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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-09-2015 11:28 AM)General Mike Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 11:24 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  I don't necessarily disagree with you. Personally, I'd love to see KU and OU in the B1G. I used to watch the Oklahoma - Nebraska game sometimes because I loved the pageantry and rivalry. Adding KU for basketball would be outstanding.

However, by taking those two schools the B1G would essentially concede that either east coast expansion will not likely occur or that the B1G is willing to go past 16 teams. I still think the B1G wants to have a little 'dry powder' for expansion when the ACC GOR nears expiration. I don't think 16 is the max, based on Delaney's statements, but if it is then maybe the B1G waits.

Based on the current scuttlebutt, the next phase of realignment will probably happen in stages, with the Big 12 breaking up first. As a college football fan, I'd like to see 4 relatively balanced conferences, with the conference champs going to the playoffs. So for me, KU and OU to the B1G, and Texas to the ACC as a quasi-independent like ND would be just fine.

If that happens, the Big 12 either disbands or adds second tier teams and clearly drops a notch below P4. That virtually assures the ACC will survive and if the ACC survives, UVA, UNC and Duke will stay in it.

However, I could see ESPN putting some pressure on the ACC to diminish the overlaps in Virginia and North Carolina, in part because both the SEC and B1G covet those media markets. Virginia Tech and NC State would be the candidates to move to another conference - maybe the SEC, maybe B1G or maybe split them - VT to B1G, NC St. to SEC - and have them each pick up a former Big 12 member as the second expansion team.

That approach allows the ACC to can expand into new territories like NYC by picking up UConn and Ohio by taking Cincinnati. It also leaves room to add ND and Texas full-time, if they will do it - and at that point they may have no choice. The SEC and B1G will not allow them to be partial members and if forced to choose, both ND and Texas at that point would pick the ACC.

The result is four relatively competitive conferences, each with a few blue blood programs and a cadre of good schools to back them up.

And just who are you adding to the Pac-12 that have value out west? The Big 12's misfit toys?

Either way, the club is basically going to remain the same. In 1998 when the 6 major conferences of the time started the BCS, there were 63 teams from those conferences that got big boy seats. At the start of the Playoff you have 65 schools with big boy seats. The only team kicked out of the club was Temple/ UConn (depending on how you want to look at things).

The PAC will be OK as is if that's the way it winds up. USC, Stanford and UCLA are top programs. Oregon, Washington and Cal have all been good to great at times. They may wind up as the weakest conference, but still not bad at all.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
(08-09-2015 03:43 PM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-09-2015 11:28 AM)General Mike Wrote:  
(08-08-2015 11:24 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  I don't necessarily disagree with you. Personally, I'd love to see KU and OU in the B1G. I used to watch the Oklahoma - Nebraska game sometimes because I loved the pageantry and rivalry. Adding KU for basketball would be outstanding.

However, by taking those two schools the B1G would essentially concede that either east coast expansion will not likely occur or that the B1G is willing to go past 16 teams. I still think the B1G wants to have a little 'dry powder' for expansion when the ACC GOR nears expiration. I don't think 16 is the max, based on Delaney's statements, but if it is then maybe the B1G waits.

Based on the current scuttlebutt, the next phase of realignment will probably happen in stages, with the Big 12 breaking up first. As a college football fan, I'd like to see 4 relatively balanced conferences, with the conference champs going to the playoffs. So for me, KU and OU to the B1G, and Texas to the ACC as a quasi-independent like ND would be just fine.

If that happens, the Big 12 either disbands or adds second tier teams and clearly drops a notch below P4. That virtually assures the ACC will survive and if the ACC survives, UVA, UNC and Duke will stay in it.

However, I could see ESPN putting some pressure on the ACC to diminish the overlaps in Virginia and North Carolina, in part because both the SEC and B1G covet those media markets. Virginia Tech and NC State would be the candidates to move to another conference - maybe the SEC, maybe B1G or maybe split them - VT to B1G, NC St. to SEC - and have them each pick up a former Big 12 member as the second expansion team.

That approach allows the ACC to can expand into new territories like NYC by picking up UConn and Ohio by taking Cincinnati. It also leaves room to add ND and Texas full-time, if they will do it - and at that point they may have no choice. The SEC and B1G will not allow them to be partial members and if forced to choose, both ND and Texas at that point would pick the ACC.

The result is four relatively competitive conferences, each with a few blue blood programs and a cadre of good schools to back them up.

