this year
Every Big Ten team plays at least 1 P5 opponent OOC except for Penn St(due to the probation)
Michigan has 2 plus BYU
Nebraska has Miami plus BYU
Northwestern has 2

I don't think a blanket rule is necessary. It's one thing if you're fishing for a tomato can that most of their fans couldn't locate on a map, but as mentioned, some FBS schools have longstanding relationships and rivalries with FCS schools. There's a difference between Virginia-William & Mary and Iowa-Northern Iowa, and, say, Florida State-Savannah State.

(07-31-2015 01:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  It's one thing if you're fishing for a tomato can that most of their fans couldn't locate on a map

They'll still do that. Nearly all coaches, if they control their schedules, will play the least difficult schedule they can get away with given whatever influences exist at their school. The only tweak here is that they'll be seeking more games from programs that recently joined FBS, and struggling programs like Idaho, and fewer or no games from FCS programs.

(07-31-2015 01:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this year
Every Big Ten team plays at least 1 P5 opponent OOC except for Penn St(due to the probation)
Michigan has 2 plus BYU
Nebraska has Miami plus BYU
Northwestern has 2

Iowa plays 2 P5 teams this year, Iowa St and Pitt. Not exactly powerhouses, but technically they count as P5.

On the flip side, Iowa will continue to play FCS teams in the near future at least till 2018. Iowa still has contracts with NDSU in 2016 and UNI in 2018. Neither are pushovers, but technically they are FCS.

(07-31-2015 02:55 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 01:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this year
Every Big Ten team plays at least 1 P5 opponent OOC except for Penn St(due to the probation)
Michigan has 2 plus BYU
Nebraska has Miami plus BYU
Northwestern has 2

Iowa plays 2 P5 teams this year, Iowa St and Pitt. Not exactly powerhouses, but technically they count as P5.

On the flip side, Iowa will continue to play FCS teams in the near future at least till 2018. Iowa still has contracts with NDSU in 2016 and UNI in 2018. Neither are pushovers, but technically they are FCS.

true.

This just shows even this year why Baylor pretty much has no shot against a Big Ten team unless they win out.....

Baylor would have 9 P5 games.

Big Ten champ would have at least 10 P5 games this year even- every one of them except for Penn St.

(07-31-2015 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum ELEVEN p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

Fixed it for you. You forgot the title game.

9 league games
At least 1 intersectional P5 game
1 title game vs Big 10 foe

No, a team could have 9 league games, BYU, and title game. So that would be 10 p5 games plus BYU.

If that's what you meant, your original post was poorly written.

The Big 10 champ will clearly have 11 P5-level games assuming, as the Big 10 has stated, that BYU and ND are P5-level.

And really, how often has BYU ever finished outside the Top 65?

According to the Massey Composite, BYU has been Top 65 or better eleven straight years, and 17 of the last 19 years.

(07-31-2015 03:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 02:55 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 01:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this year
Every Big Ten team plays at least 1 P5 opponent OOC except for Penn St(due to the probation)
Michigan has 2 plus BYU
Nebraska has Miami plus BYU
Northwestern has 2

Iowa plays 2 P5 teams this year, Iowa St and Pitt. Not exactly powerhouses, but technically they count as P5.

On the flip side, Iowa will continue to play FCS teams in the near future at least till 2018. Iowa still has contracts with NDSU in 2016 and UNI in 2018. Neither are pushovers, but technically they are FCS.

true.

This just shows even this year why Baylor pretty much has no shot against a Big Ten team unless they win out.....

Baylor would have 9 P5 games.

Big Ten champ would have at least 10 P5 games this year even- every one of them except for Penn St.

assuming each champion has an equal number of losses, thats probably true. but a 12-0 Baylor would get in.

(07-31-2015 03:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:29 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote:  so with that- Big Ten champion would have bare minimum ELEVEN p5 games plus BYU- compared to 9 P5 games for Big 12 champion.

Fixed it for you. You forgot the title game.

9 league games
At least 1 intersectional P5 game
1 title game vs Big 10 foe

No, a team could have 9 league games, BYU, and title game. So that would be 10 p5 games plus BYU.

If that's what you meant, your original post was poorly written.

The Big 10 champ will clearly have 11 P5-level games assuming, as the Big 10 has stated, that BYU and ND are P5-level.

And really, how often has BYU ever finished outside the Top 65?

According to the Massey Composite, BYU has been Top 65 or better eleven straight years, and 17 of the last 19 years.

That's assuming the CFP committee views BYU as being P5 level. That's the thing, we do not know how they view them....

Worst case scenario, Big Ten champ next year would have 10 true P5 games plus BYU. That's still really good.

I don't think it is the FCS games that are the weakness...

