(06-26-2015 01:32 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 11:13 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:16 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 09:38 AM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-25-2015 07:19 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  I'm one of very few Rice fans that like CUSA. I see at as not just a good geographic fit, but also the best place we can be to develop some meaningful rivalries. CUSA also has a lot of room to grow. It'll get stronger as time goes on.

Rice is on an academic island in CUSA, with no true rivals, and the conference is not a long term option for the university. The administration gets it and has stated this repeatedly.

Vanderbilt, Baylor, Stanford are all on an "Academic Island" you are gonna have to learn to get used to it. Enjoy the success CUSA has afforded you in Football and baseball.

That's a good point. Rice is CUSA's "academic island" just like Vandy, Baylor, Stanford and Northwestern are for their P5 conferences. The Owls should wear that title with pride.

No, those schools actually have peers in their conference.

Vanderbilt: Missouri, Florida, and Texas A&M (all AAU)
Baylor, which shouldn't even be on this list: Texas, Kansas, and Iowa St (all AAU)
Stanford: Washington, Cal, USC, and UCLA (all AAU)
Norhwestern: all of the Big10 except Nebraska are AAU affiliated

CUSA use to have Tulane (AAU). Rice's identity is not tied solely to athletics and AAC or MWC are a step up.

Is Baylor AAU?

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  A&M is Vandy's peer? LOL.

AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  A&M is Vandy's peer? LOL.

AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

(06-26-2015 04:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 11:52 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 11:13 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:16 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 09:38 AM)WIowl Wrote:  Rice is on an academic island in CUSA, with no true rivals, and the conference is not a long term option for the university. The administration gets it and has stated this repeatedly.

Vanderbilt, Baylor, Stanford are all on an "Academic Island" you are gonna have to learn to get used to it. Enjoy the success CUSA has afforded you in Football and baseball.

That's a good point. Rice is CUSA's "academic island" just like Vandy, Baylor, Stanford and Northwestern are for their P5 conferences. The Owls should wear that title with pride.

Baylor actually has a higher admission rate (57.5%) than Texas does (40%). Even UTSA's admission rate is 60%. And yeah, I get that admission rates don't tell the whole story, but I'm just making the point that in no way, shape, or form is Baylor on any island in the Big 12.

By contrast, Stanford has an admission rate of 5.7%. So in a sense, you could say they're on an island in the Pac-12 even though Cal is at 17.7%, USC is at 17.8%, and UCLA is at 20.4%. Baylor is a private institution, is expensive, and has a great medical school, but they're just not worthy of being put on that list you have going there.

Wow. You've got too much time on your hands. That's a lot more info on this worthless subject than I care to indulge in. As someone said earlier, hey, it was just a figure of speech.

LOL, and yet you've left how many comments on this thread? The info I shared on my first and only comment before this one took me less than 5 minutes to find. I'm sorry if it would take you longer, but let's not try and just brush it off as a "figure of speech" after you've been corrected on something. I try to have my facts straight before I leave comments, and you'd be wise to do the same.

(06-26-2015 02:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:19 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:02 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I hate to break you heart but AAC and MWC aren't calling you anytime soon. Just sit back enjoy the ride because we are glad to have you. Stop being a Rice snob.

So, a university is not criticized for wanting to associate with the best athletic sports teams, but is criticized when a university wants to associate with the best academically?

It is not snobbery. It is priorities.

No its snobbery. You actually think you are too good to be in this conference and have no problem posting that on THE CUSA board about it. I think the world of Rice as a school and love having them on our schedule, but some of you owls gotta wake up and realize this ain't 1985 and you aren't in the SWC anymore. We all want to better ourselves both academically and athletically. CUSA has helped you do the latter.

No, the initial post was Rice does not have any comparable peers in CUSA, we have more in common in schools, athletically and academically, in MWC and AAC than CUSA. We are trying to get to one; but you're right, unless there's a spot, we're not moving.

