comfortable in their ACC skin than do the Noles. The conundrum for them is that as long as they prop up the value for the ACC football product ESPN will never consider letting them go. Otherwise Connecticut, or Cincinnati could take their place and a relative peace would fall upon the ACC IMO, as I think that Clemson and Georgia Tech and Miami and Virginia Tech would all compete relatively well for the title of ACC football champions. Even the appearance of strength would eventually return without the dominance of the Seminoles.

Right you are JR.
The ACC would do very well without the 'noles as the face of ACC football.
Clemson would love to be able to regain their position as top dog of ACC football, and the ACC as a whole would be better off regaining their focus of becoming the PAC of the east instead of trying to emulate the SEC as a football conference (or as Omni refers to it : SEC lite).

There's that envy again.

I would like to take this opportunity to provide you with the most concise answer as to why not Kansas.

Get your popcorn ready, then click here.

If the 95 straight out the gate isn't enough for you, then jump ahead to 6:12 for it turn into video game on easy territory.

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(06-23-2015 04:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

For what?

Schools not to add.

Either Kansas comes to the ACC, or FSU goes to the Big XII, or both get in the B1G TERD conference....either way, FSU and Kansas will be together soon enough

You will buy your season tickets and rejoice to see Kansas as your first game of the year

You realize how either of those options is entirely different than inviting Kansas to the acc, right?

(06-25-2015 07:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

For what?

Schools not to add.

Either Kansas comes to the ACC, or FSU goes to the Big XII, or both get in the B1G TERD conference....either way, FSU and Kansas will be together soon enough

You will buy your season tickets and rejoice to see Kansas as your first game of the year

Yeah... how much are you willing to bet on that Mr. Dude Vodka one...?

A signature bet, perhaps?

(06-25-2015 07:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  You will buy your season tickets and rejoice to see Kansas as your first game of the year

If FSU fans are so excited to open against Kansas, they can do that NOW...

...yeah, I didn't think so!

(06-25-2015 07:09 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-23-2015 01:57 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Kansas is the best option

For what?

Schools not to add.

Either Kansas comes to the ACC, or FSU goes to the Big XII, or both get in the B1G TERD conference....either way, FSU and Kansas will be together soon enough

You will buy your season tickets and rejoice to see Kansas as your first game of the year

Is the following poster hanging in your office:


That's a serious question.