And just who are you adding to the Pac-12 that have value out west? The Big 12's misfit toys?

Either way, the club is basically going to remain the same. In 1998 when the 6 major conferences of the time started the BCS, there were 63 teams from those conferences that got big boy seats. At the start of the Playoff you have 65 schools with big boy seats. The only team kicked out of the club was Temple/ UConn (depending on how you want to look at things).

The PAC will be OK as is if that's the way it winds up. USC, Stanford and UCLA are top programs. Oregon, Washington and Cal have all been good to great at times. They may wind up as the weakest conference, but still not bad at all.

Your math does not add up. The PAC is currently considered the second strongest conference across the board because of how it's mid tier programs have raised their game. You want to talk about adding some of the "lesser" programs of the big 12 and it being a weakening?

TCU is topping the list as someone that gets sent West due to them already being familiar out there, great past rivalry with Utah. They also have the least amount of history and influence within the big 12, maybe second to WVU in that regard. You take TCU and TTU from Texas and that is not a weakening. You take Kansas State, which is still playing strong with Snyder there, and that is not a weakening. You take ISU which initially looks like a weakening but they have become known for making great games. Just ask Oklahoma State if anyone should look past the Cyclones.

This concept doesn't weaken the PAC. It's just people showing they cannot adapt to change when the situation changes. I have listed plenty of times actual benefits the PAC will gain from these schools, benefits that do not exist for the other three major conferences in contention. You can make some arguments against them but saying they weaken the conference is silly.

They give everyone a game against a Texas school every single year. They give everyone a guaranteed visit into Texas every other year.

Maybe you East Coast guys just cant get this, but my Rutgers friend, lets not get into a school weakening the conference slate of it's new conference ok? Strong programs can be built, proper geography and market location cannot be built.

Four locations in the Central Time Zone for those big name PAC programs to be showcased during the initial kick off every Saturday. Strong insertion into the two biggest States for garnering FBS quality football recruits.

This is a no brainer. All that is necessary is the Networks willing to pay the PAC for this expansion. Sure, the PAC can play up the fact that these weren't their first choices, they can play it up all the way to the bank.

Without taking this opportunity though, they will be much worse off in a decade when it comes to leverage and negotiating position.
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RE: Does any school get B1G invite without AAU status?
I like to look at it a slightly different way....what are each conferences options.

B1G: Can go South or East. Big 12 jewels or potentially ACC raid. Plenty of options, although limited by academic standings.

SEC: Options everywhere. Any team outside the B1G is fair game. North. West. East. Possibilities to add are endless.

ACC: Pretty limited. Not stealing from SEC or B1G. Pretty much leaves either a Big 12/Texas independence thing. Or old Big East schools. Or G5 schools.

Pac: Big 12 or G5 schools. If they don't get Oklahoma/Texas, are they going to settle for lesser teams, both athletically and academically? Do they even want to stretch 3 timezones?

Big 12: G5 schools. Not stealing from any P5 conference.
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Here is the deal 5th. The Big Ten is basically negotiating for everyone. This is the last window, the last opportunity. This is going to require a lot of cooperation across the board. What that means though is much more equal money. So that means there is a big problem when all the talk is that The Big Ten is going to land somewhere in the 40-45 million range.

IF they land that AND the Networks want the Big Plan to happen then they are going to have to raise the payouts for the other conferences as well. So why would the PAC take the "leftovers"? Because this is their only shot to get equal pay to what The Big Ten is about to get.

The same goes for the others. If they don't then The Big Ten gets their renegotiations and things start to fall apart for some others and the big bad Big Ten sits back and waits for certain entities to approach them again.

No one else wants that to happen and it Will happen if nothing major happens during this window.
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(08-10-2015 06:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Here is the deal 5th. The Big Ten is basically negotiating for everyone. This is the last window, the last opportunity. This is going to require a lot of cooperation across the board. What that means though is much more equal money. So that means there is a big problem when all the talk is that The Big Ten is going to land somewhere in the 40-45 million range.

IF they land that AND the Networks want the Big Plan to happen then they are going to have to raise the payouts for the other conferences as well. So why would the PAC take the "leftovers"? Because this is their only shot to get equal pay to what The Big Ten is about to get.

The same goes for the others. If they don't then The Big Ten gets their renegotiations and things start to fall apart for some others and the big bad Big Ten sits back and waits for certain entities to approach them again.

