(06-18-2015 12:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:11 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 10:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Texas is a Tier 1 institution while TCU and SMU are Tier 2. North Texas academics is much better, but their sports suck.

Where do you get this information? TCU and SMU are better academically than UNT and most sane people realize that.

UNT is an emerging research University that lags behind Tech, UH, UT-Dallas and a few others.

Based on different groups like Carnegie, AAU and some other research for businesses, science, medical and so forth. North Texas was rated higher in areas than TCU and Baylor. In some areas, TCU and Baylor are higher. Even though they might be behind on some people, but on others, they are higher.

North Texas has areas of strength like Music and Accounting, but overall, its way behind TCU and Baylor.

(06-18-2015 12:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here's another question if the Pac16 was created, would Stanford and USC still play ND? Every year?

I think so, based upon their resistance to the proposed 9 game conference schedule so that they could continue to play ND.

I'm not so sure, and this is why I think ND could have been against the formation of the Pac16. ND could have lost the West Coast and the Big East both. That would have left them with full membership in either the B1G or ACC and no NBC.

(06-18-2015 12:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here's another question if the Pac16 was created, would Stanford and USC still play ND? Every year?

I think so, based upon their resistance to the proposed 9 game conference schedule so that they could continue to play ND.

The Pac-12 already has a 9-game conference schedule. What USC and Stanford opposed was the proposed scheduling agreement with the Big Ten that would have required each Pac-12 team to play a Big Ten team every year.

IIRC, Stanford's stated reason was that they wanted to keep their ND series. USC's was different, their point of view was that they were going to keep their ND game no matter what, and they were concerned (probably correctly) that commissioners and TV guys would decide the Pac-12/Big Ten matchups and make USC play one of the best Big Ten teams every year just to maximize TV ratings, and never give them a game against teams like Indiana.

(06-18-2015 01:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here's another question if the Pac16 was created, would Stanford and USC still play ND? Every year?

I think so, based upon their resistance to the proposed 9 game conference schedule so that they could continue to play ND.

The Pac-12 already has a 9-game conference schedule. What USC and Stanford opposed was the proposed scheduling agreement with the Big Ten that would have required each Pac-12 team to play a Big Ten team every year.

IIRC, Stanford's stated reason was that they wanted to keep their ND series. USC's was different, their point of view was that they were going to keep their ND game no matter what, and they were concerned (probably correctly) that commissioners and TV guys would decide the Pac-12/Big Ten matchups and make USC play one of the best Big Ten teams every year just to maximize TV ratings, and never give them a game against teams like Indiana.

Yep....

So USC and Stanford value the ND rivalry more than $ ?
Refreshing!

Doesn't seem any other schools felt that way.

How many ND games are on Fox?

(06-18-2015 02:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So USC and Stanford value the ND rivalry more than $ ?
Refreshing!

Doesn't seem any other schools felt that way.

How many ND games are on Fox?

1 last year, USC game... Rather forget that.

(06-18-2015 02:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 02:44 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So USC and Stanford value the ND rivalry more than $ ?
Refreshing!

Doesn't seem any other schools felt that way.

How many ND games are on Fox?

1 last year, USC game... Rather forget that.

Bingo! Fox and NBC might work great together in NASCAR, but no way does NBC work together with Fox in College football. Not with them working with ESPN and the ACC. Please see Michigan and Purdue and other B1G teams under Fox.

PAC-10 adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado and Utah to become the PAC-16.

Texas A&M and Missouri then go to SEC; Nebraska joins the B1G.

Remaining Big XII - Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State join the Big East and bring the existing basketball and BCS credits with them. TCU accepts their invitation to the Big East and this time does not go back on their word. Temple, Memphis, UMass invited to round out the teams to 16 and make the basketball-only schools happy. The now stable Big East Conference football and basketball are legit leagues given the strength of WVU, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, Baylor and TCU in football; and the additions of Temple, Memphis, UMass, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State make for arguably the most insane basketball conference in NCAA history.

The 2010-2012 Big East Conference:
Football (16): Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Temple, Memphis, UMass
Basketball (24): DePaul, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall

Since now the BE conference has become stacked with quality programs in basketball and football and added the credits from the B12, Syracuse and Pitt decide not to accept the ACC's invitation (until the next stage).

The ACC, which was unstable at the time with FSU and Clemson already unhappy, loses 2 potential members and the rumors start to swirl.

The SEC strike first and extends offers to UNC and Virginia Tech, who take the bids and expand the SEC to 16. Clemson and FSU request and receive bids to move the SEC to 18.

The B1G then extends offers to Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, and Georgia Tech and suddenly we have the Big Ten with 18 members.

Miami, NC State and Wake then join the Big East to make 18 football teams. The Big East now owns the credits of both the old Big 12 and the old ACC.