No one is arguing that. The fact is that most Conferences have that super smart school and you are ours. Vanderbilt has been doing it for years. AAU does matter to college presidents but there are only three in all of the G5 conferences "Tulane, Buffalo,and Rice. MWC where you want to go has NONE count them for me...NONE. You are in a great place just enjoy it.

WOW! The simple little LA Tech grad is putting an academic whoopin on the alleged super smart Rice snob. Hmm...funny how someone with a supposed far superior education can be made to look so silly. Where's that AAU tag when you need it.

(06-26-2015 04:44 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:17 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 11:52 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 11:13 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:16 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Vanderbilt, Baylor, Stanford are all on an "Academic Island" you are gonna have to learn to get used to it. Enjoy the success CUSA has afforded you in Football and baseball.

That's a good point. Rice is CUSA's "academic island" just like Vandy, Baylor, Stanford and Northwestern are for their P5 conferences. The Owls should wear that title with pride.

Baylor actually has a higher admission rate (57.5%) than Texas does (40%). Even UTSA's admission rate is 60%. And yeah, I get that admission rates don't tell the whole story, but I'm just making the point that in no way, shape, or form is Baylor on any island in the Big 12.

By contrast, Stanford has an admission rate of 5.7%. So in a sense, you could say they're on an island in the Pac-12 even though Cal is at 17.7%, USC is at 17.8%, and UCLA is at 20.4%. Baylor is a private institution, is expensive, and has a great medical school, but they're just not worthy of being put on that list you have going there.

Wow. You've got too much time on your hands. That's a lot more info on this worthless subject than I care to indulge in. As someone said earlier, hey, it was just a figure of speech.

LOL, and yet you've left how many comments on this thread? The info I shared on my first and only comment before this one took me less than 5 minutes to find. I'm sorry if it would take you longer, but let's not try and just brush it off as a "figure of speech" after you've been corrected on something. I try to have my facts straight before I leave comments, and you'd be wise to do the same.

Corrected about what?

(06-26-2015 04:50 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:19 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:15 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  So, a university is not criticized for wanting to associate with the best athletic sports teams, but is criticized when a university wants to associate with the best academically?

It is not snobbery. It is priorities.

No its snobbery. You actually think you are too good to be in this conference and have no problem posting that on THE CUSA board about it. I think the world of Rice as a school and love having them on our schedule, but some of you owls gotta wake up and realize this ain't 1985 and you aren't in the SWC anymore. We all want to better ourselves both academically and athletically. CUSA has helped you do the latter.

No, the initial post was Rice does not have any comparable peers in CUSA, we have more in common in schools, athletically and academically, in MWC and AAC than CUSA. We are trying to get to one; but you're right, unless there's a spot, we're not moving.

No one is arguing that. The fact is that most Conferences have that super smart school and you are ours. Vanderbilt has been doing it for years. AAU does matter to college presidents but there are only three in all of the G5 conferences "Tulane, Buffalo,and Rice. MWC where you want to go has NONE count them for me...NONE. You are in a great place just enjoy it.

WOW! The simple little LA Tech grad is putting an academic whoopin on the alleged super smart Rice snob. Hmm...funny how someone with a supposed far superior education can be made to look so silly. Where's that AAU tag when you need it.

Please go read what AAU affiliation stands for and the benefits associated with it . And yes, every college has success stories and every university has crappy graduates. Congratulations. Notice the poster that is resorting to child-like writing and hyperbole?

Schools like to associate with peer institutions otherwise LaTech would be fine associating with the other UL-system schools. For the billionth time, it's not snobbery, its trying to get with like-minded universities. Similar to LaTech wanting to associate with Southern Miss than ULM.

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  A&M is Vandy's peer? LOL.

AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

In perusing the thread here...