No one else wants that to happen and it Will happen if nothing major happens during this window.

I think the B1G will get to that range, but I don't see a drastic raise in payouts for the other conferences.

ESPN and Fox are still for-profit enterprises and they won't put massive money on the table for anyone unless they think they can still make a profit after paying. Paying conferences to take teams they don't want seems like a losing proposition.

If there's a pot of money out there now, it's the Big 12 conference media deal. Blow up the conference, and ESPN and Fox have some cash to spread around. Moving KU, OU and Texas into other conferences makes the conferences more valuable, but moving KSU, ISU or OSU would weaken any other P4 conference they joined. Maybe the PAC takes a couple of the leftovers, and the networks increase their PAC deals proportionately (even though none of them merit a proportional increase), but that seems short-sighted. That just gives the conference another mouth to feed - and one that can't pay for its own supper.

Pushing the leftovers into a second tier conference, even if its a second tier conference formed by the leftovers by adding a few others, seems to be a better result. ESPN and Fox can give the new second tier conference a media deal worth far less than the Big 12 deal and do a one time cash payment to the leftovers to entice them to let the Big 12 die. I still tend to think there's a back door way out of the GOR, so maybe no extra payment will be needed.
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Pardon me if I get a little cross because it seems like I have the same conversation over and over but I understand that folks havnt read everything that has already been discussed.

You mention where does the money come from to make such a pay increase for the PAC despite getting "lesser brands"? Well, for one, the PAC agrees to sell 49% the PAC Network at a very fair price to Fox. That in itself is worth it to Fox if the PAC ends up with two programs in Texas, including a quick rising TCU program in DFW.

You don't seem yet able to understand just how huge in terms of money interest it is for the PAC to increase it's potential time slot filling capability by 90 time slots. To understand where that comes from, it comes from the PAC having TV deals that get it on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, Fox, Fox1 and the PAC Network. That is six times 15 which you get from 15 weeks of games. That potential alone is deserving of a major pay increase. That is why the likes of Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech and TCU are worth more to the PAC than they are to any of the other major conferences. That is why the Networks will pay them for it.

Also, you have to understand the concept of opportunity cost. IF the Networks do not give the PAC a large pay increase to take those schools then none of this happens and we have 10 years of opportunity cost to the Networks.

The conference championship game got the PAC a 20 million dollar pay day for 12 schools. That is 1.67 million per school at 12 schools. For them to move to 16 teams and be able to start up their own four team conference tournament in football, that would land them roughly 15 million per semifinal game for a total of 30 million dollars. You split 30 million by 16 and you have 1.88 million dollars per team in pay out. That is a bigger payout than the conference championships were AND it is paid out to 16 teams, not just 12.

This isn't rocket science. It's basic math.
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(08-10-2015 10:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Pardon me if I get a little cross because it seems like I have the same conversation over and over but I understand that folks havnt read everything that has already been discussed.

You mention where does the money come from to make such a pay increase for the PAC despite getting "lesser brands"? Well, for one, the PAC agrees to sell 49% the PAC Network at a very fair price to Fox. That in itself is worth it to Fox if the PAC ends up with two programs in Texas, including a quick rising TCU program in DFW.

You don't seem yet able to understand just how huge in terms of money interest it is for the PAC to increase it's potential time slot filling capability by 90 time slots. To understand where that comes from, it comes from the PAC having TV deals that get it on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, Fox, Fox1 and the PAC Network. That is six times 15 which you get from 15 weeks of games. That potential alone is deserving of a major pay increase. That is why the likes of Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech and TCU are worth more to the PAC than they are to any of the other major conferences. That is why the Networks will pay them for it.

Also, you have to understand the concept of opportunity cost. IF the Networks do not give the PAC a large pay increase to take those schools then none of this happens and we have 10 years of opportunity cost to the Networks.

The conference championship game got the PAC a 20 million dollar pay day for 12 schools. That is 1.67 million per school at 12 schools. For them to move to 16 teams and be able to start up their own four team conference tournament in football, that would land them roughly 15 million per semifinal game for a total of 30 million dollars. You split 30 million by 16 and you have 1.88 million dollars per team in pay out. That is a bigger payout than the conference championships were AND it is paid out to 16 teams, not just 12.

This isn't rocket science. It's basic math.

I'd be very surprised if we ever see a conference football tournament. I just don't see it happening.

