(06-08-2015 12:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:43 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  I do want to point out, there are more D-I caliber athletes in Houston than there are anywhere around here.

True, very true, and the only schools we have to compete against in that pool are Houston, Texas, Texas A$M, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, LSU, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Texas State, Sam Houston State, SMU, Tulane, Arkansas, Kansas, OSU, KSU, Northwestern, the Ivies, the Academies, and the occasional BYU recruiter.

Well, now and then, some others.

But it IS a damn good thing we are in Houston, instead of say, Wyoming or Alaska.

There are more D-I caliber athletes that are Rice-caliber students in Houston than total number of D-I's anywhere around here. That was my point.

Better? Only a little. We all have our own challenges.

Rice churns out baseball players and a program that most of us could only dream of. Doesn't seem to be a hindrance for Rice, Vanderbilt, Virginia, etc, although I am not pretending baseball to be the same as football. Consider that a separate thought.

(06-09-2015 08:34 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:09 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 02:43 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:55 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:30 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Haters may hate, but we are human and since we were little wee tikes we've been taught to think in terms of which one of these is not like the other.

Don't sit and pretend like it doesn't have an impact (whether you believe its a positive or not) on the outcome of the athletics side of this. Again, fully recognize that Marshall is not doing something they shouldn't be. And certainly other schools could do this if they so chose, but not everyone is in a position to do so and therefore some schools are playing with a different set of standards if not rules. So, let's not pretend.

This is just my opinion, but I believe there should be a cap on this type of activity. Even five a year is a lot IMO.

We do cap it and we're hardly the only school that accepts. Why don't we just rule out taking NQ's, prep schoolers and Jucos. Be fine with me. They are all the same.

False.

Why is my statement false? Explain.

What about the guys that go to JUCO because they didn't have better offers out of high school? What about the guys that go to prep school because they want an extra year of seasoning? For example, Rice has a linebacker who played high school ball in Kansas and then went to the Hotchkiss School in CT for a post-graduate year. Hotchkiss is widely considered to be one of the top 5 prep schools in the nation. He is now at Rice, and is a mechanical engineering major. Obviously, this is an exception to the rule, but I guess my point is that ALL NQ's didn't qualify. Only some JUCOs and Preps did not. Once again, I am not in favor of any regulation on NQs.

Kids don't go Juco or Prep because they don't think they are good enough. They go because they don't have the grades to get into the school that recruited them. There are cases as you pointed out that break that rule of thought, but a VAST majority of those kids go due to grades. Sorry, but its all the same - 90% its about grades. Whether a kid chooses the NQ route -attends his school of choice for a year on his own dime and gets eligible; or goes to a juco or prep school and takes cement management to get eligible - I don't care.
People act like the NQ kids are learning disabled and that is incredibly far from the truth and not fair to them.

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

I think you are being overly sensitive here. It almost feels like you guys have a deep-rooted inferiority complex going. So just stop. Marshall has done nothing wrong. Taking the props and other NQs or below-average academic guys makes sense. It gives Marshall a huge competitive advantage. That's all.

Look almost every school takes the difficult academic cases. Notre Dame does it. UF and UMiami do. Even Stanford and Rice will go slightly below guidelines and make a specific exception. They have no choice to stay somewhat competitive. Most of the better/best football players are not guys with high academic achievements. Yeah, every once in a while you get a Myron Rolle out of FSU a few years ago that are Rhodes Scholars and going to medical school.

The point is this: Marshall is doing nothing wrong but has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. As a poster said earlier, we lost Cory Tindal to Marshall as an academic casualty. I wish FIU took the players that Marshall takes. We'd be better overnight. If this is insulting to you then I'm sorry but it is true that you guys take people that can't get into any other school whether as props or otherwise.

(06-09-2015 08:52 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:43 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  I do want to point out, there are more D-I caliber athletes in Houston than there are anywhere around here.

