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(06-24-2015 06:03 PM)goofus Wrote:  Big 12 e,pansion candidates rankings

1. BYU
2. Cincy
3. UCF
4. USF
5. col st
6. Memphis
7. New Mexico
8. Tulane
9. Uconn
10. Boise
11. SDSU
12. Hawaii
13. Houston
14. SMU
15. ECU
16. NIU
17. Air Force
18. Navy

I suspect that from a TV partners valuation UConn would be higher up the list.
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(06-24-2015 05:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:20 PM)Ghis Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 04:35 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You can probably cross Houston off that list too.

Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote yes for them.


Wrong. Only guaranteed "no" vote is Baylor. The other three are in play. SEC incursion into Texas has definitely helped UH cause.

I know you Cougs desperately want to believe that but the truth is the other 3 have just as much to lose.

As long as UT is in the Big 12, they will get paid for the Houston market no matter how many conferences are also in it.

But adding UH will hurt all their recruiting.

Tech just saw their DFW recruiting decimated by adding TCU. Do you think the others are willing to play that game with their Houston area recruits?

Like it or not, none of them will vote yes for more competition

On the plus side, I still think you have a shot at the PAC one day though


And we're quite aware that you sheep herders in collie land are ignorant of all things that don't come with at least four legs. However, perceived animosities towards UH from former SWC conference mates will not have as great an impact upon the dynamics as some of you would like to believe. The politics this time around is far different than 1992. Whether you recognize that fact is quite irrelevant to us. Just don't be surprised later on when we tell you "we told you so."
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Add Cincy and UConn.
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(06-24-2015 06:32 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Tech just saw their DFW recruiting decimated by adding TCU. Do you think the others are willing to play that game with their Houston area recruits?

Not true.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...16/all/all

6 of our 19 recruits are from the DFW area
TCU has 2 out of their 14 recruits from the DFW area.

He was just assuming, he knew it wasn't a fact. You know what they say about "assuming".

Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

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(06-24-2015 06:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
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(06-24-2015 05:11 PM)Dasville Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-expansion


From the link:


Quote:“Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don’t bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten,” Bowlsby said. “The philosophy clearly is: ‘As members of the Big Ten we can grow them?’”


If the end goal is the Big 12 contract renewal in 10 years, then the Big 12 should give the expansion teams every possible chance to succeed. Time is of the essence.

I don't agree with the BYU "within the next three years" timeframe. To give the expansion teams every opportunity to deliver, it almost has to be next year.

Why are we citing 2013 articles?

Because they are relevant. Oklahoma wants the Big 12 to be proactive today as much as they did back in 2012-2013. That's why they didn't move to the PAC.

OU didn't move to the Pac because the Pac-12 presidents were opposed to a deal that didn't include UT.

https://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1267981
Quote:Multiple sources confirm to Orangebloods.com that the Pac-12 notified key members of the Big 12 early Tuesday that it would not expand, causing the nine remaining members of the Big 12 to begin working feverishly to iron out differences.

No one expects Texas A&M to remain in the Big 12. A&M officials declared again Tuesday they plan leaving the Big 12 after this season (for the Southeastern Conference).

One of the first steps the nine-member Big 12 took was to notify Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe the league members want a change in leadership, sources said.

Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton led the charge on Tuesday after the Pac-12 notified Oklahoma that its members would not accept OU and Oklahoma State without Texas, sources said.

The Longhorns, who had been hoping the Big 12 could stay alive from the beginning, got the news early Tuesday from Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott that he didn't have the votes to expand.

Sources told Orangebloods.com at least six Pac-12 presidents opposed further expansion, and Larry Scott needed nine of 12 votes to approve any new additions.
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(06-24-2015 06:40 PM)Ghis Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:20 PM)Ghis Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 04:35 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  You can probably cross Houston off that list too.

Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote yes for them.


Wrong. Only guaranteed "no" vote is Baylor. The other three are in play. SEC incursion into Texas has definitely helped UH cause.

I know you Cougs desperately want to believe that but the truth is the other 3 have just as much to lose.