As for all the TCU talk, what are they without a successful football program. Certainly not Top 3 in the state. No other sports success. No real academic cred. Not a huge private school. If the Pac is FORCED to expand, which I seriously doubt, wouldn't they take a Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, or KState way before TCU?

I just don't see TCU as a valuable asset to any conference, outside of getting into Texas, which they could do with other programs.

As for the Pac in general, they will always get less money than the other P4/5 conferences. They lack competition, and thus have no leverage. The other 3 main players are competing for schools all the time, as well as money, and time slots for visibility. The Pac is an island, a niche if you will.
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(08-10-2015 10:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Pardon me if I get a little cross because it seems like I have the same conversation over and over but I understand that folks havnt read everything that has already been discussed.

You mention where does the money come from to make such a pay increase for the PAC despite getting "lesser brands"? Well, for one, the PAC agrees to sell 49% the PAC Network at a very fair price to Fox. That in itself is worth it to Fox if the PAC ends up with two programs in Texas, including a quick rising TCU program in DFW.

You don't seem yet able to understand just how huge in terms of money interest it is for the PAC to increase it's potential time slot filling capability by 90 time slots. To understand where that comes from, it comes from the PAC having TV deals that get it on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, Fox, Fox1 and the PAC Network. That is six times 15 which you get from 15 weeks of games. That potential alone is deserving of a major pay increase. That is why the likes of Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech and TCU are worth more to the PAC than they are to any of the other major conferences. That is why the Networks will pay them for it.

Also, you have to understand the concept of opportunity cost. IF the Networks do not give the PAC a large pay increase to take those schools then none of this happens and we have 10 years of opportunity cost to the Networks.

The conference championship game got the PAC a 20 million dollar pay day for 12 schools. That is 1.67 million per school at 12 schools. For them to move to 16 teams and be able to start up their own four team conference tournament in football, that would land them roughly 15 million per semifinal game for a total of 30 million dollars. You split 30 million by 16 and you have 1.88 million dollars per team in pay out. That is a bigger payout than the conference championships were AND it is paid out to 16 teams, not just 12.

This isn't rocket science. It's basic math.

You haven't been cross at all. You've actually been remarkably restrained. Behavior like that may get you reinstated on Landthieves.

I understand your points, I just tend to discount predictions of how much money would be generated.

Having Fox/ESPN as a PACn partner, with a buy-in of a significant ownership interest, would definitely help the PACn broaden coverage and command higher prices. But a buy-in takes capital and ESPN has a fair amount of that tied up in launching the SECn right now and will need additional capital to launch an ACCn. ESPN may be tapped out. Fox might be the logical choice, particularly if they see ESPN as vulnerable now. Rupert Murdoch has always been willing to throw money around, so if the PAC is to get a partner, I think Fox will be it. Without ESPN to seriously bid up the price, though, Fox may get a bargain and the PAC not get much up front.

I don't think that adding 4-6 teams in a different time zone will result in enormous profits for the PACn. One reason the BTN has been so successful is that the B1G expansion (i) added a team that completely dominates its state (Nebraska) and (ii) added teams in regions full of B1G alumni (NY, NJ, MD) that supplement the fan base of Rutgers and Maryland. That helps the B1G obtain better pricing for BTN coverage.

None of the potential schools to be added to the PAC dominate their state. They are the little brother/lesser teams and that will make it more difficult to demand premium prices. Likewise, PAC alumni have not relocated in large numbers to Kansas, Oklahoma and Iowa. The PAC will need to rely primarily on the fanbase of the schools being added to generate interest for the PAC, but the schools are primarily regional with smaller fanbases. If the PAC pays the new plains schools the same as USC and other members, I just don't see those teams carrying their own weight. Adding conference semi-final games will certainly help, but the fundamental problems associated with adding small market teams remain.

I'd like to see teams like OSU, KSU and ISU be in one of the final P4 conferences because I think they deserve it. The PAC may well go down the path you lay out just because they need to expand and create new potential revenue sources. But economically it's at best a wash and more likely a losing proposition for whatever network supports it.
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Having the likes of Kansas State, Iowa State and Texas Tech isn't about those teams, it is about when other programs of the PAC come there for a noon kick off and can for the first time be presented at that time slot. It allows the PAC to compete on even terms against the other conferences in regards to presenting themselves for the ultimate election in college sports, the CFP. Popular opinion inevitably plays a big part in what teams are selected. Yes, that affects perception and perception affects money. They will get paid for upgrading their conference to equal standing in comparison to the other conferences.