PAC (16) - Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

B1G (18) - Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech

SEC (18) - Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, UNC, Virginia Tech, FSU, Clemson

BE (26)
Football (18): Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Temple, Memphis, UMass, Miami, NC State, Wake
Basketball-only (8): DePaul, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall

a 26 team BE leads to instability, so the divorce is inevitable... a new football-playing conference won't end up named the AAC this time though.

(06-18-2015 01:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 12:10 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here's another question if the Pac16 was created, would Stanford and USC still play ND? Every year?

I think so, based upon their resistance to the proposed 9 game conference schedule so that they could continue to play ND.

The Pac-12 already has a 9-game conference schedule. What USC and Stanford opposed was the proposed scheduling agreement with the Big Ten that would have required each Pac-12 team to play a Big Ten team every year.

IIRC, Stanford's stated reason was that they wanted to keep their ND series. USC's was different, their point of view was that they were going to keep their ND game no matter what, and they were concerned (probably correctly) that commissioners and TV guys would decide the Pac-12/Big Ten matchups and make USC play one of the best Big Ten teams every year just to maximize TV ratings, and never give them a game against teams like Indiana.

My bad on the nine games but my overall point still stands.

I think that Southern Cal and Stanford would continue to play ND every year.

(06-17-2015 07:39 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Would this have been the new Big East if the Big 12 collapsed? Or would the Big East schools join the Big 12?

West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
UConn
South Florida
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Iowa St
Bayor

Am I missing anyone? This is actually a heck of a conference in both football and basketball. It was very close to happening

Add Memphis, Houston or UCF and you got a conference!

I still think something like this happens. Texahoma is going to the Pac12 eventually. The B1G and $EC will be raiding VA and NC. Count on it.

(06-19-2015 07:27 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 07:39 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Would this have been the new Big East if the Big 12 collapsed? Or would the Big East schools join the Big 12?

West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
UConn
South Florida
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Iowa St
Bayor

Am I missing anyone? This is actually a heck of a conference in both football and basketball. It was very close to happening

Add Memphis, Houston or UCF and you got a conference!

No thanks

(06-18-2015 07:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  PAC-10 adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado and Utah to become the PAC-16.

Texas A&M and Missouri then go to SEC; Nebraska joins the B1G.

Remaining Big XII - Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State join the Big East and bring the existing basketball and BCS credits with them. TCU accepts their invitation to the Big East and this time does not go back on their word. Temple, Memphis, UMass invited to round out the teams to 16 and make the basketball-only schools happy. The now stable Big East Conference football and basketball are legit leagues given the strength of WVU, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, Baylor and TCU in football; and the additions of Temple, Memphis, UMass, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State make for arguably the most insane basketball conference in NCAA history.

The 2010-2012 Big East Conference:
Football (16): Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Temple, Memphis, UMass
Basketball (24): DePaul, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall

Since now the BE conference has become stacked with quality programs in basketball and football and added the credits from the B12, Syracuse and Pitt decide not to accept the ACC's invitation (until the next stage).

The ACC, which was unstable at the time with FSU and Clemson already unhappy, loses 2 potential members and the rumors start to swirl.

The SEC strike first and extends offers to UNC and Virginia Tech, who take the bids and expand the SEC to 16. Clemson and FSU request and receive bids to move the SEC to 18.

The B1G then extends offers to Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, and Georgia Tech and suddenly we have the Big Ten with 18 members.

Miami, NC State and Wake then join the Big East to make 18 football teams. The Big East now owns the credits of both the old Big 12 and the old ACC.

PAC (16) - Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

B1G (18) - Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech

SEC (18) - Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, UNC, Virginia Tech, FSU, Clemson

BE (26)
Football (18): Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, Temple, Memphis, UMass, Miami, NC State, Wake
Basketball-only (8): DePaul, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall

a 26 team BE leads to instability, so the divorce is inevitable... a new football-playing conference won't end up named the AAC this time though.

BC and GT do NOT fit. I see Kansas joining the B1G over those two. UNC, UVA & Dook would rather stick together, along with Wake. So NC State jumps to the SEC.

Rebuilt ACC: BC, Cuse, TCU, Baylor, Duke, UNC, GT, Miami, USF, WVU, Ville, Pitt, UVA, Temple, Cincy, Wake, ISU, KSU

Big 16: KU, UNL, Iowa, Minny, Wisky, NU, IL, Purdue, IU, MSU, UM, OSU, PSU, RU, CT, UMD

SEC: VT, NC State, UF, FSU, Clem, SC, Vandy, Tenn, KY, MO, Auburn, Bama, Ga, MSU, Ole Miss, LSU, Arky, A&M

The B1G are looking to expand eastward, and aren't interested in Kansas or UConn.

In such a scenario as above where the Big East is strong, and the ACC is falling apart, then their teams most likely get picked apart instead of the Big East.