True, very true, and the only schools we have to compete against in that pool are Houston, Texas, Texas A$M, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, LSU, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Texas State, Sam Houston State, SMU, Tulane, Arkansas, Kansas, OSU, KSU, Northwestern, the Ivies, the Academies, and the occasional BYU recruiter.

Well, now and then, some others.

But it IS a damn good thing we are in Houston, instead of say, Wyoming or Alaska.

There are more D-I caliber athletes that are Rice-caliber students in Houston than total number of D-I's anywhere around here. That was my point.

Better? Only a little. We all have our own challenges.

Rice churns out baseball players and a program that most of us could only dream of. Doesn't seem to be a hindrance for Rice, Vanderbilt, Virginia, etc, although I am not pretending baseball to be the same as football. Consider that a separate thought.

You Herd fans are right. Living in Texas provides oneself an advantage in most areas of life.

(06-09-2015 09:37 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

I think you are being overly sensitive here. It almost feels like you guys have a deep-rooted inferiority complex going. So just stop. Marshall has done nothing wrong. Taking the props and other NQs or below-average academic guys makes sense. It gives Marshall a huge competitive advantage. That's all.

Look almost every school takes the difficult academic cases. Notre Dame does it. UF and UMiami do. Even Stanford and Rice will go slightly below guidelines and make a specific exception. They have no choice to stay somewhat competitive. Most of the better/best football players are not guys with high academic achievements. Yeah, every once in a while you get a Myron Rolle out of FSU a few years ago that are Rhodes Scholars and going to medical school.

The point is this: Marshall is doing nothing wrong but has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. As a poster said earlier, we lost Cory Tindal to Marshall as an academic casualty. I wish FIU took the players that Marshall takes. We'd be better overnight. If this is insulting to you then I'm sorry but it is true that you guys take people that can't get into any other school whether as props or otherwise.

I don't have an inferiority complex. I get tired of you guys acting like its a damn crime and the NCAA should give us the death penalty. Other schools take them and I would bet my 401K that FIU, Rice or any other D1 school has made exceptions for kids who are on the border. You recruit Jucos and Prep school kids, they had grade issues. They just chose to go another route to end up at your school instead of paying their own way right out of HS.

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

Over react much?

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(06-09-2015 09:37 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

I think you are being overly sensitive here. It almost feels like you guys have a deep-rooted inferiority complex going. So just stop. Marshall has done nothing wrong. Taking the props and other NQs or below-average academic guys makes sense. It gives Marshall a huge competitive advantage. That's all.

Look almost every school takes the difficult academic cases. Notre Dame does it. UF and UMiami do. Even Stanford and Rice will go slightly below guidelines and make a specific exception. They have no choice to stay somewhat competitive. Most of the better/best football players are not guys with high academic achievements. Yeah, every once in a while you get a Myron Rolle out of FSU a few years ago that are Rhodes Scholars and going to medical school.

The point is this: Marshall is doing nothing wrong but has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. As a poster said earlier, we lost Cory Tindal to Marshall as an academic casualty. I wish FIU took the players that Marshall takes. We'd be better overnight. If this is insulting to you then I'm sorry but it is true that you guys take people that can't get into any other school whether as props or otherwise.

Let's just put it this way. The NCAA standards are so incredibly low that a kid logically should not be expected to complete college level coursework while also maintaining the rigors of playing Division I athletics if they can't even achieve bottom barrel standards while in high school. Thats what JC's are for (and blue collar workforce). Do what you will with that.

With that said, you are basically arguing that it should be an institutional choice and not dictated by the conference. True? That's a fair argument and I can see both sides. I would likely still tend to fall on the side of conf equality (as much as is inherently possible) but I can also appreciate the individual institution side as well.

(06-09-2015 11:39 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 09:37 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

I think you are being overly sensitive here. It almost feels like you guys have a deep-rooted inferiority complex going. So just stop. Marshall has done nothing wrong. Taking the props and other NQs or below-average academic guys makes sense. It gives Marshall a huge competitive advantage. That's all.