In regards to Landthieves, the ban ends in two days but that doesn't mean I will return right away. I am supposed to but this ban was simply a nice vacation for me. I seem to be having a bigger affect with my absence. Some new voices arrived upon my departure. Of course...every single one of them is a sock puppet according to some of those "geniuses" that populate that board. They can all think the same damn thing but it is ridiculous to think that more than one person from the North could hold similar views to me. They aren't the brightest bunch over there.
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Is a 15 team conference feasible, 3x5? That would allow for a 4 team CC with a wildcard. Add Kansas to the B1G, WV to the SEC & Oklahoma, Okl St & TT to the PAC. The ACC would be the oddball with Texas & ND all in & split into 2x8 with 2 wildcards. ESPN & Fox split Texas & Oklahoma while the PAC adds valuable content & the central time zone. The SEC adds a solid football program & a new market. The B1G gets an AAU member & a basketball blue blood to add to their western division. Switching Oklahoma & Kansas could work as well but that separates them from Okie St.
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(08-13-2015 07:23 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Is a 15 team conference feasible, 3x5? That would allow for a 4 team CC with a wildcard. Add Kansas to the B1G, WV to the SEC & Oklahoma, Okl St & TT to the PAC. The ACC would be the oddball with Texas & ND all in & split into 2x8 with 2 wildcards. ESPN & Fox split Texas & Oklahoma while the PAC adds valuable content & the central time zone. The SEC adds a solid football program & a new market. The B1G gets an AAU member & a basketball blue blood to add to their western division. Switching Oklahoma & Kansas could work as well but that separates them from Okie St.

I think 15 teams leads to some odd scheduling problems. With an uneven number of teams, one team either has a bye or an OOC game each week. That's probably OK for the first half, maybe, of the season but later on in the season teams want to play conference match-ups. The B1G played with 11 teams for many years after adding Penn State, so it can be done. 14 or 16 would work much better.
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(08-14-2015 12:26 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 07:23 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Is a 15 team conference feasible, 3x5? That would allow for a 4 team CC with a wildcard. Add Kansas to the B1G, WV to the SEC & Oklahoma, Okl St & TT to the PAC. The ACC would be the oddball with Texas & ND all in & split into 2x8 with 2 wildcards. ESPN & Fox split Texas & Oklahoma while the PAC adds valuable content & the central time zone. The SEC adds a solid football program & a new market. The B1G gets an AAU member & a basketball blue blood to add to their western division. Switching Oklahoma & Kansas could work as well but that separates them from Okie St.

I think 15 teams leads to some odd scheduling problems. With an uneven number of teams, one team either has a bye or an OOC game each week. That's probably OK for the first half, maybe, of the season but later on in the season teams want to play conference match-ups. The B1G played with 11 teams for many years after adding Penn State, so it can be done. 14 or 16 would work much better.

The scheduling would be a bit of a problem but could be worked out creatively with rivals. Oklahoma v Texas, Kansas v Missouri or have B1G v PAC & SEC v ACC weeks. This would be an exciting solution for the end of the season.
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The key to the PAC taking the little brothers is exposure. Big time college athletics when it comes down to it is all about getting the university's name out there to potential students and keeping it on the minds of their alums. Exposure. It's one of the reasons that even though most schools lose money on sports, they have no intention of cutting back because in the end sports is a marketing expense. The PAC lacks exposure compared to the other P5 because their late games can't draw EST viewers. By moving into the CST and getting earlier time slots they can play games from 11am/noon to midnight EST and reap the extra exposure those earlier games will offer by being seen by more people in the eastern half of the country. As mentioned by H1, the networks will have more slots to show the PAC on and will pay extra for that additional content filler for that 12 hour block of time no other conference can offer as well.

Additionally, the PAC with TX schools and exposure will recruit very well there. If you remove A&M from the equation the SEC and PAC roughly take the same number of recruits out of TX (though the SEC gets higher rated ones generally). The PAC is doing that with no current presence in TX. Being in both TX and CA would match the SEC being in TX and FL as far a having a presence in 2 huge hotbeds. They would upgrade their talent, especially for their middle and weaker schools, in that scenario.