JMO,

ODU, if ODU was gonna go FBS at some point their pool of suitors would have been the MAC, SBC, or CUSA. So, in that regard, CUSA had the better tv deal, bowl deal, and arguably the better chance for multiple NCAA bids for everything. Also, being a "full member" versus a "partial member" gets them a better angle on everything involving the conference. Therefore, I can't see ODU making out better for itself anywhere but CUSA. I can respect the connections to the CAA for all those other sports BUT, if you are moving forward, what was the CAA doing for you?

On La Tech,

Honestly, considering CUSA 2.0, I still can't figure out how it took them that long to get here/CUSA. I felt like the had all kinds of ties and assets to make them good fit for CUSA for a long time.

(06-26-2015 05:37 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  A&M is Vandy's peer? LOL.

AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

A G5 is a G5. That being the case, there's no better place for Rice than CUSA. It really is the best place for us to develop some rivalries, while not having to fly our student-athletes all over the mountain west and west coast. And as long as UH is in the AAC, we won't. Make the most of it for God's sake and give it a chance. Quit dumping on the conference. We were ranked ahead of the AAC and barely behind the MWC last year.

(06-26-2015 09:15 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  In perusing the thread here...

JMO,

ODU, if ODU was gonna go FBS at some point their pool of suitors would have been the MAC, SBC, or CUSA. So, in that regard, CUSA had the better tv deal, bowl deal, and arguably the better chance for multiple NCAA bids for everything. Also, being a "full member" versus a "partial member" gets them a better angle on everything involving the conference. Therefore, I can't see ODU making out better for itself anywhere but CUSA. I can respect the connections to the CAA for all those other sports BUT, if you are moving forward, what was the CAA doing for you?

On La Tech,

Honestly, considering CUSA 2.0, I still can't figure out how it took them that long to get here/CUSA. I felt like the had all kinds of ties and assets to make them good fit for CUSA for a long time.

Timing has been on the side of ODU football the entire way. From deciding to re-start our program not a moment too soon in 2005, to the departures of VCU and GMU from the CAA, to whatever added push our cause received from Terry Holland when we were looking to join CUSA. Of course, our admin and coaches seem to have played all the cards they were dealt very well too. I agree that no other g5 home would have made as much sense for us.

(06-26-2015 10:30 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 05:37 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

A G5 is a G5. That being the case, there's no better place for Rice than CUSA. It really is the best place for us to develop some rivalries, while not having to fly our student-athletes all over the mountain west and west coast. And as long as UH is in the AAC, we won't. Make the most of it for God's sake and give it a chance. Quit dumping on the conference. We were ranked ahead of the AAC and barely behind the MWC last year.

No one is suggesting that we should have stayed in the CAA in its current form. That would be completely unacceptable. Yes, given the circumstances at that moment in time, CUSA was the correct decision. If football never came about the current A10 would essentially be the only reasonable alternative. I believe some of the angst stems from a current lack of true regional rivals. It's a big difference when you're playing schools that have overlapping applicant pools because people will likely have connections to them. However, in the new age of nonstop realignment (and I don't think we're even close to stability in the FBS world), I guess it feels like more of an end of an era. In short, I would NOT want to be where JMU is.

When ODU was considering a move to CUSA, the ODU admin wanted JMU and Delaware to come as a package. Clearly, that didn't work out (each apparently declined). I like the eastern teams in CUSA, but it certainly will take time to become fully accustomed to our new conference members.

(06-27-2015 05:54 AM)monarchman Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:30 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 05:37 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

A G5 is a G5. That being the case, there's no better place for Rice than CUSA. It really is the best place for us to develop some rivalries, while not having to fly our student-athletes all over the mountain west and west coast. And as long as UH is in the AAC, we won't. Make the most of it for God's sake and give it a chance. Quit dumping on the conference. We were ranked ahead of the AAC and barely behind the MWC last year.