Look almost every school takes the difficult academic cases. Notre Dame does it. UF and UMiami do. Even Stanford and Rice will go slightly below guidelines and make a specific exception. They have no choice to stay somewhat competitive. Most of the better/best football players are not guys with high academic achievements. Yeah, every once in a while you get a Myron Rolle out of FSU a few years ago that are Rhodes Scholars and going to medical school.

The point is this: Marshall is doing nothing wrong but has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. As a poster said earlier, we lost Cory Tindal to Marshall as an academic casualty. I wish FIU took the players that Marshall takes. We'd be better overnight. If this is insulting to you then I'm sorry but it is true that you guys take people that can't get into any other school whether as props or otherwise.

Let's just put it this way. The NCAA standards are so incredibly low that a kid logically should not be expected to complete college level coursework while also maintaining the rigors of playing Division I athletics if they can't even achieve bottom barrel standards while in high school. Thats what JC's are for (and blue collar workforce). Do what you will with that.

With that said, you are basically arguing that it should be an institutional choice and not dictated by the conference. True? That's a fair argument and I can see both sides. I would likely still tend to fall on the side of conf equality (as much as is inherently possible) but I can also appreciate the individual institution side as well.

I agree with that. That said, I thought the NCAA mandated an athlete had to greaduate from an accredited HS with a GPA of at least 2.5 to get a D1 scholly. Unless that rule has changed, these kids aren't stupid. They just didnt get the ACT or SAT scores needed to gain admission to the school of their choice.
Also, to those who argue that Jucos are there for the kids to hone their skills on the field? I don't know of many 2-3 star recruits who choose Juco or Prep school over D1 to "hone their athletic skills". We all know thats a farce.

You can find the qualification standards here: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_cent..._Sheet.pdf

(06-09-2015 09:37 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 08:11 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 09:01 PM)banker Wrote:  Last year Marshall had 10 players named to the first team all conference list. Exactly zero of those were non qualifiers. This year that will probably change because you have guys like Deontay McManus and Angelo Jean-Louis, both highly ranked 4-star receivers that had good freshman seasons, who were props.

Marshall generally takes props at only a few positions, those where we have depth and can take a shot on exceptional talent (WR, RB) or positions that are just very hard for G5s to recruit quality (DT, big DEs).

Personally, I don't understand why every G5, with the exception of schools like Rice, Tulane, etc. don't take advantage of the NQ system. The inherit disadvantages we all have in trying to recruit and compete are onerous. I also actually like the fact that it gives young men the opportunity to come in, work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. In many cases these kids come from a tough background where they were academically ignored due to their athletic abilities. They aren't dumb kids, just kids who weren't challenged and therefore are unprepared for life to a large extent. We bring them in, teach them how to study and apply themselves academically. If they respond, then they can get eligible and play football. If they don't then at least they got a different experience in their life and find out life can be different than what they may have thought it could be.

When I see young men like Vinny Curry, who not only realized his NFL dream, but also is just a quality individual, I have a hard time knocking the fact that we give these kids a chance for something other than the JUCO route. To me it is a superior route to prop. At JUCO you are still spending a lot of time on football. When you come in to Marshall as a NQ football is taken off the table and it's all about academics. It's a full year of learning what it takes to be a successful college student and we have a very good success rate. Our props actually have a higher graduation rate than our fully qualified recruits, although both groups do quite well.

You are making way too much sense, stop it! **** it, if the league doesn't want us, kick us out. Hell, you'd think we had committed a crime. Holier than thou ****.

I think you are being overly sensitive here. It almost feels like you guys have a deep-rooted inferiority complex going. So just stop. Marshall has done nothing wrong. Taking the props and other NQs or below-average academic guys makes sense. It gives Marshall a huge competitive advantage. That's all.

Look almost every school takes the difficult academic cases. Notre Dame does it. UF and UMiami do. Even Stanford and Rice will go slightly below guidelines and make a specific exception. They have no choice to stay somewhat competitive. Most of the better/best football players are not guys with high academic achievements. Yeah, every once in a while you get a Myron Rolle out of FSU a few years ago that are Rhodes Scholars and going to medical school.