Indiana 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...a-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Ball State
Wake Forest

Indiana 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...a-hoosiers.php
Virginia
Florida International
UMass

Indiana 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...a-hoosiers.php
Florida International
Virginia
Ball State

Indiana 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...a-hoosiers.php
Ball State
Western Kentucky
UMass

Indiana 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...a-hoosiers.php
Western Kentucky
Ball State
UConn

2017 Iowa Hawkeyes OOC opponents;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2...l-schedule.php
Wyoming
@ Iowa State
North Texas

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-16/2...l-schedule.php
LSU (great opponent)
Akron
Georgia State

Wisconsin 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2...l-schedule.php
Utah State
Florida Atlantic
USF

Illinois 2017;
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-17/2...l...ni.phpBall State
USF
Western Kentucky

Illinois 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...ing-illini.php
Ball State
Western Illinois
USF

Illinois 2019
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...ing-illini.php
@ Uconn
Eastern Michigan

Illinois 2020
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...ing-illini.php
Florida Atlantic
UConn

Minnesota 2016
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...en-gophers.php
Oregon State
Indiana State
Colorado State

Minnesota 2017
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-...en-gophers.php
Buffalo
Oregon State
Middle Tennessee

Minnesota 2018
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2...l-schedule.php
New Mexico State
Fresno State
Miami (OH)

of all that you posted- only 10 have all 3 games set- and I'm not including the Wisconsin one next year- you aren't going to find many OOC schedules better than that.

and look- of the 10 that are like that- Minnesota with 3 and Indiana with 5. Iowa and Illinois with 1 each. So the other 10 all are good. And that 10 includes all the power programs in the Big Ten.

(07-31-2015 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The Big 10 champ will clearly have 11 P5-level games assuming, as the Big 10 has stated, that BYU and ND are P5-level.

And really, how often has BYU ever finished outside the Top 65?

According to the Massey Composite, BYU has been Top 65 or better eleven straight years, and 17 of the last 19 years.

That's assuming the CFP committee views BYU as being P5 level. That's the thing, we do not know how they view them....

So you are saying that the CFP committee might look at a 2014 win over Kansas, Indiana, Syracuse, Vandy, Wake, etc. more favorably than a 2014 win over BYU? Because those schools are P5 in-fact? Never mind that BYU beat the crap out of Texas? Never mind the fact that BYU is almost always a tough out?

Get real.

(07-31-2015 03:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The Big 10 champ will clearly have 11 P5-level games assuming, as the Big 10 has stated, that BYU and ND are P5-level.

And really, how often has BYU ever finished outside the Top 65?

According to the Massey Composite, BYU has been Top 65 or better eleven straight years, and 17 of the last 19 years.

That's assuming the CFP committee views BYU as being P5 level. That's the thing, we do not know how they view them....

So you are saying that the CFP committee might look at a 2014 win over Kansas, Indiana, Syracuse, Vandy, Wake, etc. more favorably than a 2014 win over BYU? Because those schools are P5 in-fact? Never mind that BYU beat the crap out of Texas? Never mind the fact that BYU is almost always a tough out?

Get real.

It'll depend on the year.

Last year here is who BYU beat.
UConn 2-10
Texas 6-7
Houston 8-5
Virginia 5-7
Mid Tennessee 6-6
UNLV 2-11
Savannah St FCS
Cal 5-7

That's it. all of 2 bowl teams.

I'm sorry- but until BYU's schedule gets upgraded, they aren't going to be viewed by the committee as being a true P5 program.

Your point on ranks.
Boise St. They've been in the top 65 for 16 straight years. Ole Miss beating Boise last year meant a lot more in things than anyone beating BYU.

its the individual teams that matter. Ole Miss last year playing Boise and Memphis OOC was a lot better than a lot of schools who played a P5 team OOC.

(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:18 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Why didn't the Big Ten stop scheduling FCS schools years ago?

Who cares? They're doing it now, I applaud them for doing so.

I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Wouldn't it have been great it they had never done it or stopped doing it a decade or two ago, though?

You are wrong, and uninformed on this issue.

First, Notre Dame is a member of the ACC. Instead of ragging on the Big Ten, how about ragging on your current / future conference home?

Second, now that you're a member of the ACC, time to learn some ACC history, and the ACC association with FCS schools in the area, instead of coming across as a stereotypical Domer where everything is about Notre Dame.

Third, my school traditionally plays an ACC school because of longer and more traditional ties to traditional ACC schools than Notre Dame will ever have.

Fourth, I reject your point of view that would have ACC schools stop playing FCS schools like my school. There is some local loyalty involved; everything is not for the sole purpose of national championships and the glory of the Golden Dome.

Fifth, I get that ND plays a tough schedule. I get that ND does not play FCS schools. Bully for ND.