As long as UT is in the Big 12, they will get paid for the Houston market no matter how many conferences are also in it.

But adding UH will hurt all their recruiting.

Tech just saw their DFW recruiting decimated by adding TCU. Do you think the others are willing to play that game with their Houston area recruits?

Like it or not, none of them will vote yes for more competition

On the plus side, I still think you have a shot at the PAC one day though


And we're quite aware that you sheep herders in collie land are ignorant of all things that don't come with at least four legs. However, perceived animosities towards UH from former SWC conference mates will not have as great an impact upon the dynamics as some of you would like to believe. The politics this time around is far different than 1992. Whether you recognize that fact is quite irrelevant to us. Just don't be surprised later on when we tell you "we told you so."

So many people just "KNOW" they are getting an invite from that upgrade conference of their choice!

I'll just tell you what I tell them:

go wait by the mailbox and report back to us the minute he shows up with the contract for you to sign!
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(06-24-2015 06:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:11 PM)Dasville Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-expansion


From the link:


Quote:“Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don’t bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten,” Bowlsby said. “The philosophy clearly is: ‘As members of the Big Ten we can grow them?’”


If the end goal is the Big 12 contract renewal in 10 years, then the Big 12 should give the expansion teams every possible chance to succeed. Time is of the essence.

I don't agree with the BYU "within the next three years" timeframe. To give the expansion teams every opportunity to deliver, it almost has to be next year.

Why are we citing 2013 articles?

Because they are relevant. Oklahoma wants the Big 12 to be proactive today as much as they did back in 2012-2013. That's why they didn't move to the PAC.
I've got to think that the recent Big 12 meetings there was some discussion about stopping this ridiculous 10 team setup that is obviously not working. Hopefully someone stood up and say guys it's about time we got with the program here. We need to add 2 teams and go back to playing a CCG like everyone else. 1 true champion(s) and a 10 team conference playing a 9 game RR schedule simply doesn't work. We also need to figure out a long term plan for the conference that includes a network. If we don't' do those things we are setting ourselves up for failure.

Seem like the new WVU AD said some similar things recently as well.

Now we wait to see the response to Borens' comments from UT brass.
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Obviously Boren took a massive dump on UT and the LHN but why?

IMHO, he is stirring the pot to lessen the blow when the Texoma 4 leave. He can say he did all he could to save the Big 12. I guess Boren isn't a wallflower after all.
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You wont see UT brass make much of a response. The threat wasn't actually delivered at UT. It was delivered to those that would be in trouble finding a new home of equal value when the GoR runs out. This is Boren saying that when the GoR runs out, Oklahoma is gone. That isn't a big deal to Texas. The RRR will live on regardless and Texas will have no problem finding their own home.
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RE: Oklahoma/ big 12 expansion
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:32 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Tech just saw their DFW recruiting decimated by adding TCU. Do you think the others are willing to play that game with their Houston area recruits?

Not true.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...16/all/all

6 of our 19 recruits are from the DFW area
TCU has 2 out of their 14 recruits from the DFW area.

He was just assuming, he knew it wasn't a fact. You know what they say about "assuming".

Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.
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(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:32 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 05:50 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Tech just saw their DFW recruiting decimated by adding TCU. Do you think the others are willing to play that game with their Houston area recruits?

Not true.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...16/all/all

6 of our 19 recruits are from the DFW area
TCU has 2 out of their 14 recruits from the DFW area.

He was just assuming, he knew it wasn't a fact. You know what they say about "assuming".

Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.
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(06-24-2015 06:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You wont see UT brass make much of a response. The threat wasn't actually delivered at UT. It was delivered to those that would be in trouble finding a new home of equal value when the GoR runs out. This is Boren saying that when the GoR runs out, Oklahoma is gone. That isn't a big deal to Texas. The RRR will live on regardless and Texas will have no problem finding their own home.

The Texoma 4 will have NO problem finding a P5 home. I do agree UT won't say anything right now. They let OU do the dirty work and they come out smelling like a rose when UT and Tech bolt.