The point is this: Marshall is doing nothing wrong but has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. As a poster said earlier, we lost Cory Tindal to Marshall as an academic casualty. I wish FIU took the players that Marshall takes. We'd be better overnight. If this is insulting to you then I'm sorry but it is true that you guys take people that can't get into any other school whether as props or otherwise.

That is laughable. Plenty of schools taking NQs besides Marshall. As props. Even the SEC allows two per yr. I would say several SB and MAC and maybe even someone in our league. It was posted on here that either WKU or MT was taking them not too long ago.

Just read another pertinent article from a Maryland site that states that the Big has no rules against admitting any type of NQ. He would however have to meet UM standards....oh please! Makes me wonder about UNC going on recent news.

You guys are wrong about Corey Tindal. You keep bringing up his name, but he did not come to our school as a NQ.

You are correct, he did not qualify at FIU right out of high school, but he then took a PREP season at Atlanta Sports Academy. THEN he signed with Marshall, and RS his freshmen year.

Corey Tindal was signed as a prep school recruit......nice try though.


http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/...57561.html

(06-09-2015 01:09 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  You guys are wrong about Corey Tindal. You keep bringing up his name, but he did not come to our school as a NQ.

You are correct, he did not qualify at FIU right out of high school, but he then took a PREP season at Atlanta Sports Academy. THEN he signed with Marshall, and RS his freshmen year.

Corey Tindal was signed as a prep school recruit......nice try though.


http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/...57561.html

Reading comprehension is skill that can be developed. It requires concentration, an ability to read, analytical ability, and a desire to understand what the writer is saying.

With this said, you may want to go back and read what I wrote (and the other poster). We never said he was an NQ. Simply put he signed with FIU and did not meet FIU's minimum standards. Later, he went to Marshall. Presumably because Marshall has the lowest academic standards in the nation. For the reading challenged: this last sentence IS a jab. Feel free to go crazy and insult FIU like you have done a thousand times. Some of you Marshall fans are just wacky SOBs.

Regarding props, it drives me nuts when I continually read that Marshall gets a "competitive advantage" by taking them. That is completely the wrong perception and is why so many Herd fans take exception when other fans use this type of terminology.

That phrasing and point of view implies that we are doing something wrong, illegal and/or something we should not be doing, which is not the case, and many of you freely admit that.

If anything, it's not an issue of a competitive advantage, but a competitive disadvantage that some schools place upon themselves (which they have every right to do so, if they see fit).

To me, this would be like Marshall basketball deciding to never shoot threes and then I cry about other schools getting a competitive advantage because they shoot three pointers. It's not their fault that my school chooses not to shoot them.

(06-09-2015 01:27 PM)MUHerd00 Wrote:  That phrasing and point of view implies that we are doing something wrong, illegal and/or something we should not be doing, which is not the case, and many of you freely admit that.

I don't think you are doing anything wrong, but I also don't think getting a competitive advantage implies doing anything wrong. Maybe Rice has a competitive advantage by being in Houston, or in Texas. We have been told that before. Maybe Marshall has a competitive advantage by having a large and enthusiastic fan base. We sure have all heard that, often from MU fans themselves.

Having a competitive advantage is fine as long as it is within the rules, and this situation is within the rules.

So, AFAIAC, no problem.

A competitive advantage does not imply wrong doing. You guys are starting to make wkcc fans look smart. Ha. Marshall education. ;-)

(06-09-2015 01:27 PM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:09 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  You guys are wrong about Corey Tindal. You keep bringing up his name, but he did not come to our school as a NQ.

You are correct, he did not qualify at FIU right out of high school, but he then took a PREP season at Atlanta Sports Academy. THEN he signed with Marshall, and RS his freshmen year.