The B1G has already been considering BC, GT, Virginia, UNC, Duke, Wake and FSU. It gets the BTN into Boston, Atlanta, Virginia, NC and FL - basically gives the BTN full cable carriage from Maine down through Georgia. In the scenario where UNC, FSU, Clemson and VT have taken SEC bids already, they would likely grab BC, GT, Virginia and Duke (over Wake).

(06-19-2015 07:30 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 07:27 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 07:39 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Would this have been the new Big East if the Big 12 collapsed? Or would the Big East schools join the Big 12?

West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
UConn
South Florida
Kansas
Kansas State
TCU
Iowa St
Bayor

Am I missing anyone? This is actually a heck of a conference in both football and basketball. It was very close to happening

Add Memphis, Houston or UCF and you got a conference!

No thanks

When the B1G & $EC come to destroy your conference, you won't have a choice. Enjoy the caviar.

UT & OU to PAC 14, KU & MU to B1G, WVU to SEC,

P5 Big 12?

K-state
Ok-state
Iowa State
Tech
Baylor
TCU
New Mexico
CSU
*BYU

Tech-OK State
Baylor-TCU
KSU-ISU
CSU-NM
BYU-football only

(06-19-2015 02:40 PM)Shox Wrote:  UT & OU to PAC 14, KU & MU to B1G, WVU to SEC,

P5 Big 12?

K-state
Ok-state
Iowa State
Tech
Baylor
TCU
New Mexico
CSU
*BYU

Tech-OK State
Baylor-TCU
KSU-ISU
CSU-NM
BYU-football only

TTU and T. Boone Pickens won't let that happen.

(06-17-2015 05:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Just for fun, there is an article today in SB Nation. It is enitled:

Everything crazy that would've happened if Texas had joined the Pac-12


Note I am simply passing along for entertainment purposes, and since it fits the theme of the board. The article explains how he thinks it would have played out. Here were the net results:

Power
ACC
Divisions: **
North -Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Kansas, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
South -Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

** While all of this shuffling was going on, I inserted legislation mandating geographically sensible divisions.

Big 12, maybe?
Divisions:
East -Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Memphis, UCF, USF
West -Air Force, Boise State, BYU, Kansas State, SMU, TCU

Big Ten
Divisions:
East -Georgia Tech, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
West -Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

Pac-12
Divisions:
North/West -California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State
South/East -Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah

SEC
Divisions:
East -Florida, Georgia, Maryland, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
West -Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

Why is Louisville in your scenario? You guys weren't even wanted by the big 12 during this period. Mitch McConnell's begging didn't even get you in. Only Maryland's shocking exit to the Big got Louisville out of the AAC and you barely got in over UCONN. Moronic thread by an ESPN apologist

(06-18-2015 06:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  They add nothing but academics.

Very sad comment. True, but still sad.

(06-18-2015 06:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-18-2015 06:28 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  

(06-17-2015 09:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay, I'll challenge SBNation's view in this hypothetical situation:

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech move to the PAC. PAC's at 16 with Utah and Colorado.

A&M and Missouri still head to the SEC. Why? That's what ESPN wanted.

Maryland and Rutgers still head to the Big 10. Why? Delany still wanted into the East. Only this time before the GOR is in place Delany makes a pitch for Virginia Tech and then settles on Syracuse and a Solid Northeast.

To shore up for the Maryland loss the ACC takes Pittsburgh and West Virginia to establish a good Northern boundary. Then they finish out with Cincinnati and Louisville. Notre Dame is the one who has to alter their original plans and to establish the solid footing for the ACC they agree to all in at the end of the NBC contract.

The SEC isn't permitted to rock the ACC because the Mouse needs to keep it's property viable. But the SEC is permitted to take one. So the most contentious property gets out. Florida State finally joins the SEC and then SEC chooses between Baylor and T.C.U. for a second school from Texas. With new markets in Texas and Missouri already Florida State shores up the Sunshine state and a second Texas school (particularly one delivering more of DFW helps them consolidate their footprint and presence in the two most populous Southern states.

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech

Big 10:
Michigan State, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse
Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State
Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska

ACC:
Boston College, Connecticut, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh
Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest
Cincinnati, Louisville, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State

SEC:
Arkansas, Baylor/T.C.U., Missouri, Texas A&M
Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Tennessee
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
Auburn, Florida State, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Methinks the $EC is more strategic. Academics matter and the SEC would chose between two Major markets with AAU schools, Rice or Tulane. The SEC raises its academic profile again with one of these schools. This brings in one of these major markets and an easy travel destination for SEC alums who can never get a ticket to their sold out home games.

I could buy the notion of the Owls if A&M didn't already deliver Houston. It's DFW we want. I just don't see Tulane getting back in. They add nothing but academics.

No one program delivers the Houston market.

1. Texas
2. A&m
3. UH
4. LSU

Or we can say this...

1 from the Big12
1 from the AAC
2 from SEC

... delivers Houston market.