The Texas legislature won't do a darn thing about it either.
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(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You wont see UT brass make much of a response. The threat wasn't actually delivered at UT. It was delivered to those that would be in trouble finding a new home of equal value when the GoR runs out. This is Boren saying that when the GoR runs out, Oklahoma is gone. That isn't a big deal to Texas. The RRR will live on regardless and Texas will have no problem finding their own home.

The Texoma 4 will have NO problem finding a P5 home. I do agree UT won't say anything right now. They let OU do the dirty work and they come out smelling like a rose when UT and Tech bolt.

The Texas legislature won't do a darn thing about it either.

I agree with you, everyone will have a home but as you can see in the above post, I disagree with you about those four particular schools all ending up in the SEC. That is a pipe dream.
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RE: Oklahoma/ big 12 expansion
(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:32 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:26 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  Not true.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/re...16/all/all

6 of our 19 recruits are from the DFW area
TCU has 2 out of their 14 recruits from the DFW area.

He was just assuming, he knew it wasn't a fact. You know what they say about "assuming".

Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.

If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.
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RE: Oklahoma/ big 12 expansion
(06-24-2015 06:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You wont see UT brass make much of a response. The threat wasn't actually delivered at UT. It was delivered to those that would be in trouble finding a new home of equal value when the GoR runs out. This is Boren saying that when the GoR runs out, Oklahoma is gone. That isn't a big deal to Texas. The RRR will live on regardless and Texas will have no problem finding their own home.

The Texoma 4 will have NO problem finding a P5 home. I do agree UT won't say anything right now. They let OU do the dirty work and they come out smelling like a rose when UT and Tech bolt.

The Texas legislature won't do a darn thing about it either.

I agree with you, everyone will have a home but as you can see in the above post, I disagree with you about those four particular schools all ending up in the SEC. That is a pipe dream.

We will agree to disagree. CBS/ESPN could get the Texoma 4 and completely and permanently lock down Texas as SEC country.

26-27m viewers is hard to ignore especially when you have the 3 largest Universities in Texas.

Who knows what will happen but it is fun to talk about.
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(06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
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(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:32 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  He was just assuming, he knew it wasn't a fact. You know what they say about "assuming".

Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.

If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.

Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.

Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.

In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.
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(06-24-2015 04:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
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(06-24-2015 02:54 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  http://newsok.com/boren-big-12-should-st...le/5429694

NORMAN—University of Oklahoma President David Boren on Wednesday reiterated his stance that the Big 12 should expand to 12 teams.

“I think it’s something we should strive for while we have the time, stability, all of that to look and be choosy,” Boren said. “(We) can be very selective about who we want to add. It would have to add value to the conference. I think we should.”

Boren said he worried about not only the perception of the league as other major conferences have expanded but there long-term health of such a setup.

“How many years can this go on?” Boren said. “Finally, it just gets to be really debilitating. I worry about that. That’s something I just worry about long-term about the conference, not short term.”

Boren spoke after the school’s board of regents approved $105 million in funding for the renovation of the south end zone of Gaylord Family-Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

Boren also said without explicitly naming it that the Longhorn Network—which keeps the Big 12 from having a conference network like the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12—is a big problem for the conference.

“The elephant in the room remains the network south of us that has struggled and has in a way as long as it’s there,” Boren said. “And we have done quite well with our network and if anything ever changed, it has value to it which we see. But someday, maybe we’ll get past that other problem as well. It’s a problem.”

Boren said the problem of reduced revenue per school with expansion wasn’t as big of a hurdle as it had been made out to be.

[i]“The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren said. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars.

“Our main media contract says it’s not the same pie now cut 12 ways instead of 10.”

Boren did say that that only includes the primary television contract, not other revenue that is split between the schools.

“It’s not total because there’s some smaller—much smaller—amounts of money around the edges but if you can find the right people, it should be additive even though it’s split 12 ways instead of 10.”[/i]

Wow. That's something that's long been rumored on the internet, but I doubted it was true. It changes the complexion of expansion for the Big 12.