Corey Tindal was signed as a prep school recruit......nice try though.


http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/...57561.html

Reading comprehension is skill that can be developed. It requires concentration, an ability to read, analytical ability, and a desire to understand what the writer is saying.

With this said, you may want to go back and read what I wrote (and the other poster). We never said he was an NQ. Simply put he signed with FIU and did not meet FIU's minimum standards. Later, he went to Marshall. Presumably because Marshall has the lowest academic standards in the nation. For the reading challenged: this last sentence IS a jab. Feel free to go crazy and insult FIU like you have done a thousand times. Some of you Marshall fans are just wacky SOBs.

Simple logic here: if he wanted to go to FIU, he would have gone back to FIU after his Prep School year.

He chose Marshall. It's worked out well for him as he has played a ton in his time here.

Sometimes, timing is everything. Doesn't mean he would have been any less effective or had any less of a career at FIU. However, while you make guesses to explain the situation, it's best to stick to known facts. He signed at FIU, he was not permitted to enroll at FIU, he went to Prep School, he became eligible to go where he chose, and he chose Marshall.

To add any more is conjecture.

That's not to say the next guy won't go to FIU and have a fine career.

Just don't tip into the UCF range of "how do they beat us at basketball? Hire their coach!" Which really hasn't worked out for either of us :/ (although I have no reason to say a bad thing about Dan D'Antoni...he inherited a MESS...including some thieves and liars who are being exposed one by one).

(06-09-2015 03:00 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:27 PM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:09 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  You guys are wrong about Corey Tindal. You keep bringing up his name, but he did not come to our school as a NQ.

You are correct, he did not qualify at FIU right out of high school, but he then took a PREP season at Atlanta Sports Academy. THEN he signed with Marshall, and RS his freshmen year.

Corey Tindal was signed as a prep school recruit......nice try though.


http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/...57561.html

Reading comprehension is skill that can be developed. It requires concentration, an ability to read, analytical ability, and a desire to understand what the writer is saying.

With this said, you may want to go back and read what I wrote (and the other poster). We never said he was an NQ. Simply put he signed with FIU and did not meet FIU's minimum standards. Later, he went to Marshall. Presumably because Marshall has the lowest academic standards in the nation. For the reading challenged: this last sentence IS a jab. Feel free to go crazy and insult FIU like you have done a thousand times. Some of you Marshall fans are just wacky SOBs.

Simple logic here: if he wanted to go to FIU, he would have gone back to FIU after his Prep School year.

He chose Marshall. It's worked out well for him as he has played a ton in his time here.

Sometimes, timing is everything. Doesn't mean he would have been any less effective or had any less of a career at FIU. However, while you make guesses to explain the situation, it's best to stick to known facts. He signed at FIU, he was not permitted to enroll at FIU, he went to Prep School, he became eligible to go where he chose, and he chose Marshall.

To add any more is conjecture.

That's not to say the next guy won't go to FIU and have a fine career.

Just don't tip into the UCF range of "how do they beat us at basketball? Hire their coach!" Which really hasn't worked out for either of us :/ (although I have no reason to say a bad thing about Dan D'Antoni...he inherited a MESS...including some thieves and liars who are being exposed one by one).

What? Simple logic: I never said anything that would lead a reasonable person to respond the way you have.

I never said he chose FIU after prep school! But then again, how did you make this leap of logic. What makes you think that he was re-recruited by FIU. Is that not an assumption on your part?

I said the following and will say it again. He signed with FIU and did not meet our minimum academic standards. He met Marshall's academic criteria. Period. He ended up at Marshall where he will do well academically. That's all. My point and that of the Rice and MT writers is that Marshall has a competitive advantage over the rest of us. What is so dang hard to understand??????????????????????????????????????

read since this thread started that Toledo, Akron and U Mass take props or did recently. Toledo #35 pre season at Phil Steele. Its not just the Herd. I love this advantage and preach against the AAC for this reason.

I never read where anyone thought taking props was a crime. And it IS an advantage. Enough said... Can we dispense with the BS now?