The PAC will move into TX eventually. Too much growth, money, exposure, and population in Texas to ignore it. They would love to land UT, but even without the Longhorns they will move into TX with lesser schools if that is required.
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(08-11-2015 10:40 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  I'd be very surprised if we ever see a conference football tournament. I just don't see it happening.

I will actually be surprised if the CFP grows to 8 before the major conferences implement a tournament. Delany, Sankey, and Scott will not easily share the exposure and $$$ that could be had from conference tournaments with the rest of the college football world.

In an 8-team CFP, you have the possibility of the other conferences or, heaven forbid, a G5 team knock one of your teams out...plus you have to share the money from the First Round, even with the G5.

In a 4-team CCT scenario, you ensure that FOUR of your schools are in the limelight and your conference keeps ALL the $$$.
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(08-14-2015 12:26 AM)CintiFan Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 07:23 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Is a 15 team conference feasible, 3x5? That would allow for a 4 team CC with a wildcard. Add Kansas to the B1G, WV to the SEC & Oklahoma, Okl St & TT to the PAC. The ACC would be the oddball with Texas & ND all in & split into 2x8 with 2 wildcards. ESPN & Fox split Texas & Oklahoma while the PAC adds valuable content & the central time zone. The SEC adds a solid football program & a new market. The B1G gets an AAU member & a basketball blue blood to add to their western division. Switching Oklahoma & Kansas could work as well but that separates them from Okie St.

I think 15 teams leads to some odd scheduling problems. With an uneven number of teams, one team either has a bye or an OOC game each week. That's probably OK for the first half, maybe, of the season but later on in the season teams want to play conference match-ups. The B1G played with 11 teams for many years after adding Penn State, so it can be done. 14 or 16 would work much better.

If Texas, Notre Dame, and BYU are independents, there is room for quality OOC games to fill late-season holes created by the uneven numbers.
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(09-16-2015 12:45 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  The key to the PAC taking the little brothers is exposure. Big time college athletics when it comes down to it is all about getting the university's name out there to potential students and keeping it on the minds of their alums. Exposure. It's one of the reasons that even though most schools lose money on sports, they have no intention of cutting back because in the end sports is a marketing expense. The PAC lacks exposure compared to the other P5 because their late games can't draw EST viewers. By moving into the CST and getting earlier time slots they can play games from 11am/noon to midnight EST and reap the extra exposure those earlier games will offer by being seen by more people in the eastern half of the country. As mentioned by H1, the networks will have more slots to show the PAC on and will pay extra for that additional content filler for that 12 hour block of time no other conference can offer as well.

Additionally, the PAC with TX schools and exposure will recruit very well there. If you remove A&M from the equation the SEC and PAC roughly take the same number of recruits out of TX (though the SEC gets higher rated ones generally). The PAC is doing that with no current presence in TX. Being in both TX and CA would match the SEC being in TX and FL as far a having a presence in 2 huge hotbeds. They would upgrade their talent, especially for their middle and weaker schools, in that scenario.

The PAC will move into TX eventually. Too much growth, money, exposure, and population in Texas to ignore it. They would love to land UT, but even without the Longhorns they will move into TX with lesser schools if that is required.

The current PAC 12 members won't easily give up their games in California. So, the least disruptive eastward expansion would be a new 6-team East division. A nice 5-2-2 scheduling formula that ensures current PAC members an annual game in California and that fits in nicely with the Conference Championship Tournament idea.

If UT and OU aren't available, there will still likely be plenty of PAC options from which to choose - including Oklahoma St., Kansas St., Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa St., and even Houston (huge university in huge DMA), Rice and Tulane (excellent AAU academics) if some find other landing spots.
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(09-17-2015 06:38 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-11-2015 10:40 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  I'd be very surprised if we ever see a conference football tournament. I just don't see it happening.

I will actually be surprised if the CFP grows to 8 before the major conferences implement a tournament. Delany, Sankey, and Scott will not easily share the exposure and $$$ that could be had from conference tournaments with the rest of the college football world.

In an 8-team CFP, you have the possibility of the other conferences or, heaven forbid, a G5 team knock one of your teams out...plus you have to share the money from the First Round, even with the G5.

In a 4-team CCT scenario, you ensure that FOUR of your schools are in the limelight and your conference keeps ALL the $$$.

Or you can mix the two. You are right on the money with your comments about the conference tournaments. You are right about the 8 team CFP as well. The happy middle ground is a six team CFP. There is a definite push to expand it, it will eventually happen but only after the major players get what they want first.
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