Common sense says that can't be everything it's hyped to be. There's no way in hell that ESPN and Fox would fork over an extra $40 million/year for any two schools from the G5. At a minimum, it would be limited to a short list of schools approved as "best available" by the TV guys (and wouldn't we all like to see the email chain that discusses that list), which might include schools that are no longer available, like Louisville, and/or schools that the Big 12 might not want for other reasons, like BYU or Boise State.

Common sense also says that if the existing Big 12 schools could each make a ton of money by adding two more schools, then either it would have happened already or there's an extremely good reason why it hasn't happened already.

I have said the same so many times. People want to believe what they want to believe despite the fact that if it was so cut and dry, the big 12 would already be at 12 and they would have had a championship game this past season.

Nonsense, the didn't do it because there wasn't a want or need to do it. We're also talking about the same conference that passed on Louisville. There was no urgency and what's the problem with it if they had the same access to the playoff as everyone else? Idk what's so hard to understand, the B12 wants a cultural fit and two candidates they've vetted, no one was sexy enough back then, maybe not even now. At least now they have incentive and reason to expand.
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(06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.

If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.

Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.

Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.

In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.

But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.

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(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Does this apply to Red Raiders assumption that Tech will be able to cling to UT's leg tightly enough to get into the SEC one day?

He only brings it up in every other post he makes.

03-rotfl

The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.

If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.

Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.

Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.

In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.

I wrote my reasons in post 75. Texas has 26-27m people and a good portion of them love football. The SEC could lock down the entire state of Texas taking UT and Tech. A&M alone isn't enough. Sure the initial interest was great but the SEC will need more.

IMHO, Fox has no say because of horrible TV ratings.
06-24-2015 07:21 PM
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RE: Oklahoma/ big 12 expansion
(06-24-2015 07:19 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 07:01 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:55 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(06-24-2015 06:49 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  The Texoma 4 will be in the SEC and A&M tears will be joyful.

A&M isn't strong enough to keep UT and Tech out.

That doesn't happen. It's literally impossible. In order for anything to happen anytime soon, the conference has to be dissolved through a vote. If Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State all decide to join the SEC....do you really think other conferences agree to that? If the other six schools have no landing spot, do they give their votes for dissolution?

It's impossible. I am sorry to piss on your dream but you have to pay attention to the logistics of all this.

If UT, Tech, OU and OSU want to leave, they will have the blessing of TV partners. That said, I think 3-4 other schools find a spot basically dissolving the Big 12. IIRC, it only takes 8 votes to dissolve.

Ok, you cant just say it will happen and that's enough. Come up with a logistically possible scenario and explain why all the moving parts are greased up enough for it to happen. That is what I have done with my scenario and every bit of news or statement that comes out further greases the wheels in such a direction.

Why would Fox bless that move? They have a major stake in it. The Dissolution vote also indirectly causes the GoR to be void. That doesn't mean that those individual schools are off the hook with Fox individually nor does it mean that individual schools are not off the hook to other schools of the big 12 should they take major hits in future earnings due to ending up in lesser conferences.

In regard to getting 8 votes. Yes, that is enough but there would be major PR damage to face if eight schools basically vote to leave two other schools high and dry. The monetary damages alone are enough to balk at. The preferred scenario is to have all 10 votes which means all ten schools have a landing spot assured within one of the remaining major conferences.

But isn't that what essentially happened to the Big East in a very short time span? SU, Pitt, WVU, ND, Rutgers, Louisville, Georgetown, St. John's, Nova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, and DePaul all basically left UConn, Cincinnati, and USF to fend on their own and make do.

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Neil

I am not saying that it's not possible Omni, I am just saying that the preferable method would be to have homes for everyone. The Big East didn't have a GoR contract binding everyone to monetary amounts for years to come. That is the situation in the big 12.

While the situation may seem similar on the surface, it is more like comparing apples to oranges.

We are talking about a situation happening all at once or happening over a period of many years.
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