Sixth, I would never tell ND to stop playing Navy. I get the loyalty there.

Finally, the last time my FCS school played Navy, Navy came out on the short end.

In sum, from my point of view, there's no difference in W&M playing at an ACC school, or Nova playing at Syracuse, or Richmond at Duke, or JMU at VPI ... compared to Navy playing at Notre Dame. All of these FCS schools have won at ACC schools (Nova should have), just like Navy has won at ND.

(07-31-2015 03:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 03:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  So you are saying that the CFP committee might look at a 2014 win over Kansas, Indiana, Syracuse, Vandy, Wake, etc. more favorably than a 2014 win over BYU? Because those schools are P5 in-fact? Never mind that BYU beat the crap out of Texas? Never mind the fact that BYU is almost always a tough out?

Get real.

It'll depend on the year.

Last year here is who BYU beat.
UConn 2-10
Texas 6-7
Houston 8-5
Virginia 5-7
Mid Tennessee 6-6
UNLV 2-11
Savannah St FCS
Cal 5-7

That's it. all of 2 bowl teams.

I'm sorry- but until BYU's schedule gets upgraded, they aren't going to be viewed by the committee as being a true P5 program.

Your point on ranks.
Boise St. They've been in the top 65 for 16 straight years. Ole Miss beating Boise last year meant a lot more in things than anyone beating BYU.

its the individual teams that matter. Ole Miss last year playing Boise and Memphis OOC was a lot better than a lot of schools who played a P5 team OOC.

You're right that it depends, but you're kind of making his point for him. BYU beat all three P5 teams on its schedule and lost to decent G5 opponents.

The selection committee is not basing its decisions entirely on "P5" versus "G5" win statistics. A victory over 9-win Cincinnati or Memphis is much better than a victory over 2-win Kansas.

Btw, all three of BYU's P5 opponents would have been bowl eligible if they had replaced BYU with a lower-level opponent.

The real question is when will the BigTen go to 10 conference games. They have announced a schedule through 2019, so maybe that means they will go 10 games in 2020

(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Does any FBS school play a school from a completely different division?

However, it is true that a P5 school playing an FCS school is playing a school two steps below it, and that ought to be put to a stop. P5 schools should leave the FCS exemption for the Go5 schools.

(07-31-2015 04:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  The real question is when will the BigTen go to 10 conference games. They have announced a schedule through 2019, so maybe that means they will go 10 games in 2020

You can stop stirring, the answer is never. 9 conference games, plus one H/H P5 OOC is 5 P5 home games a year, plus 2 Go5 buy games is 7 home games a year. Step up to 10 conference games, plus one H/H OOC, that is 7 home games one year, 6 home games the other year.

(07-31-2015 04:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Btw, all three of BYU's P5 opponents would have been bowl eligible if they had replaced BYU with a lower-level opponent.

"Knocked three P5 schools out of bowl games". Man, you should be in PR ... or else play cricket, as that is quite superior spin.

(07-31-2015 04:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I applaud it too. No FBS school should play teams from a completely different division.

Does any FBS school play a school from a completely different division?

However, it is true that a P5 school playing an FCS school is playing a school two steps below it, and that ought to be put to a stop. P5 schools should leave the FCS exemption for the Go5 schools.

No, FCS is one step below FBS. All FBS have the same scholarship limits.

(07-31-2015 04:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 04:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Btw, all three of BYU's P5 opponents would have been bowl eligible if they had replaced BYU with a lower-level opponent.

"Knocked three P5 schools out of bowl games". Man, you should be in PR ... or else play cricket, as that is quite superior spin.

To be fair he makes a good point. While it's not always feasible to do so (it takes time to calculate), I do feel SOS should be evaluated without regard to the game played against the team in question. Otherwise you hurt your own SOS by winning, and help it by losing.

It would be nice for Rutgers to get a waiver from the B1G/NCAA and play Princeton in 2019 for the 150th Anniversary

(07-31-2015 04:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2015 04:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Btw, all three of BYU's P5 opponents would have been bowl eligible if they had replaced BYU with a lower-level opponent.

"Knocked three P5 schools out of bowl games". Man, you should be in PR ... or else play cricket, as that is quite superior spin.

That's not quite what I said, but I will state that California and Virginia likely would have gone bowling if they scheduled OOC like the SEC.

FWIW -

Texas did play in a bowl game.

California was 5-6 and literally playing for bowl eligibility when hosting BYU in Berkeley over Thanksgiving weekend.

Virginia was 2-1, coming off a win over Louisville when they came to Provo. The Wahoos' 1-5 record to finish the season was their undoing (granted they played at Virginia Tech, at Georgia Tech, and at Florida St. in November...)