No one is suggesting that we should have stayed in the CAA in its current form. That would be completely unacceptable. Yes, given the circumstances at that moment in time, CUSA was the correct decision. If football never came about the current A10 would essentially be the only reasonable alternative. I believe some of the angst stems from a current lack of true regional rivals. It's a big difference when you're playing schools that have overlapping applicant pools because people will likely have connections to them. However, in the new age of nonstop realignment (and I don't think we're even close to stability in the FBS world), I guess it feels like more of an end of an era. In short, I would NOT want to be where JMU is.

When ODU was considering a move to CUSA, the ODU admin wanted JMU and Delaware to come as a package. Clearly, that didn't work out (each apparently declined). I like the eastern teams in CUSA, but it certainly will take time to become fully accustomed to our new conference members.

To summarize, you want to play in a new league / level but only with your friends from the old level because you are all in a tight compact region. But complain about not being included on a broadcast channel outside of the region.

(06-27-2015 05:54 AM)monarchman Wrote:  When ODU was considering a move to CUSA, the ODU admin wanted JMU and Delaware to come as a package. Clearly, that didn't work out (each apparently declined). I like the eastern teams in CUSA, but it certainly will take time to become fully accustomed to our new conference members.

First I have ever heard of ODU trying to build up JMU and Delaware to move with them or asking CUSA to take them. On the Eastern side of things there is no way CUSA would not have a presence in Florida with USF and UCF both gone.

(06-26-2015 10:30 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 05:37 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 02:10 PM)WIowl Wrote:  AAU affiliation. It matters; look it up before you knock A&M.

That's the whole point. It really doesn't matter. There are tons of people who did NOT attend "AAU schools" --just like me-- who hold some of the best executive jobs for some of the best companies in the world (in my case, a Dow Industrial 30 company). This "AAU" talk is nothing more than routine ***** measuring that sports board snobs --many whom are unemployed anyway-- use to make themselves feel better about their lack of professional success, and build up their self esteem. Sad really.

Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

A G5 is a G5. That being the case, there's no better place for Rice than CUSA. It really is the best place for us to develop some rivalries, while not having to fly our student-athletes all over the mountain west and west coast. And as long as UH is in the AAC, we won't. Make the most of it for God's sake and give it a chance. Quit dumping on the conference. We were ranked ahead of the AAC and barely behind the MWC last year.

Their are always a few from every school who respond like a drunk tramp looking out of the mobile home door and complaining that everyone around them are trailer park trash. "We understand It's Life"

(06-27-2015 08:37 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 05:54 AM)monarchman Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 10:30 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 05:37 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(06-26-2015 04:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Sad, but true. It's a shame.

And others, like Afflicted, are delusional and trying to force feed "rivalries" that do not exist.

A G5 is a G5. That being the case, there's no better place for Rice than CUSA. It really is the best place for us to develop some rivalries, while not having to fly our student-athletes all over the mountain west and west coast. And as long as UH is in the AAC, we won't. Make the most of it for God's sake and give it a chance. Quit dumping on the conference. We were ranked ahead of the AAC and barely behind the MWC last year.

No one is suggesting that we should have stayed in the CAA in its current form. That would be completely unacceptable. Yes, given the circumstances at that moment in time, CUSA was the correct decision. If football never came about the current A10 would essentially be the only reasonable alternative. I believe some of the angst stems from a current lack of true regional rivals. It's a big difference when you're playing schools that have overlapping applicant pools because people will likely have connections to them. However, in the new age of nonstop realignment (and I don't think we're even close to stability in the FBS world), I guess it feels like more of an end of an era. In short, I would NOT want to be where JMU is.

When ODU was considering a move to CUSA, the ODU admin wanted JMU and Delaware to come as a package. Clearly, that didn't work out (each apparently declined). I like the eastern teams in CUSA, but it certainly will take time to become fully accustomed to our new conference members.

To summarize, you want to play in a new league / level but only with your friends from the old level because you are all in a tight compact region. But complain about not being included on a broadcast channel outside of the region.

Nothing wrong with wanting couple of rivals in the conference with in 3 to 4 hour drive and wanting more than two games nationally broadcast-ed